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2026-01-28 00:00:37 +0100 <Rembane> tomsmeding: Now we just need to figure out how to shake fist recursively and we will have the ultimate old-man-yelling-at-clouds sourcery!
2026-01-28 00:01:10 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2026-01-28 00:01:11 +0100 <tomsmeding> there's probably a way to make a circular Shake build recipe called "fist"
2026-01-28 00:01:30 +0100skiidly ponders corecursion
2026-01-28 00:03:01 +0100 <Rembane> fix . Shake $ fist
2026-01-28 00:03:27 +0100Googulator(~Googulato@77-234-89-65.pool.digikabel.hu) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2026-01-28 00:04:04 +0100Guest41nods
2026-01-28 00:04:14 +0100Guest41runs away as fast as he can towards textbooks
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2026-01-28 00:04:35 +0100 <tomsmeding> I think #haskell is not the right place to go if you want to talk about LLMs lol
2026-01-28 00:05:03 +0100 <jreicher> Oh dear, we really did scare them off.
2026-01-28 00:05:45 +0100 <tomsmeding> well, some amount of scaring was appropriate, perhaps; not sure if scaring them away was necessary
2026-01-28 00:05:47 +0100 <tomsmeding> oh well
2026-01-28 00:06:04 +0100skidoubts it was scaring off
2026-01-28 00:06:30 +0100 <Rembane> Maybe they'll come back. We'll see.
2026-01-28 00:07:17 +0100 <ski> they could just be humorously expressing that they want to go to focus on the links provided, and not be distracted
2026-01-28 00:07:46 +0100tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:4c4c:3bb8:a5c6:557e)
2026-01-28 00:07:55 +0100 <tomsmeding> possible yes, and in any case if we did scare them off I think we were considerate enough; opinions were expressed, but then, that's what you go on the internet for
2026-01-28 00:08:41 +0100Lycurgus(~juan@user/Lycurgus) Lycurgus
2026-01-28 00:12:11 +0100 <__monty__> While I'm sure an LLM could also tell you, DDG gives me two hits in the first three results with the query `GHC foo @Int`. Burning a whole lot less energy in the process and not being built on nearly as exploitative a technology.
2026-01-28 00:12:32 +0100 <tomsmeding> that's better than I expected
2026-01-28 00:12:44 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-28 00:12:51 +0100 <tomsmeding> and the user guide is even one of them!
2026-01-28 00:15:04 +0100sord937(~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) (Quit: sord937)
2026-01-28 00:16:33 +0100 <jreicher> The whole energy consumption aspect is pretty depressing. I really struggle with that.
2026-01-28 00:17:00 +0100 <tomsmeding> it's one of the main reasons I hesitate to use them even for tasks they are appropriate for
2026-01-28 00:17:10 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2026-01-28 00:20:59 +0100 <haskellbridge> <magic_rb> For me also the moral, copyright, and corporate control aspects
2026-01-28 00:21:59 +0100 <[exa]> c'mon guys no one ever had issues from listening to a good advisor with plenty of great ideas coming from whoknowswhere
2026-01-28 00:22:10 +0100 <jreicher> I really like Hinton's point (other people have probably made it to) that biological brains provide a tradeoff of being uncopyable but very low power consumption. It's a surprising (for me) way of looking at it, but makes sense.
2026-01-28 00:22:39 +0100tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:4c4c:3bb8:a5c6:557e) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2026-01-28 00:23:30 +0100 <[exa]> jreicher: wouldn't say "uncopyable", more like "gotten too squishy to do much else than thinking"
2026-01-28 00:23:58 +0100tomsmedinglikes squishy matrices
2026-01-28 00:25:24 +0100 <jreicher> "Uncopyable" is my paraphrase. The full point is that with software you can produce multiple instances from the one training history. But when you train a biological brain, you only have that instance.
2026-01-28 00:26:47 +0100 <[exa]> like, getting identical copies of fresh brains ain't easy for sure
2026-01-28 00:26:50 +0100karenw(~karenw@user/karenw) karenw
2026-01-28 00:27:11 +0100[exa]-> back to haskell
2026-01-28 00:28:13 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2026-01-28 00:29:14 +0100 <Rembane> I want a hot spare
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2026-01-28 00:38:16 +0100 <__monty__> Are brains really that low energy? 2000 kcal/day = 2.3 kWh/day. From a random website a computer used 8 h/day will use about 146 kWh/year. So that's roughly half a brain. Unless we face that fact that most of our brain power is probably dedicated to "wasted" computation, like acquiring food, procreating etc.
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2026-01-28 01:05:20 +0100 <geekosaur> right, we're doing a lot more than computers are
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2026-01-28 04:08:14 +0100 <monochrom> Brains are really high-power-consumption compared to other parts of the human body. But I guess you're comparing to electronic computers.
2026-01-28 04:08:36 +0100 <monochrom> (But you should s/energy/power/. kcal/day is a power unit, not an energy unit.)
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2026-01-28 06:48:59 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> i'm STILL trying to set up my AI chatbot by stripping out Vercel integration and moving to Supabase, and one thing I've finally realized is that TSX isn't better than Haskell.
2026-01-28 06:49:59 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> TS / TSX are still statement based languages, if you're doing webdev of any kind, you'd rather default to expressions and move to statements when necessary, aka prefer pure over do.
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