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2024-10-30 11:17:05 +0100qaotsap(~paotsaq@127.209.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2024-10-30 11:16:48 +0100 <tomsmeding> yes
2024-10-30 11:16:11 +0100duncan(c6181279e3@user/meow/duncan) duncan
2024-10-30 11:15:25 +0100samhh_(7569f027cf@2a03:6000:1812:100::e4) samhh
2024-10-30 11:14:21 +0100ph88^(~ph88@2a02:8109:9e26:c800:ed53:7d07:6030:570a) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2024-10-30 11:13:54 +0100tromp(~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl)
2024-10-30 11:13:28 +0100ggb(a62ffbaf4f@2a03:6000:1812:100::3ac) ggb
2024-10-30 11:12:51 +0100 <ph88> You mean this list? https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/existential_quantification.html#res…
2024-10-30 11:12:37 +0100petrichor(~znc-user@user/petrichor) petrichor
2024-10-30 11:11:56 +0100 <tomsmeding> nice, this list is cool, I should have read it years ago
2024-10-30 11:11:30 +0100 <tomsmeding> apparently this is not sufficient reason to lift the restricion :p
2024-10-30 11:11:10 +0100ph88(~ph88@2a02:8109:9e26:c800:c35a:a881:34b9:612a) ph88
2024-10-30 11:11:08 +0100 <tomsmeding> lol, re the third bullet point: the fact that newtypes cannot be existential leads to this data type https://hackage.haskell.org/package/some-1.0.6/docs/Data-Some.html having a very evil implementation
2024-10-30 11:08:49 +0100 <ph88^> thanks! i'll see if i can understand it
2024-10-30 11:08:47 +0100 <tomsmeding> apparently it's "otherwise the implementation gets even more complicated" :D
2024-10-30 11:08:33 +0100ph88(~ph88@2a02:8109:9e26:c800:3808:5ad1:785a:e722) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2024-10-30 11:08:27 +0100sus(1b7af6299f@user/zeromomentum) zeromomentum
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2024-10-30 11:08:21 +0100rselim(ce261f06ff@user/milesrout) milesrout
2024-10-30 11:08:19 +0100 <tomsmeding> ph88: second bullet point here https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/exts/existential_quantification.html#res…
2024-10-30 11:08:18 +0100RussetParrotBear(45ce440a48@2a03:6000:1812:100::e2)
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2024-10-30 11:06:34 +0100ph88^(~ph88@2a02:8109:9e26:c800:ed53:7d07:6030:570a)
2024-10-30 11:06:24 +0100morb(~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-10-30 11:06:24 +0100 <tomsmeding> but there are bits and pieces here and there
2024-10-30 11:05:45 +0100 <tomsmeding> ph88: hm, seems the paper doesn't really explain the status quo
2024-10-30 11:05:03 +0100 <preflex> 10
2024-10-30 11:05:03 +0100 <mauke> preflex: calc 2 3 *)+ 4
2024-10-30 11:03:58 +0100 <tomsmeding> ph88: yes, I think that's what's happening
2024-10-30 11:03:50 +0100 <tomsmeding> (I read this a few years ago)
2024-10-30 11:03:46 +0100 <tomsmeding> ph88: dunno, but this paper is related (it presents a generalisation to Haskell's type system that does allow more flexible existentials) and it's sure to include an explanation of the status quo :p https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3473569
2024-10-30 11:03:25 +0100 <ph88> you mentioned before that the let binding is lazy, thus not creating the suitable scope ?