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2024-05-17 21:08:53 +0200ezzieyguywuf(~Unknown@user/ezzieyguywuf)
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2024-05-17 20:59:56 +0200 <glguy> ncf: yeah, maybe the other way around makes more sense; I was still in the list of constraints mindset
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2024-05-17 20:51:21 +0200 <ncf> like, instead of saying "the cs objects are a subset of the Show objects" (cs ⊆ Show) you're saying "Show is a member of the list of constraints represented by cs, so that you can project it out" (Show ⊆ cs)
2024-05-17 20:49:34 +0200 <ncf> oh no i see it's a projection
2024-05-17 20:49:07 +0200raym(~ray@user/raym) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2024-05-17 20:48:36 +0200 <ncf> your ⊆ is backwards
2024-05-17 20:46:50 +0200 <glguy> Fwiw I don't recommend using either this or the previous version. It's just exploring the possible
2024-05-17 20:46:00 +0200 <[Leary]> glguy: Nice, looks a bit prettier at least.
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2024-05-17 20:42:12 +0200 <glguy> [Leary]: adapted https://github.com/glguy/operations/blob/quantifiedconstraints/src/Example.hs
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2024-05-17 20:38:38 +0200 <ph88> glguy, thanks
2024-05-17 20:34:52 +0200petrichor(~znc-user@user/petrichor)
2024-05-17 20:34:39 +0200 <[Leary]> ph88: I can't help much when I don't know just what it is you're struggling to achieve---the line where you've commented ?? was already, err, /mysterious/ to me from the start. That said, you probably want `type c <: cs = (forall x. cs x => c x) :: Constraint` (library-side) and `instance GetMessage <: cs => GetMessage (Entity cs)` (user-side).
2024-05-17 20:34:31 +0200 <glguy> ph88: you need '[Op1]
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2024-05-17 20:31:32 +0200 <ph88> glguy, this type checks https://play.haskell.org/saved/EAupqGhV but it carries Op2 into class of Op1 .. they need to be separate
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2024-05-17 20:30:06 +0200 <ph88> glguy, i adapted your code. It works with 2 constraints. Why does it fail with one? https://play.haskell.org/saved/EAupqGhV
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2024-05-17 20:08:38 +0200 <ph88> [Leary], maybe i misunderstood. When i try to use your suggestion i'm not sure how it would work https://play.haskell.org/saved/KPj9Vxob
2024-05-17 20:02:18 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com)
2024-05-17 19:58:13 +0200 <glguy> that repository predates quantified constraints
2024-05-17 19:58:01 +0200 <[Leary]> Ah, though I guess that subset is actually just elem, due to QuantifiedConstraints limitations.
2024-05-17 19:54:46 +0200 <[Leary]> glguy: Just BTW, the bare constraint is already powerful enough without the list. `class Null` ~ []; `class (c1 & c2) a` ~ c1 ++ c2; `type c <: cs = (forall x. cs x => c x) :: Constraint` ~ c subset cs.
2024-05-17 19:50:55 +0200 <[Leary]> ph88: I think you've misunderstood. The `data` declaration in the library part doesn't need to change, the /user/ just uses the type at `Entity (c & GetMessage)` instead of `Entity c`.
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2024-05-17 19:44:20 +0200pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!)
2024-05-17 19:43:06 +0200 <glguy> so on line 14 it's a constraint that Show is an element of the list (cs), 20 is that the list [Show] is a subset of the list cs . They're two ways to do write the same idea
2024-05-17 19:42:39 +0200 <ph88> by the way, this reminds me of the effectful library, looks similar to how to compose effects
2024-05-17 19:42:11 +0200 <glguy> ∈ is pronounced "element of" and ⊆ is pronounced "subset of or equal to"
2024-05-17 19:41:13 +0200 <ph88> glguy, what are the symbols on line 14 and 20 in the gists ?
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