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| 2024-10-06 18:38:56 +0200 | <Rembane> | davean: Way harder because of Haskell or because of the domain? |
| 2024-10-06 18:38:36 +0200 | <davean> | There have been a few OS projects in Haskell, while they've managed, I tihnk they've all ended with "This is way harder than we like" |
| 2024-10-06 18:38:02 +0200 | rvalue | (~rvalue@user/rvalue) rvalue |
| 2024-10-06 18:37:47 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-06 18:37:35 +0200 | <Franciman> | nice |
| 2024-10-06 18:37:10 +0200 | <davean> | I wouldn't call it great at it thoguh. |
| 2024-10-06 18:36:15 +0200 | <davean> | Franciman: Sure. Particularly tight realtime its not great at. Soft is pretty easy with the realtime GC though. |
| 2024-10-06 18:35:40 +0200 | <Franciman> | can haskell do real time programming? |
| 2024-10-06 18:35:22 +0200 | <Franciman> | i'm not sure it's easy to change the status quo of a GCed lang like haskell |
| 2024-10-06 18:34:53 +0200 | rvalue | (~rvalue@user/rvalue) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2024-10-06 18:32:49 +0200 | <Franciman> | the status quo of physics laws is impossible to change |
| 2024-10-06 18:32:33 +0200 | <Franciman> | the status quo of a society is very difficult to change, because of what you said |
| 2024-10-06 18:32:03 +0200 | <Franciman> | monochrom: the status quo of what? |
| 2024-10-06 18:31:00 +0200 | <Rembane> | That's how brains work to use very little glucose |
| 2024-10-06 18:30:34 +0200 | <monochrom> | But people wouldn't like that, eh? People are more comfortable with camps, paradigms, stereotypes, stigmas, over-simplifications. |
| 2024-10-06 18:30:18 +0200 | JuanDaugherty | (~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) (Quit: JuanDaugherty) |
| 2024-10-06 18:28:49 +0200 | <monochrom> | It's why I don't put any weight on that notion unless in the context of "we need to get it done yesterday". |
| 2024-10-06 18:27:26 +0200 | <monochrom> | More seriously, the status quo is always changeable. Nothing blocks adding a task X library to any ecosystem. |
| 2024-10-06 18:27:00 +0200 | michalz | (~michalz@185.246.207.200) |
| 2024-10-06 18:26:38 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2024-10-06 18:25:47 +0200 | <monochrom> | Hot take: "good at task X" is a social construct. >:) |
| 2024-10-06 18:25:36 +0200 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2024-10-06 18:24:36 +0200 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2024-10-06 18:24:02 +0200 | mud | (~mud@user/kadoban) kadoban |
| 2024-10-06 18:23:59 +0200 | <dminuoso> | The ecosystem does add to the usefulness of a language. |
| 2024-10-06 18:23:46 +0200 | <dminuoso> | monochrom: On the other hand, from a management perspective when asked "what language should we use", I'm not sure whether differentiating between language and ecosyste, is relevant. |
| 2024-10-06 18:23:17 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-10-06 18:22:41 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | all instances of which are ammenable to substition with an appropriate np, "speced lang", "lang as delivered", etc |
| 2024-10-06 18:22:23 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn |
| 2024-10-06 18:21:58 +0200 | Smiles | (uid551636@id-551636.lymington.irccloud.com) Smiles |
| 2024-10-06 18:21:56 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Philosophically there's some merit, after all the langauge itself doesn't do anything. The actual result (AMD64 machine code) is definitely good at solving a particular numerical task. |
| 2024-10-06 18:20:56 +0200 | <monochrom> | In fact, even more extreme, I even reject calling a language good at task X at all. |
| 2024-10-06 18:20:47 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | equivocation on lang |
| 2024-10-06 18:20:42 +0200 | <geekosaur> | and why |
| 2024-10-06 18:20:32 +0200 | <geekosaur> | every time someone asks that question I wonder who's being so insecure about big scary Haskell again |
| 2024-10-06 18:20:17 +0200 | <monochrom> | I don't like it, but people have already merged "language" and "ecosystem" into one single thing and called it "the language". |
| 2024-10-06 18:20:11 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Well, it suggests that having access to a library in itself improves the language itself. |
| 2024-10-06 18:19:45 +0200 | <dminuoso> | It feels like a misattribution that leads to to bad comparisons. |
| 2024-10-06 18:19:34 +0200 | <Rembane> | dminuoso: Is Python or Clojure doing its thing again? |
| 2024-10-06 18:18:52 +0200 | <dminuoso> | tomsmeding: I keep wondering whether calling a language good at task X because of an ecosystem is a sensible thing. |
| 2024-10-06 18:18:45 +0200 | mud | (~mud@user/kadoban) (Quit: quit) |
| 2024-10-06 18:16:49 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
| 2024-10-06 18:16:30 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-10-06 18:14:16 +0200 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2024-10-06 18:14:13 +0200 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
| 2024-10-06 18:13:50 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
| 2024-10-06 18:13:31 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-10-06 18:12:37 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2024-10-06 18:11:53 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I compulsively clean my homedir regularly… but there's still some buildup because of things I'm not sure what to do with |
| 2024-10-06 18:11:48 +0200 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |