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| 2024-10-09 15:45:41 +0200 | <kuribas> | But you don't want to have too much complexity in the types. |
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| 2024-10-09 15:45:27 +0200 | <kuribas> | complex types don't necessarily mean a lot of type level debugging IMO. |
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| 2024-10-09 15:29:56 +0200 | identity | (~identity@user/ZharMeny) identity |
| 2024-10-09 15:24:45 +0200 | <kuribas> | And in idris you have nice ways to program with types, like typed holes. |
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| 2024-10-09 14:53:33 +0200 | <kuribas> | I am happier with a type error, that I can disentangle, that a big stacktrace, which may not even have the answer. |
| 2024-10-09 14:53:08 +0200 | <dminuoso> | :-) |
| 2024-10-09 14:53:07 +0200 | <dminuoso> | You trade time spend in debugging.. for time spend in debugging. |
| 2024-10-09 14:53:01 +0200 | <kuribas> | But not everyone does, I know... |
| 2024-10-09 14:52:49 +0200 | <kuribas> | I am glad to take that trade-off. |
| 2024-10-09 14:52:49 +0200 | <dminuoso> | In Haskell anyway. |
| 2024-10-09 14:52:27 +0200 | <dminuoso> | All that perceived time saved in debugging, is wasted again troubleshooting illegible type errors, or fighting strange type mismatches because there's an extra type tag here and there. |
| 2024-10-09 14:52:06 +0200 | <kuribas> | It's much less of a risk in a production environment. |
| 2024-10-09 14:51:55 +0200 | <kuribas> | Well, one justification is the maturity of the compiler and the ecosystem. |
| 2024-10-09 14:51:39 +0200 | <dminuoso> | To the point where I think its very hard to justify it. |
| 2024-10-09 14:51:29 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Sure they should. This is not an argument about whether dependent types are good, but in Haskell they just overcomplicate interfaces. |
| 2024-10-09 14:51:19 +0200 | <kuribas> | It's so much more ergonomic on idris. |
| 2024-10-09 14:51:10 +0200 | <kuribas> | they should :) |
| 2024-10-09 14:51:02 +0200 | <dminuoso> | And yet people rather pick up Idris when they want dependent types. :-) |
| 2024-10-09 14:50:48 +0200 | <kuribas> | Type level strings, lists, Nats... |
| 2024-10-09 14:50:40 +0200 | <kuribas> | It emulates it. |
| 2024-10-09 14:50:22 +0200 | <dminuoso> | You dont need a dependent type system, which Haskell does not even have. |
| 2024-10-09 14:49:59 +0200 | <kuribas> | ? |
| 2024-10-09 14:49:51 +0200 | <kuribas> | dminuoso: sure, but how is that different from a dependent type. |
| 2024-10-09 14:49:30 +0200 | <kuribas> | In an adhoc way I mean. |
| 2024-10-09 14:49:27 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Like I said, I think if we were able to tag/add metadata to data types and constructors, I think that would be much more useful and easier to work with. |
| 2024-10-09 14:49:17 +0200 | <kuribas> | Not production outages, just a lot of work debugging code. |
| 2024-10-09 14:48:54 +0200 | <kuribas> | Or you have a constraint (HasColumn "foobar"). |