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| 2024-04-30 23:37:06 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | as in, I would have no clue what Dutch word to use if not "neon lighting" |
| 2024-04-30 23:37:00 +0200 | wroathe | (~wroathe@user/wroathe) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2024-04-30 23:36:25 +0200 | <int-e> | (I /guess/ some new neon signs are still made and some more being maintained, but most of the signs seem to be LED based these days) |
| 2024-04-30 23:36:09 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | still called "neon lighting" today (when translated literally) in Dutch |
| 2024-04-30 23:36:06 +0200 | <mauke> | also, hairdressers |
| 2024-04-30 23:35:39 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | ah right :p |
| 2024-04-30 23:35:30 +0200 | int-e | tunes out again |
| 2024-04-30 23:35:28 +0200 | <int-e> | dminuoso: fair enough, I just enjoyed the anachronism |
| 2024-04-30 23:35:16 +0200 | <dminuoso> | (And yeah, we do have an officially recognized and guild protected job as a "sign and illuminated sign manufacturer") |
| 2024-04-30 23:35:10 +0200 | <mauke> | leuchtschild? |
| 2024-04-30 23:35:06 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | oh is that not a thing in English? |
| 2024-04-30 23:34:52 +0200 | <dminuoso> | int-e: Oh I just liberally translated it. Illuminated signs is the literal translation. |
| 2024-04-30 23:34:31 +0200 | <dminuoso> | But of course lots of traditional jobs like brick layers, bakers, electricials, barbers, carpenters, mechatronics engineers are similarly dealt. |
| 2024-04-30 23:34:19 +0200 | <int-e> | what is a neon sign? :P |
| 2024-04-30 23:33:51 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Here's a list of exotic jobs that have that Meister requirement (and are very regulated by their guils): glass refiner, organ and harmonium retrofitter, sign and neon sign manufacturer, pavement layer |
| 2024-04-30 23:32:33 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I know guild systems from fantasy novels :p |
| 2024-04-30 23:29:50 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | cool, TIL |
| 2024-04-30 23:29:47 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (Quereinsteiger is a word we also have in Dutch, if you suitably substitute for synonyms) |
| 2024-04-30 23:29:44 +0200 | <dminuoso> | tomsmeding: but yeah, the guild system is very very much alive here. |
| 2024-04-30 23:28:46 +0200 | <mauke> | apprentice -> journeyman -> master |
| 2024-04-30 23:28:28 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | oh not even |
| 2024-04-30 23:28:23 +0200 | <dminuoso> | its government sanctioned monopolistic unions. |
| 2024-04-30 23:28:20 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | the federal state, excuse me |
| 2024-04-30 23:28:15 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | :D |
| 2024-04-30 23:28:12 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Who dares. |
| 2024-04-30 23:28:10 +0200 | <dminuoso> | tomsmeding: Not operated by the goerment. |
| 2024-04-30 23:28:03 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | a guild system, but operated by the government, I guess |
| 2024-04-30 23:28:01 +0200 | <yushyin> | (so many germans here oO) |
| 2024-04-30 23:27:59 +0200 | <dminuoso> | So for example you cant just open a bakery, no matter how damn good you are at baking, if you dont have that Meister (master - not in the university sense) degree. |
| 2024-04-30 23:27:30 +0200 | <dminuoso> | tomsmeding: Inside that - lets call it - apprenticeship path, similar to professor there is a Meister (master) advancement, and there's often lots of regulations who can even open a trade business. |
| 2024-04-30 23:27:06 +0200 | mima | (~mmh@aftr-62-216-211-165.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 2024-04-30 23:26:48 +0200 | <mauke> | Quereinsteiger :-) |
| 2024-04-30 23:26:41 +0200 | <dminuoso> | tomsmeding: And the thing is, plenty of these trades that require official certification, are often very heavily regulated. |
| 2024-04-30 23:26:01 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | :D |
| 2024-04-30 23:25:57 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Might have to look into details whether that particular path is possible. |
| 2024-04-30 23:25:47 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Which is a way to retrain. |
| 2024-04-30 23:25:42 +0200 | <dminuoso> | But you get an Umschulung, probably. |
| 2024-04-30 23:25:36 +0200 | <dminuoso> | tomsmeding: thats right. |
| 2024-04-30 23:25:34 +0200 | <dminuoso> | So all paths in your career that requires to have some piece of paper with a certification stamp on it will let you hop on. |
| 2024-04-30 23:25:32 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | but I can't become a brick layer with a CS degree? |
| 2024-04-30 23:25:10 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Well, a university degree is - for all intends and purposes - a "recognized completion of your job training" at least. |
| 2024-04-30 23:25:03 +0200 | <mauke> | get a CS bachelor, write some websites |
| 2024-04-30 23:24:57 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | or does university count as Ausbildung for a whole legion of jobs |
| 2024-04-30 23:24:44 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | and then do the exact same thing afterwards to get a job? |
| 2024-04-30 23:24:39 +0200 | <dminuoso> | The entire system has been setting up to send more and more people to university. |
| 2024-04-30 23:24:28 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Well, you go to university. |
| 2024-04-30 23:24:21 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | dminuoso: what should you do instead, if those apprenticeships are not "worth" as much as they did? |
| 2024-04-30 23:23:25 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Especially in Germany, the perception and reptutation of these recognized apprenticeships has completely gone down the drain. |
| 2024-04-30 23:23:01 +0200 | <dminuoso> | I guess we're living in a phase of academic inflation. |
| 2024-04-30 23:22:59 +0200 | madeleine-sydney | (~madeleine@c-76-155-235-153.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |