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| 2024-09-21 06:30:26 +0200 | neuroevolutus | (~neuroevol@146.70.211.110) |
| 2024-09-21 06:28:14 +0200 | troojg | (~troojg@user/troojg) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
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| 2024-09-21 05:26:36 +0200 | athan | (~athan@syn-098-153-145-140.biz.spectrum.com) |
| 2024-09-21 05:21:24 +0200 | <geekosaur> | even used monochrom's quote to demonstrate 🙂 |
| 2024-09-21 05:21:12 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I provided a more specific rule earlier |
| 2024-09-21 05:21:05 +0200 | <dolio> | Boxed values of different types, that is. |
| 2024-09-21 05:20:45 +0200 | <dolio> | unsafeCoercing between boxed values, even if you think they should be represented 'the same' is not something you can generally get away with, in my experience. |
| 2024-09-21 05:20:43 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (this is not the problem I have with effect systems. the problem I have with them is that they will happily let you "algebraically" combine effects that mtl will rightly reject because they're not safe to combine) |
| 2024-09-21 05:19:34 +0200 | <geekosaur> | for example, switching logging frameworks |
| 2024-09-21 05:19:29 +0200 | <Inst> | i realize i had a large chunk of code, and it was problematic because i couldn't redirect stdout trivially |
| 2024-09-21 05:19:16 +0200 | <geekosaur> | swapping out effect providers |
| 2024-09-21 05:19:12 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2024-09-21 05:18:48 +0200 | <Inst> | iirc it was mentioned it's useful for mocking, but i can't figure out other contexts where the effect polymorphism is useful |
| 2024-09-21 05:18:36 +0200 | <geekosaur> | beats me 🙂 |
| 2024-09-21 05:18:24 +0200 | <Inst> | what's the exact name for constraint-based polymorphic effects? |
| 2024-09-21 05:16:16 +0200 | <geekosaur> | effect systems do the same thing, they just get there via a different path |
| 2024-09-21 05:14:20 +0200 | <Inst> | also I guess I was talking about mtl style |
| 2024-09-21 05:14:10 +0200 | <Inst> | and that's sort of a giveaway :( |
| 2024-09-21 05:14:01 +0200 | <Inst> | i'm sorry to hear :( |
| 2024-09-21 05:13:56 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 2024-09-21 05:13:53 +0200 | morb | (~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-09-21 05:12:33 +0200 | <geekosaur> | gotta wait for my nighttime drugs to kick in (in particular the painkillers, sigh) |
| 2024-09-21 05:12:00 +0200 | <Inst> | i'm blathering at all times, go to bed, geekosaur, it's friday :) |
| 2024-09-21 05:09:51 +0200 | <geekosaur> | that said, I'm operating on 3h of sleep and it's getting late here so I may be blathering at this point 😞 |
| 2024-09-21 05:09:11 +0200 | <geekosaur> | which is a subset of monads |
| 2024-09-21 05:09:04 +0200 | <geekosaur> | mmm, I'd say that's more about "free monad"? |
| 2024-09-21 05:09:02 +0200 | <Inst> | hence the old canard about "computation in a context" |