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| 2024-09-21 22:04:06 +0200 | <EvanR> | sounds like golang likes job security |
| 2024-09-21 22:03:56 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | TIL |
| 2024-09-21 22:03:48 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I know on macos the syscall interface is unstable |
| 2024-09-21 22:03:46 +0200 | <geekosaur> | yes, he did it by making a contract with the glibc maintainers |
| 2024-09-21 22:03:36 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | i am coming from golang world, where syscalls are implemented without any C. I know it is rather unique to go. |
| 2024-09-21 22:03:31 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | wasn't Linus' mantra "don't break userspace"? |
| 2024-09-21 22:03:24 +0200 | <geekosaur> | no, it is especially true on linux |
| 2024-09-21 22:03:14 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | geekosaur: surely that's false on linux? |
| 2024-09-21 22:03:13 +0200 | <EvanR> | or experts llvm |
| 2024-09-21 22:03:04 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | got it, makes sense |
| 2024-09-21 22:03:01 +0200 | <EvanR> | ghc generates its own code right |
| 2024-09-21 22:03:00 +0200 | <geekosaur> | the kernel's interface with glibc changes constantly. alternative libcs like musl need to keep up, and if something changed that they don't know about your program will crash |
| 2024-09-21 22:02:38 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 2024-09-21 22:02:18 +0200 | <geekosaur> | not reliably without libc |
| 2024-09-21 22:00:23 +0200 | zero | zzz |
| 2024-09-21 21:58:50 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | but haskell does not have some kind of inline assembly |
| 2024-09-21 21:58:43 +0200 | euphores | (~SASL_euph@user/euphores) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2024-09-21 21:58:40 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | as in, you can FFI to a function written in C, and in C you can do syscalls without needing libc |
| 2024-09-21 21:58:19 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | without libc, yes, without C, no, I think |
| 2024-09-21 21:57:11 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | curious - is it possible at all to do syscalls in haskell without libc? |
| 2024-09-21 21:56:36 +0200 | mreh | (~matthew@host86-146-25-125.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2024-09-21 21:56:21 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | yes, this is calling exit(3) via the C FFI |
| 2024-09-21 21:56:11 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | this is calling libc yes? |
| 2024-09-21 21:54:47 +0200 | <monochrom> | Yeah I saw. Haha. |
| 2024-09-21 21:54:27 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | monochrom: I think you would also enjoy this https://paste.tomsmeding.com/2YnbokDI |
| 2024-09-21 21:53:26 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (ircbrowse is not written by me, just hosted) |
| 2024-09-21 21:53:20 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | 3 out of 5 of the links in the /topic are hosted by me :p |
| 2024-09-21 21:52:54 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | you also have your own paste! mine is in go, not haskell though |
| 2024-09-21 21:52:36 +0200 | <EvanR> | these are some serious super users |
| 2024-09-21 21:52:11 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | :D (though st being st, it's likely there is some tmux-like thing involved) |
| 2024-09-21 21:51:45 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | i am in tmux as well. twinning! |
| 2024-09-21 21:51:43 +0200 | <EvanR> | yes some users can see the results of their keystrokes before they show up on the monitor |
| 2024-09-21 21:51:36 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (but in tmux) |
| 2024-09-21 21:51:31 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (I'm in st too) |
| 2024-09-21 21:51:06 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | i have no compositor |
| 2024-09-21 21:51:02 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | i can feel the difference as well in xterm - 12ms vs 3ms is perceivable for sure for many users. i can't notice much between the 3ms with -V0.0001 and 1.1ms in c |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:58 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | maybe that makes a difference |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:55 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I have no compositor |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:52 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | oh hey |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:49 +0200 | <dolio> | Yeah. |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:40 +0200 | <EvanR> | 0.012 and 0.013 is less than the monitor refresh rate xD |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:35 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | well there's still a few ms left |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:28 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | definitely in shutdown :D |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:27 +0200 | <EvanR> | lol |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:03 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | tuxpaint: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/2YnbokDI |
| 2024-09-21 21:49:59 +0200 | <EvanR> | it |
| 2024-09-21 21:49:56 +0200 | <EvanR> | probably because I have to tricked out with fancy font |
| 2024-09-21 21:49:21 +0200 | <EvanR> | in xterm there is noticable delay in haskell and C :( |
| 2024-09-21 21:48:45 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | terminal=st |
| 2024-09-21 21:48:43 +0200 | <EvanR> | the best term |