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2025-10-20 00:02:25 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 00:10:30 +0200jreicher(~user@user/jreicher) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-10-20 00:11:08 +0200bggd(~bgg@2a01:e0a:819:1510:3eb5:dbc5:9370:da5d)
2025-10-20 00:11:56 +0200inline(~inline@2a02:8071:57a1:1260:5a1:e9a9:aa3a:fee6) Inline
2025-10-20 00:12:49 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@172.222.148.214) (Quit: peterbecich)
2025-10-20 00:13:17 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 00:13:22 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@172.222.148.214) peterbecich
2025-10-20 00:18:07 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-10-20 00:18:37 +0200karenw(~karenw@user/karenw) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 00:19:32 +0200Guest57(~Guest57@95.214.217.193)
2025-10-20 00:22:52 +0200Guest57(~Guest57@95.214.217.193) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-10-20 00:23:25 +0200kk-strat(~halloy995@ip72-208-127-103.ph.ph.cox.net) (Quit: kk-strat)
2025-10-20 00:23:29 +0200inline_(~inline@ip-178-202-059-161.um47.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Inline
2025-10-20 00:26:23 +0200inline__(~inline@2a02:8071:57a1:1260:1ce3:efcb:ed4f:9e96) Inline
2025-10-20 00:26:24 +0200inline(~inline@2a02:8071:57a1:1260:5a1:e9a9:aa3a:fee6) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-10-20 00:26:35 +0200inline__Inline
2025-10-20 00:27:15 +0200inline__(~inline@ip-178-202-059-161.um47.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Inline
2025-10-20 00:29:02 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 00:29:43 +0200inline_(~inline@ip-178-202-059-161.um47.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-10-20 00:30:42 +0200inline_(~inline@2a02:8071:57a1:1260:7925:4f19:c6de:9865) Inline
2025-10-20 00:31:03 +0200Inline(~inline@2a02:8071:57a1:1260:1ce3:efcb:ed4f:9e96) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-10-20 00:32:25 +0200inline__(~inline@ip-178-202-059-161.um47.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 00:33:30 +0200inline__(~inline@ip-178-202-059-161.um47.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Inline
2025-10-20 00:34:02 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 00:35:39 +0200tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:5da6:eb72:7bdc:37c8) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2025-10-20 00:37:19 +0200inline_(~inline@2a02:8071:57a1:1260:7925:4f19:c6de:9865) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-10-20 00:41:36 +0200dolio(~dolio@130.44.140.168) (Quit: ZNC 1.9.1 - https://znc.in)
2025-10-20 00:43:28 +0200dolio(~dolio@130.44.140.168) dolio
2025-10-20 00:44:50 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 00:45:20 +0200inline__inline
2025-10-20 00:47:46 +0200dolio(~dolio@130.44.140.168) (Client Quit)
2025-10-20 00:48:24 +0200jmcantrell(~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell
2025-10-20 00:49:01 +0200dolio(~dolio@130.44.140.168) dolio
2025-10-20 00:49:49 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 00:55:24 +0200hololeap(~quassel@user/hololeap) (Quit: Bye)
2025-10-20 00:56:07 +0200hololeap(~quassel@user/hololeap) hololeap
2025-10-20 01:00:13 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 01:02:23 +0200Ram-Z(Ram-Z@2a01:7e01::f03c:91ff:fe57:d2df) Ram-Z
2025-10-20 01:04:58 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-10-20 01:05:14 +0200Ram-Z_(~Ram-Z@li1814-254.members.linode.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-10-20 01:07:38 +0200mreh(~matthew@host86-146-25-125.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 01:08:59 +0200qqe(~qqq@185.54.23.200) (Quit: Lost terminal)
2025-10-20 01:15:59 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 01:16:23 +0200chromoblob(~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-10-20 01:16:39 +0200chromoblob(~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0
2025-10-20 01:21:01 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 01:24:36 +0200ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Quit: ljdarj)
2025-10-20 01:31:48 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 01:33:37 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@172.222.148.214) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 01:38:43 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2025-10-20 01:49:50 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 01:54:45 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-10-20 02:03:54 +0200craunts795335385(~craunts@136.158.7.194) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-10-20 02:04:10 +0200craunts795335385(~craunts@136.158.7.194)
2025-10-20 02:05:36 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 02:10:47 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-10-20 02:13:51 +0200machinedgod(~machinedg@d75-159-126-101.abhsia.telus.net) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2025-10-20 02:21:24 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 02:24:05 +0200tzh(~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
2025-10-20 02:26:02 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 02:29:53 +0200bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex
2025-10-20 02:32:09 +0200weary-traveler(~user@user/user363627) user363627
2025-10-20 02:37:11 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 02:41:55 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-10-20 02:42:17 +0200otto_s(~user@p4ff274f9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-10-20 02:44:18 +0200otto_s(~user@p5b044609.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
2025-10-20 02:48:30 +0200werneta(~werneta@71.83.160.242) werneta
2025-10-20 02:50:28 +0200qqe(~qqq@185.54.23.200)
2025-10-20 02:50:56 +0200trickard(~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-10-20 02:51:08 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-10-20 02:51:22 +0200simplystuart(~simplystu@c-75-75-152-164.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-10-20 02:52:57 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 02:53:50 +0200gustrb(~gustrb@191.243.134.87)
2025-10-20 02:55:15 +0200flipflops(~cmo@2604:3d09:207f:8000::d1dc) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-10-20 02:56:24 +0200flipflops(~cmo@2604:3d09:207f:8000::d1dc)
2025-10-20 02:56:25 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 02:59:06 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 03:01:23 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-10-20 03:03:52 +0200flipflops(~cmo@2604:3d09:207f:8000::d1dc) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-10-20 03:09:59 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 03:10:50 +0200xff0x(~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:d8fa:98a4:1ba0:2054) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 03:15:31 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-10-20 03:23:25 +0200inline(~inline@ip-178-202-059-161.um47.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 03:27:22 +0200acidjnk(~acidjnk@p200300d6e71719659d28c4899d9c5d95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 03:27:32 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 03:32:25 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 03:41:54 +0200trickard_trickard
2025-10-20 03:43:19 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 03:48:37 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 03:49:58 +0200ttybitnik(~ttybitnik@user/wolper) (Quit: Fading out...)
2025-10-20 03:56:45 +0200weary-traveler(~user@user/user363627) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2025-10-20 03:57:01 +0200weary-traveler(~user@user/user363627) user363627
2025-10-20 03:59:07 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 04:03:57 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-10-20 04:04:48 +0200xff0x(~xff0x@fsb6a9491c.tkyc517.ap.nuro.jp)
2025-10-20 04:08:09 +0200werneta(~werneta@71.83.160.242) (Quit: Lost terminal)
2025-10-20 04:10:32 +0200ephilalethes(~noumenon@113.51-175-156.customer.lyse.net) noumenon
2025-10-20 04:14:54 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 04:18:38 +0200jxv(~simulacru@2600:1700:5040:a200:846b:56ef:4da8:a13)
2025-10-20 04:21:40 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-10-20 04:23:05 +0200trickard(~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-10-20 04:23:18 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-10-20 04:26:37 +0200jxv(~simulacru@2600:1700:5040:a200:846b:56ef:4da8:a13) (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
2025-10-20 04:29:40 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@172.222.148.214) peterbecich
2025-10-20 04:31:22 +0200td_(~td@i5387091E.versanet.de) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 04:33:00 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 04:33:23 +0200td_(~td@i53870936.versanet.de) td_
2025-10-20 04:33:35 +0200trickard_trickard
2025-10-20 04:36:01 +0200anpad(~pandeyan@user/anpad) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 04:36:37 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@172.222.148.214) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 04:38:25 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 04:48:47 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 04:51:41 +0200khumba(~khumba@user/khumba) khumba
2025-10-20 04:53:31 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-10-20 04:54:47 +0200annamalai(~annamalai@157.49.239.48) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2025-10-20 05:04:37 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 05:07:54 +0200anpad(~pandeyan@user/anpad) anpad
2025-10-20 05:09:08 +0200khumba(~khumba@user/khumba) ()
2025-10-20 05:09:14 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 05:10:59 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 05:15:38 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 05:16:13 +0200anpad(~pandeyan@user/anpad) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 05:17:33 +0200qqe(~qqq@185.54.23.200) (Quit: Lost terminal)
2025-10-20 05:24:34 +0200khumba(~khumba@user/khumba) khumba
2025-10-20 05:25:43 +0200img(~img@user/img) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in)
2025-10-20 05:26:12 +0200poscat0x04(~poscat@user/poscat) poscat
2025-10-20 05:26:47 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 05:27:00 +0200img(~img@user/img) img
2025-10-20 05:27:09 +0200werneta(~werneta@71.83.160.242) werneta
2025-10-20 05:27:54 +0200poscat(~poscat@user/poscat) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 05:31:19 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2025-10-20 05:40:05 +0200peterbecich(~Thunderbi@172.222.148.214) peterbecich
2025-10-20 05:42:35 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 05:47:24 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-10-20 05:48:50 +0200anpad(~pandeyan@user/anpad) anpad
2025-10-20 05:52:20 +0200aforemny(~aforemny@2001:9e8:6cc7:6800:bfb8:1818:7f09:9156) aforemny
2025-10-20 05:52:40 +0200aforemny_(~aforemny@2001:9e8:6cea:8700:cf12:fc7b:8ca1:78b9) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-10-20 05:58:20 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 05:59:13 +0200tomboy64(~tomboy64@user/tomboy64) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-10-20 05:59:28 +0200tomboy64(~tomboy64@user/tomboy64) tomboy64
2025-10-20 06:05:14 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 06:06:56 +0200werneta(~werneta@71.83.160.242) (Quit: Lost terminal)
2025-10-20 06:09:43 +0200wickedjargon(~user@120.29.79.98) wickedjargon
2025-10-20 06:12:00 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 06:16:57 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2025-10-20 06:22:35 +0200synchromesh(~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:3da8:1103:8261:15b5) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-10-20 06:23:20 +0200synchromesh(~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:75ff:6dec:5332:48f7) synchromesh
2025-10-20 06:27:48 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 06:28:53 +0200annamalai(~annamalai@2409:4072:601a:bdd2::2602:e0ac) annamalai
2025-10-20 06:32:42 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-10-20 06:43:14 +0200michalz(~michalz@185.246.207.221)
2025-10-20 06:43:35 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 06:48:26 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 06:59:23 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 07:01:05 +0200rvalue-(~rvalue@about/hackers/rvalue) rvalue
2025-10-20 07:01:07 +0200jreicher(~user@user/jreicher) jreicher
2025-10-20 07:01:39 +0200rvalue(~rvalue@about/hackers/rvalue) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-10-20 07:04:33 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2025-10-20 07:05:21 +0200halloy9957(~halloy995@ip72-208-127-103.ph.ph.cox.net)
2025-10-20 07:10:56 +0200rvalue(~rvalue@about/hackers/rvalue) rvalue
2025-10-20 07:11:55 +0200rvalue-(~rvalue@about/hackers/rvalue) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2025-10-20 07:13:01 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 07:13:52 +0200infinity0(~infinity0@pwned.gg) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2025-10-20 07:14:01 +0200Googulator(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-03fa-0485-6a66-0733-0e38.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-10-20 07:14:17 +0200Googulator(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-03fa-0485-6a66-0733-0e38.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-10-20 07:15:51 +0200Googulator31(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-03fa-0485-6a66-0733-0e38.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-10-20 07:15:55 +0200Googulator(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-03fa-0485-6a66-0733-0e38.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Client Quit)
2025-10-20 07:15:58 +0200takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be)
2025-10-20 07:17:46 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 07:19:48 +0200EvanR(~EvanR@user/evanr) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-10-20 07:21:04 +0200khumba(~khumba@user/khumba) ()
2025-10-20 07:27:22 +0200gustrb(~gustrb@191.243.134.87) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-20 07:28:05 +0200notzmv(~umar@user/notzmv) notzmv
2025-10-20 07:28:48 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 07:34:36 +0200infinity0(~infinity0@pwned.gg) infinity0
2025-10-20 07:36:01 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 07:42:24 +0200jreicher(~user@user/jreicher) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-10-20 07:45:25 +0200jreicher(~user@user/jreicher) jreicher
2025-10-20 07:45:43 +0200Googulator31(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-03fa-0485-6a66-0733-0e38.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-10-20 07:45:49 +0200Googulator22(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-03fa-0485-6a66-0733-0e38.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-10-20 07:46:18 +0200ephilalethes(~noumenon@113.51-175-156.customer.lyse.net) (Quit: Leaving)
2025-10-20 07:46:50 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 07:52:13 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2025-10-20 08:02:02 +0200Square(~Square4@user/square) Square
2025-10-20 08:02:38 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-20 08:05:27 +0200Square2(~Square@user/square) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
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2025-10-20 09:34:46 +0200 <dminuoso> Are liftXXX primitives perhaps misnamed? It just occured to me that `liftIO :: IO a -> SomeT IO a` doesnt really pull anything out, it rather stuffs something in!
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2025-10-20 09:34:53 +0200 <dminuoso> stuffIO seems more appropriate.
2025-10-20 09:38:40 +0200 <davean> It lifts an IO
2025-10-20 09:38:45 +0200 <davean> Its what it lifts
2025-10-20 09:39:37 +0200 <dminuoso> To me lifting suggests rather pulling something out.
2025-10-20 09:41:42 +0200 <davean> SomeT is build on IO, and it is a higher universe of semantics
2025-10-20 09:41:52 +0200 <davean> You are lifting it into the greater semantic world
2025-10-20 09:42:14 +0200 <davean> SomeT contains IO.
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2025-10-20 09:42:47 +0200 <dminuoso> Well you're embedding a plain IO action into something richer, you're stuffing it into a richer description of a computation.
2025-10-20 09:43:08 +0200 <davean> No you aren't embedding it, it is *already embeded* SomeT has all of IO
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2025-10-20 09:43:22 +0200 <davean> IO is a subsection of SomeT IO
2025-10-20 09:43:33 +0200 <davean> It specificly isn't embedding
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2025-10-20 09:44:37 +0200 <davean> you can lower SomeT IO into just IO
2025-10-20 09:46:07 +0200srazkvt(~sarah@user/srazkvt) srazkvt
2025-10-20 09:46:14 +0200 <davean> IO is the foundation of SomeT
2025-10-20 09:46:23 +0200 <davean> SomeT is what is built on top
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2025-10-20 09:50:34 +0200 <dminuoso> davean: But at the same time, when we talk about transformers, we say we layer monads *ontop* of a base. In `SomeT IO` you generally call IO a base monad.
2025-10-20 09:51:05 +0200 <davean> Yes, exactly, hence lifting
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2025-10-20 09:55:05 +0200 <davean> IO is the base, SomeT is on top, thus we *lift IO into SomeT*
2025-10-20 09:55:21 +0200 <davean> Because it is semanticly beneith SomeT IO
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2025-10-20 10:08:25 +0200 <monochrom> The best thing about meaningful names is that there are so many meanings to choose from!
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2025-10-20 10:40:58 +0200 <dminuoso> davean: I guess if we just think of monad transformers or just constructions that eventually embed as some kinds of pyramid, it seems rather arbitrary whether we imagine the pyramid to have its tip pointed downwards or upwards.
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