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| 2024-09-21 22:00:23 +0200 | zero | zzz |
| 2024-09-21 21:58:50 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | but haskell does not have some kind of inline assembly |
| 2024-09-21 21:58:43 +0200 | euphores | (~SASL_euph@user/euphores) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2024-09-21 21:58:40 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | as in, you can FFI to a function written in C, and in C you can do syscalls without needing libc |
| 2024-09-21 21:58:19 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | without libc, yes, without C, no, I think |
| 2024-09-21 21:57:11 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | curious - is it possible at all to do syscalls in haskell without libc? |
| 2024-09-21 21:56:36 +0200 | mreh | (~matthew@host86-146-25-125.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2024-09-21 21:56:21 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | yes, this is calling exit(3) via the C FFI |
| 2024-09-21 21:56:11 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | this is calling libc yes? |
| 2024-09-21 21:54:47 +0200 | <monochrom> | Yeah I saw. Haha. |
| 2024-09-21 21:54:27 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | monochrom: I think you would also enjoy this https://paste.tomsmeding.com/2YnbokDI |
| 2024-09-21 21:53:26 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (ircbrowse is not written by me, just hosted) |
| 2024-09-21 21:53:20 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | 3 out of 5 of the links in the /topic are hosted by me :p |
| 2024-09-21 21:52:54 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | you also have your own paste! mine is in go, not haskell though |
| 2024-09-21 21:52:36 +0200 | <EvanR> | these are some serious super users |
| 2024-09-21 21:52:11 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | :D (though st being st, it's likely there is some tmux-like thing involved) |
| 2024-09-21 21:51:45 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | i am in tmux as well. twinning! |
| 2024-09-21 21:51:43 +0200 | <EvanR> | yes some users can see the results of their keystrokes before they show up on the monitor |
| 2024-09-21 21:51:36 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (but in tmux) |
| 2024-09-21 21:51:31 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (I'm in st too) |
| 2024-09-21 21:51:06 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | i have no compositor |
| 2024-09-21 21:51:02 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | i can feel the difference as well in xterm - 12ms vs 3ms is perceivable for sure for many users. i can't notice much between the 3ms with -V0.0001 and 1.1ms in c |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:58 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | maybe that makes a difference |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:55 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I have no compositor |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:52 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | oh hey |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:49 +0200 | <dolio> | Yeah. |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:40 +0200 | <EvanR> | 0.012 and 0.013 is less than the monitor refresh rate xD |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:35 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | well there's still a few ms left |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:28 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | definitely in shutdown :D |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:27 +0200 | <EvanR> | lol |
| 2024-09-21 21:50:03 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | tuxpaint: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/2YnbokDI |
| 2024-09-21 21:49:59 +0200 | <EvanR> | it |
| 2024-09-21 21:49:56 +0200 | <EvanR> | probably because I have to tricked out with fancy font |
| 2024-09-21 21:49:21 +0200 | <EvanR> | in xterm there is noticable delay in haskell and C :( |
| 2024-09-21 21:48:45 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | terminal=st |
| 2024-09-21 21:48:43 +0200 | <EvanR> | the best term |
| 2024-09-21 21:48:35 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | i notice a difference in my zsh between ./pure and ./pureinc |
| 2024-09-21 21:48:34 +0200 | <EvanR> | I'll try xterm |
| 2024-09-21 21:48:20 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I notice it less in fish, apparently fish prompt drawing takes time too :') |
| 2024-09-21 21:47:57 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | in bash, I do notice a difference between 'echo hi' and './pure' |
| 2024-09-21 21:47:24 +0200 | <EvanR> | imperceptibly different from the equivalent C program |
| 2024-09-21 21:47:11 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | that is true |
| 2024-09-21 21:47:07 +0200 | <dolio> | Sufficiently instantly for like 99.999% of use cases. |
| 2024-09-21 21:46:45 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | how instant is "instantly" :P |
| 2024-09-21 21:46:33 +0200 | <EvanR> | without the time command |
| 2024-09-21 21:46:20 +0200 | <EvanR> | it says real = 0.012s or 0.013s but when you press enter on ./pure, I am back to the prompt instantly |
| 2024-09-21 21:45:27 +0200 | <tuxpaint> | hmm. so it's waiting to exit or something? i noticed it was "slow" initially because of the time it spent to return me back to interactive |
| 2024-09-21 21:45:11 +0200 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:241a:5600:5db8:4c32:8611:a0fa) |
| 2024-09-21 21:44:58 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | how long does that take? |
| 2024-09-21 21:44:54 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | repeat that last command ~10 times |