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2024-05-13 22:31:31 +0200pavonia(~user@user/siracusa)
2024-05-13 22:30:00 +0200todi(~todi@p57803331.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
2024-05-13 22:29:46 +0200 <Ryan54> This doesn't seem to work unfortunately. Does conduit not allow you to produce a stream of streams during the pipeline and concatenate them together? I couldn't tell if ConduitT had a MonoFoldable instance.
2024-05-13 22:29:46 +0200 <Ryan54> .| mapM_C (liftIO . print)
2024-05-13 22:29:45 +0200 <Ryan54> .| concatC
2024-05-13 22:29:45 +0200 <Ryan54> .| concatMapMC (waitForQuery env)
2024-05-13 22:29:44 +0200 <Ryan54> .| mapMC (startQuery env query)
2024-05-13 22:29:44 +0200 <Ryan54> I have a conduit that's calling that based on an input stream: someTextSource
2024-05-13 22:29:43 +0200 <Ryan54> -- given an environment and uuid, return a stream of results" (MonadResource m) => Env -> UUID -> ConduitT () [[Maybe Text]] m ()
2024-05-13 22:29:43 +0200 <Ryan54> Hey all, looking for some help handling a nested Conduit and wondering if I'm going about it wrong. I have a function someFunc that calls paginate on an aws resource, so the signature is
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2024-05-13 21:50:11 +0200 <mauke> monochrom: in my version of the puzzle, it is very possible that neither box contains the key since all the information you have about the situation came from me
2024-05-13 21:49:56 +0200 <monochrom> It's why my really pragmatic choices are starving to death or blowing to death.
2024-05-13 21:49:26 +0200 <mauke> hah. "None of the doors actually lead out."
2024-05-13 21:49:17 +0200 <monochrom> Yeah I was ready to believe that the lunatic has one more locked room outside my current locked room.
2024-05-13 21:48:29 +0200 <int-e> Oh and I also love this take on this general type of puzzle: https://xkcd.com/246/
2024-05-13 21:48:07 +0200 <monochrom> Then you need to appeal to Penrose and hope that your brain has a Geiger counter built-in.
2024-05-13 21:47:52 +0200 <dolio> If that's the analogy, then aren't you the one assuming that the program does have undefined behavior even though it doesn't?
2024-05-13 21:47:38 +0200 <monochrom> The lunatic didn't give you a Geiger counter, so you probably can't. :)
2024-05-13 21:47:33 +0200 <EvanR> like quantum suicide
2024-05-13 21:47:04 +0200 <EvanR> i didn't follow the entire discussion but can I fork two processes each opens one of the boxes
2024-05-13 21:46:44 +0200 <mauke> similarly, the compiler doesn't worry about it because it is then the programmer's fault
2024-05-13 21:46:28 +0200 <int-e> (and many others)
2024-05-13 21:46:27 +0200 <mauke> <monochrom> But I don't worry about it because it is then the question's fault.
2024-05-13 21:46:24 +0200 <int-e> cf. Gödel
2024-05-13 21:46:14 +0200 <int-e> Eh I wouldn't call it blind trust.
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2024-05-13 21:45:32 +0200 <mauke> and mathematicians are C compilers that blindly assume UB can never happen :-)
2024-05-13 21:45:27 +0200 <monochrom> FSVO "like".
2024-05-13 21:45:08 +0200 <mauke> this is like the C standard and undefined behavior
2024-05-13 21:44:59 +0200 <mauke> ooh, I know what this is
2024-05-13 21:44:43 +0200 <int-e> (I feel that a complete solution to the original problem should exhibit a model. Or both :))
2024-05-13 21:44:37 +0200 <monochrom> But I don't worry about it because it is then the question's fault.
2024-05-13 21:44:37 +0200rekahsoft(~rekahsoft@184.148.6.204)
2024-05-13 21:43:50 +0200 <monochrom> You are right, but since your version contains a contradiction (equivalently a fixed point equation that has no solution), every complete proof system will prove the same nonsense. This means even natural deduction is vulnerable.
2024-05-13 21:43:40 +0200 <int-e> It's not. It's just assumed that the assumptions are consistent, and in your case they aren't.
2024-05-13 21:40:54 +0200 <mauke> but what makes this derivation different from the "proof" in the paper?
2024-05-13 21:40:21 +0200 <mauke> I consider this derivation defective because you can't just plug some (possibly contradictory) statements into a formula, derive a result according to some logical rules, and then call it a day
2024-05-13 21:39:15 +0200tromp(~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl)
2024-05-13 21:39:05 +0200 <mauke> yes :-)
2024-05-13 21:38:57 +0200 <int-e> mauke: You can also prove that the portrait is in the silver casket, so you get two portraits!
2024-05-13 21:37:40 +0200 <monochrom> My supervisor (that would be the Hehner mentioned in the paper) changed that to the less morbid: The teacher says there is a surprise test this week. :)