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| 2024-04-30 23:09:23 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I always find it fascinating how much this stuff differs between countries |
| 2024-04-30 23:09:16 +0200 | <dminuoso> | It's an upgrade for your PhD. :-) |
| 2024-04-30 23:08:49 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I always forget what exactly a habilitation is, it's a German thing that we don't have |
| 2024-04-30 23:08:25 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | and that here in NL that's not as strict, but you still need to have had experience elsewhere |
| 2024-04-30 23:08:22 +0200 | <dminuoso> | tomsmeding: There's at least the notion that if you want a habilitation, that a postdoc in a different country would be a good idea. Maybe you were thinking of that? |
| 2024-04-30 23:08:07 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I hear that portugal is really strict in only hiring assistant professors who did a phd elsewhere |
| 2024-04-30 23:07:50 +0200 | cashew | (~cashewsta@65.17.175.150) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2024-04-30 23:07:36 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | probably difference in country |
| 2024-04-30 23:07:20 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Or maybe it differs between fields? |
| 2024-04-30 23:07:12 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Might a country-specific thing, then. |
| 2024-04-30 23:06:58 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | but I dunno |
| 2024-04-30 23:06:54 +0200 | tomsmeding | thought it was somewhat frowned upon to stay in the same place for a postdoc |
| 2024-04-30 23:06:41 +0200 | <dminuoso> | But I dont have broad experience or knowledge to really say |
| 2024-04-30 23:06:32 +0200 | <dminuoso> | I think its more likely you get a postdoc position in an institute where the professor (who fought for that money) knows you |
| 2024-04-30 23:06:07 +0200 | <dminuoso> | So where you get that postdoc is really dependent on which place has those funds available. |
| 2024-04-30 23:05:50 +0200 | <dminuoso> | So at least in Germany, postdoc positions are usually paid for through some exterior means (rather than from university funds), say some grant or a company paying for it. |
| 2024-04-30 23:05:31 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | the only way you're going to amass 10 years straight at the same place is when you already have assistant professor position |
| 2024-04-30 23:05:05 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | rather that a phd takes ~4 years and a postdoc 1-2 years, and phds and postdocs are all at different universities typically |
| 2024-04-30 23:04:41 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | not saying that |
| 2024-04-30 23:04:31 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Not sure why time alone would grant you that position. |
| 2024-04-30 23:02:31 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | meaning that if you reach 10 years straight at the same uni, that basically means you're assistant professor or similar |
| 2024-04-30 23:02:15 +0200 | <dminuoso> | It's more unlikely you wont get a permanent position, and getting into the private sector becomes increasingly more difficult if you're already 35 without private sector experience |
| 2024-04-30 23:01:55 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | aren't you supposed to do a postdoc at at different university than your phd anyway |
| 2024-04-30 23:01:29 +0200 | wroathe | (~wroathe@user/wroathe) |
| 2024-04-30 23:01:29 +0200 | wroathe | (~wroathe@50.205.197.50) (Changing host) |
| 2024-04-30 23:01:29 +0200 | wroathe | (~wroathe@50.205.197.50) |
| 2024-04-30 23:01:27 +0200 | <dminuoso> | And that 10 year limit really makes postdoc a difficult proposition, since your future really hangs in the balance. |
| 2024-04-30 23:00:54 +0200 | tri | (~tri@ool-18bbef1a.static.optonline.net) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2024-04-30 23:00:26 +0200 | cashew | (~cashewsta@65.17.175.150) |
| 2024-04-30 23:00:25 +0200 | <dminuoso> | After that they would have to hire you permanently, which just doesnt happen. |
| 2024-04-30 23:00:16 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | right |
| 2024-04-30 23:00:12 +0200 | <dminuoso> | 2 years for the rest of the normal world here. |
| 2024-04-30 23:00:05 +0200 | <dminuoso> | tomsmeding: Oh I meant: 10 years is the limit for fixed-term work contracts (in sequence) at universities. |
| 2024-04-30 22:59:51 +0200 | cashew | (~cashewsta@65.17.175.150) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-04-30 22:59:29 +0200 | <monochrom> | Basically the same phenomenon as: front line drug sellers and people who want to be actors and actress accept ridiculously low pay because of the prospect "there is 0.01% you will one day be a big shot, and then you will make big money". |
| 2024-04-30 22:59:20 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Which is weird, because everywhere else, legally, you cannot be hired for 2 years before they have to extend that to an indefinite contract. |
| 2024-04-30 22:59:14 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | surely they stay on longer |
| 2024-04-30 22:59:05 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | how do full professors fit into that? |
| 2024-04-30 22:58:45 +0200 | <dminuoso> | tomsmeding: So there's an upper limit to how many years you can work for a university. I think it's like 10 years total. |
| 2024-04-30 22:58:25 +0200 | <dminuoso> | tomsmeding: No, science is made intentionally harsh to sort out weak people. |
| 2024-04-30 22:57:56 +0200 | <monochrom> | Then again "it's not personal, it's just good business". |
| 2024-04-30 22:57:56 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | or does germany have the UK etc. model where it's indefinite instead of a fixed time period |
| 2024-04-30 22:57:49 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Of course. |
| 2024-04-30 22:57:34 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | contract expected to take the same number of calendar years? |
| 2024-04-30 22:57:17 +0200 | <monochrom> | :( |
| 2024-04-30 22:57:12 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | that's ridiculous |
| 2024-04-30 22:57:05 +0200 | <dminuoso> | In Germany. |
| 2024-04-30 22:57:02 +0200 | <dminuoso> | In chemistry, biology and biotech its almost the norm to get 50% PhD positions. |
| 2024-04-30 22:56:42 +0200 | tri | (~tri@ool-18bbef1a.static.optonline.net) |
| 2024-04-30 22:56:19 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (the result being that we're don't have an abundance of funds) |