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2026-04-18 05:54:00 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> kinda confused to learn that Dhall doesn't have text equality...
2026-04-18 05:54:11 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> but Natural/Integer equality. What's the difference lol
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2026-04-18 06:41:47 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Maybe should give Nickel a try
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2026-04-18 07:14:12 +0000 <gentauro> maerwald: so you can't compare strings?
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2026-04-18 07:29:55 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> yes
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2026-04-18 07:36:26 +0000 <yushyin> afair, that was a deliberate design decision
2026-04-18 07:36:39 +0000 <yushyin> "The main reason for forbidding Text equality comparisons is to prevent people from parsing Text values at all, in order to encourage them to use more structured data types instead." -- https://github.com/dhall-lang/dhall-haskell/issues/72#issuecomment-309074784
2026-04-18 07:37:04 +0000 <yushyin> whether this is sensible or not is beyond my expertise :D
2026-04-18 07:38:40 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> that makes no sense
2026-04-18 07:39:12 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> because I can hack around it by encoding sum types as integers and doing equality checks on them
2026-04-18 07:39:57 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> it's just that everything looks horrible
2026-04-18 07:40:20 +0000 <haskellbridge> <ozkutuk> Dhall provides extension points to introduce your own built-ins, so if you are using Dhall as a library, you can extend it to add a Text/equal built-in
2026-04-18 07:40:35 +0000 <haskellbridge> <ozkutuk> docs have an example: https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/dhall-1.42.3/docs/Dhall-Tutorial.html#g:23
2026-04-18 07:41:06 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> aha, now I have to fork dhall?
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2026-04-18 07:43:03 +0000 <haskellbridge> <ozkutuk> no fork needed, you write your custom normalizer in your application code and pass it as an argument to the Dhall library functions rather than using the implicit default one
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2026-04-18 07:44:38 +0000 <haskellbridge> <ozkutuk> Say, you use "Dhall.inputWithSettings <yourSettings>", rather than "Dhall.input"
2026-04-18 07:44:50 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> What application code? I want to use it to generate yaml. Now everyone who wants to use my config has to build their own dhall binary.
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2026-04-18 07:48:38 +0000 <haskellbridge> <ozkutuk> Ah, I see. This solution assumed you are using Dhall in your application to parse config, hence I qualified my initial response with "if you are using Dhall as a library"
2026-04-18 07:48:52 +0000 <haskellbridge> <ozkutuk> In your case I don't think there is much you can do
2026-04-18 07:49:19 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Also, the Map interface... oh dear
2026-04-18 07:49:50 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> keys have to be text (but guess what... you can't compare text, lol)...
2026-04-18 07:49:56 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> you can't do lookup even
2026-04-18 07:50:30 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> no sensible way to do updates (e.g. to do deeply nested merges)
2026-04-18 07:51:54 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> it seems the only value it brings is a little bit of string interpolation... and that's all
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2026-04-18 07:52:52 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> using functions like fold/map with all the verbose type annotations looks super confusing too
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2026-04-18 07:57:29 +0000 <haskellbridge> <ozkutuk> maerwald: yeah this gets annoying super fast. There is a function to do function composition ("compose"), but it is pretty much useless because you need to explicitly provide the type of both sides and also the return type...
2026-04-18 08:00:32 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> What I'm trying to do is to have a flat description of data that gets turned into a deeply nested map... but you have to handle value updates for collisions
2026-04-18 08:00:49 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> I don't need a turing complete language for that
2026-04-18 08:01:19 +0000 <haskellbridge> <ozkutuk> maerwald: I am confused by this though, the Prelude functions seem to be general over the key type?
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2026-04-18 08:11:24 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> hm, maybe I did something wrong then
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2026-04-18 08:13:28 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> Error: Wrong type of function argument
2026-04-18 08:13:28 +0000 <haskellbridge> ... long message truncated: https://kf8nh.com/_heisenbridge/media/kf8nh.com/uAHVWSKXlolUhvmlYrnhpPBa/dt9xjbb6wZM (3 lines)
2026-04-18 08:13:40 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> This is what I get when using "keyValue" with a sum type
2026-04-18 08:13:46 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> so it seems to expect Text
2026-04-18 08:14:32 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> https://store.dhall-lang.org/Prelude-v23.1.0/Map/keyValue.dhall.html
2026-04-18 08:14:35 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> yes it expects Text
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2026-04-18 08:23:52 +0000 <haskellbridge> <maerwald> you can create a record "{ mapKey = SomeUnionType, mapValue = "foo" }" but it seems it won't recognize it as an actual Map then
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