| 2025-10-19 00:03:46 +0200 | SlackCoder | (~SlackCode@208.26.91.234) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2025-10-19 00:05:42 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 00:08:21 +0200 | n3t | (~n3t@user/n3t) (WeeChat 3.5) |
| 2025-10-19 00:10:26 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 00:11:31 +0200 | karenw | (~karenw@user/karenw) karenw |
| 2025-10-19 00:11:55 +0200 | karenw_ | (~karenw@user/karenw) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-10-19 00:13:52 +0200 | Dhark8 | (~Shark8@c-174-56-102-109.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 00:14:37 +0200 | karenw | (~karenw@user/karenw) (Client Quit) |
| 2025-10-19 00:17:25 +0200 | Shark8 | (~Shark8@c-174-56-102-109.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 2025-10-19 00:24:06 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 00:24:26 +0200 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 00:28:30 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 00:32:53 +0200 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell |
| 2025-10-19 00:39:27 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 00:42:48 +0200 | Zemy | (~Zemy@2600:100c:b0a7:4bfb:5c2b:4ff:fe20:335b) |
| 2025-10-19 00:43:58 +0200 | Zemy_ | (~Zemy@72.178.108.235) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-10-19 00:44:07 +0200 | Zemy_ | (~Zemy@72.178.108.235) |
| 2025-10-19 00:44:10 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 00:46:32 +0200 | mreh | (~matthew@host86-146-25-125.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 00:47:22 +0200 | Zemy | (~Zemy@2600:100c:b0a7:4bfb:5c2b:4ff:fe20:335b) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 00:51:52 +0200 | haltsolver | (~cmo@2604:3d09:207f:8000::d1dc) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-10-19 00:52:15 +0200 | haltsolver | (~cmo@2604:3d09:207f:8000::d1dc) |
| 2025-10-19 00:54:14 +0200 | Ging_ | (46fea76d80@2001:bc8:1210:2cd8::470) |
| 2025-10-19 00:57:00 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 00:57:09 +0200 | Ging_ | (46fea76d80@2001:bc8:1210:2cd8::470) () |
| 2025-10-19 00:58:50 +0200 | Ging_ | (46fea76d80@2001:bc8:1210:2cd8::470) |
| 2025-10-19 01:01:41 +0200 | target_i | (~target_i@user/target-i/x-6023099) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2025-10-19 01:01:46 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 01:06:30 +0200 | OftenFaded25 | (~OftenFade@user/tisktisk) (Quit: Client closed) |
| 2025-10-19 01:08:13 +0200 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 01:12:23 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 01:14:58 +0200 | forell | (~forell@user/forell) forell |
| 2025-10-19 01:15:15 +0200 | trickard_ | trickard |
| 2025-10-19 01:18:55 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 01:28:17 +0200 | Vajb | (~Vajb@n7o35ytoa19a9fdq6h6-1.v6.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 2025-10-19 01:30:36 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 01:35:25 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 01:39:11 +0200 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell |
| 2025-10-19 01:44:02 +0200 | hiredman | (~hiredman@frontier1.downey.family) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-10-19 01:45:18 +0200 | hiredman | (~hiredman@frontier1.downey.family) hiredman |
| 2025-10-19 01:46:24 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 01:51:11 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 01:59:25 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:00:24 +0200 | takuan | (~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-10-19 02:02:11 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 02:06:57 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:11:23 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2025-10-19 02:15:08 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 02:15:45 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:16:13 +0200 | jrm | (~jrm@user/jrm) (Quit: ciao) |
| 2025-10-19 02:17:32 +0200 | jrm | (~jrm@user/jrm) jrm |
| 2025-10-19 02:17:37 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2025-10-19 02:20:07 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:21:43 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:25:23 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2025-10-19 02:27:38 +0200 | acidjnk | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e7171983a9099d024dfa47e6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:29:43 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:30:30 +0200 | trickard__ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2025-10-19 02:30:56 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 02:31:49 +0200 | trickard | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:35:43 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:41:05 +0200 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex |
| 2025-10-19 02:41:18 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:43:46 +0200 | comonad1 | (~comonad@p200300d02711d0004b6eb519787385cb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:43:59 +0200 | otto_s | (~user@p5b044368.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:45:37 +0200 | otto_s | (~user@p4ff274f9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2025-10-19 02:45:52 +0200 | comonad | (~comonad@p4fe5232a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2025-10-19 02:46:43 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 02:49:43 +0200 | haltsolver | (~cmo@2604:3d09:207f:8000::d1dc) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:50:06 +0200 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:51:07 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2025-10-19 02:53:14 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 02:55:19 +0200 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex |
| 2025-10-19 02:58:57 +0200 | Tuplanolla1 | (~Tuplanoll@91-159-187-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 2025-10-19 03:00:42 +0200 | Tuplanolla | (~Tuplanoll@91-159-187-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 03:04:47 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 03:09:19 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 03:13:47 +0200 | trickard__ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-10-19 03:14:00 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2025-10-19 03:18:46 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 03:20:10 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 03:20:39 +0200 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:3da8:1103:8261:15b5) synchromesh |
| 2025-10-19 03:23:14 +0200 | Lycurgus | (~juan@user/Lycurgus) Lycurgus |
| 2025-10-19 03:24:29 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2025-10-19 03:26:05 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-10-19 03:26:13 +0200 | Sgeo_ | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2025-10-19 03:26:19 +0200 | synchrom1 | (~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:3da8:1103:8261:15b5) synchromesh |
| 2025-10-19 03:26:50 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 03:28:50 +0200 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:3da8:1103:8261:15b5) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 03:29:30 +0200 | ec | (~ec@gateway/tor-sasl/ec) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-10-19 03:30:41 +0200 | ec | (~ec@gateway/tor-sasl/ec) ec |
| 2025-10-19 03:31:20 +0200 | Tuplanolla1 | (~Tuplanoll@91-159-187-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Quit: Leaving.) |
| 2025-10-19 03:32:18 +0200 | simplystuart | (~simplystu@c-75-75-152-164.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 2025-10-19 03:34:12 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-10-19 03:34:37 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2025-10-19 03:37:45 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 03:40:17 +0200 | mhatta | (~mhatta@www21123ui.sakura.ne.jp) (Quit: ZNC 1.10.1+deb1 - https://znc.in) |
| 2025-10-19 03:42:50 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 03:43:18 +0200 | mhatta | (~mhatta@www21123ui.sakura.ne.jp) |
| 2025-10-19 03:53:33 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 03:54:51 +0200 | Lycurgus | (~juan@user/Lycurgus) (Quit: alsoknownas.renjuan.org ( juan@acm.org )) |
| 2025-10-19 03:58:18 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 03:58:54 +0200 | humasect | (~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) |
| 2025-10-19 03:59:37 +0200 | trickard_ | trickard |
| 2025-10-19 04:05:02 +0200 | op_4 | (~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-10-19 04:05:37 +0200 | op_4 | (~tslil@user/op-4/x-9116473) op_4 |
| 2025-10-19 04:09:21 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 04:14:50 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 04:24:54 +0200 | trickard | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-10-19 04:25:08 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2025-10-19 04:25:38 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 04:32:07 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 04:32:47 +0200 | td_ | (~td@i53870927.versanet.de) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 04:34:41 +0200 | td_ | (~td@i5387091E.versanet.de) td_ |
| 2025-10-19 04:43:41 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 04:48:39 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 04:50:42 +0200 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-10-19 04:59:10 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 05:03:54 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 05:04:14 +0200 | gorignak | (~gorignak@user/gorignak) gorignak |
| 2025-10-19 05:14:58 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 05:19:49 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 05:30:07 +0200 | rvalue | (~rvalue@about/hackers/rvalue) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-10-19 05:30:34 +0200 | rvalue | (~rvalue@about/hackers/rvalue) rvalue |
| 2025-10-19 05:31:22 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-10-19 05:31:35 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2025-10-19 05:37:23 +0200 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 05:38:29 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 05:39:16 +0200 | trickard_ | trickard |
| 2025-10-19 05:43:22 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 05:54:16 +0200 | aforemny_ | (~aforemny@2001:9e8:6cea:8700:cf12:fc7b:8ca1:78b9) aforemny |
| 2025-10-19 05:54:17 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 05:55:03 +0200 | aforemny | (~aforemny@i577B12DA.versanet.de) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 05:58:00 +0200 | bggd | (~bgg@2a01:e0a:819:1510:963d:289d:e22:6ba0) |
| 2025-10-19 05:59:22 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 06:06:06 +0200 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell |
| 2025-10-19 06:06:49 +0200 | delu019 | (~delu019@173.28.58.189) |
| 2025-10-19 06:08:26 +0200 | <delu019> | test |
| 2025-10-19 06:09:07 +0200 | delu019 | (~delu019@173.28.58.189) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-10-19 06:10:05 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 06:16:24 +0200 | ec | (~ec@gateway/tor-sasl/ec) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-10-19 06:16:48 +0200 | ec | (~ec@gateway/tor-sasl/ec) ec |
| 2025-10-19 06:16:58 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 06:23:37 +0200 | trickard | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-10-19 06:23:50 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2025-10-19 06:23:58 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 06:28:42 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 06:28:57 +0200 | gustrb | (~gustrb@191.243.134.87) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 06:29:31 +0200 | chromoblob | (~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 06:30:25 +0200 | chromoblob | (~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0 |
| 2025-10-19 06:34:21 +0200 | gustrb | (~gustrb@191.243.134.87) |
| 2025-10-19 06:39:46 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 06:44:32 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 06:50:42 +0200 | inline | (~inline@2a02:8071:57a1:1260:2d6f:54d1:d2c4:b9b2) Inline |
| 2025-10-19 06:54:03 +0200 | inline_ | (~inline@2a02:8071:57a1:1260:d82c:6b3f:958f:cc66) Inline |
| 2025-10-19 06:55:33 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 06:55:33 +0200 | inline | (~inline@2a02:8071:57a1:1260:2d6f:54d1:d2c4:b9b2) (Killed (zinc.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))) |
| 2025-10-19 06:55:33 +0200 | inline_ | Inline |
| 2025-10-19 07:00:39 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 07:02:25 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 07:02:49 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2025-10-19 07:11:21 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 07:16:10 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 07:20:16 +0200 | driib318 | (~driib@vmi931078.contaboserver.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 07:22:22 +0200 | bggd | (~bgg@2a01:e0a:819:1510:963d:289d:e22:6ba0) (Quit: std::move) |
| 2025-10-19 07:24:57 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 07:29:36 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 07:29:43 +0200 | craunts795335385 | (~craunts@136.158.7.194) |
| 2025-10-19 07:34:32 +0200 | synchrom1 | (~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:3da8:1103:8261:15b5) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-10-19 07:36:00 +0200 | synchromesh | (~john@2406:5a00:2412:2c00:3da8:1103:8261:15b5) synchromesh |
| 2025-10-19 07:40:47 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 07:47:29 +0200 | trickard_ | trickard |
| 2025-10-19 07:47:38 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 07:54:28 +0200 | takuan | (~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be) |
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| 2025-10-19 12:34:26 +0200 | <ggVGc> | sometimes I wonder if GHC may, in fact, have a few too many extensions |
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| 2025-10-19 12:52:25 +0200 | JimL | (~quassel@89.162.16.26) JimL |
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| 2025-10-19 13:04:49 +0200 | <Rembane> | It probably does, the hard part is agreeing on which extensions aren't necessary. |
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| 2025-10-19 13:14:07 +0200 | <[exa]> | ggVGc: why? (as in, I guess because of reimplementation overhead?) |
| 2025-10-19 13:19:34 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
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| 2025-10-19 13:25:41 +0200 | <ggVGc> | [exa]: more that it's hard to say what "Haskell" is, and that many extensions interact poorly with each-other, and several are iterative or parallel attempts at tackling the same/similar issues |
| 2025-10-19 13:26:15 +0200 | pavonia | (~user@user/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!) |
| 2025-10-19 13:31:00 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 13:34:35 +0200 | __monty__ | (~toonn@user/toonn) toonn |
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| 2025-10-19 13:36:07 +0200 | Lord_of_Life_ | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
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| 2025-10-19 13:37:27 +0200 | Lord_of_Life_ | Lord_of_Life |
| 2025-10-19 13:38:37 +0200 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 13:39:15 +0200 | <[exa]> | ggVGc: haskell is what the haskell standard says :) |
| 2025-10-19 13:39:27 +0200 | <[exa]> | the rest is nice extensions |
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| 2025-10-19 14:28:11 +0200 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@2a02:8071:64e1:da0:5a47:caff:fe78:33db) CiaoSen |
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| 2025-10-19 14:34:45 +0200 | <probie> | You can always take GHC2021 as a pseudo-standard for "modern Haskell" |
| 2025-10-19 14:41:17 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 14:46:28 +0200 | <mreh> | doesn't Stack default to 2010 or something? |
| 2025-10-19 14:48:12 +0200 | <mreh> | or maybe it's hpack that does that |
| 2025-10-19 14:49:03 +0200 | <mreh> | yeah, it's hpack, what does cabal do I wonder |
| 2025-10-19 14:50:39 +0200 | <mreh> | https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/stable/cabal-package-description-file.html#pkg-field-default-langu… |
| 2025-10-19 14:50:45 +0200 | <mreh> | it doesn't say! exciting... |
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| 2025-10-19 14:53:27 +0200 | ttybitnik | (~ttybitnik@user/wolper) ttybitnik |
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| 2025-10-19 15:08:34 +0200 | SlackCoder | (~SlackCode@64-94-63-8.ip.weststar.net.ky) SlackCoder |
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| 2025-10-19 15:13:25 +0200 | finsternis | (~X@23.226.237.192) finsternis |
| 2025-10-19 15:13:33 +0200 | AlexNoo_ | AlexNoo |
| 2025-10-19 15:17:34 +0200 | <davean> | mreh: cabal doesn't default, its REQUIRED |
| 2025-10-19 15:17:40 +0200 | inline | (~inline@2a02:8071:57a1:1260:d82c:6b3f:958f:cc66) Inline |
| 2025-10-19 15:19:47 +0200 | <davean> | Defaulting would ruin the required nature of it |
| 2025-10-19 15:21:02 +0200 | Rembane | (~Rembane@user/Rembane) (Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1) |
| 2025-10-19 15:21:44 +0200 | Rembane | (~Rembane@user/Rembane) Rembane |
| 2025-10-19 15:22:11 +0200 | <ggVGc> | [exa]: yeah, I agree that is formally true, but in practice whatever GHC does is what Haskell is, in the same way that C is de-facto defined by extensions that GCC and clang both implement. |
| 2025-10-19 15:22:12 +0200 | <davean> | I know weirdly it is listed as optional in the field syntax reference, thats a bit missleading. Thats the base syntax, not the semantic syntax. |
| 2025-10-19 15:22:55 +0200 | davean | looks around at all the project you use regularly that have never been compiled with gcc or clang |
| 2025-10-19 15:22:58 +0200 | <ggVGc> | but yeah, GHC2021 is a nice attempt at collecting useful extensions into something coherent |
| 2025-10-19 15:23:23 +0200 | <ggVGc> | davean: I think those are few? |
| 2025-10-19 15:23:42 +0200 | <davean> | ggVGc: I'm not even sure you listed the most used C compilers |
| 2025-10-19 15:23:46 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 15:24:21 +0200 | <ggVGc> | interesting, would say it's intel or msvc? |
| 2025-10-19 15:24:32 +0200 | <ggVGc> | because I think I disagree with that for everyday software that I personally run |
| 2025-10-19 15:24:39 +0200 | <davean> | msvc is DEFINETLY huge |
| 2025-10-19 15:24:59 +0200 | <davean> | I didn't say it was common with what you run, I was saying you definately use stuff that is only compiled on msvc |
| 2025-10-19 15:25:00 +0200 | <ggVGc> | but it's widely accepted that msvc does not properly implement C? |
| 2025-10-19 15:25:25 +0200 | <davean> | icc is also a major compiler, and there are a bunch of others that are pretty major |
| 2025-10-19 15:25:33 +0200 | <davean> | C is a highly multi-compiler language |
| 2025-10-19 15:27:04 +0200 | <davean> | But a lot of stuff is embeded and neither gcc or clang is common in embeded at all |
| 2025-10-19 15:27:45 +0200 | <davean> | Haskell is not widely varied in compilers, though there are some others which you use for good reasons. C though? No C is not at all "what is implimended by gcc and clang" |
| 2025-10-19 15:28:26 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 15:28:26 +0200 | SlackCoder | (~SlackCode@64-94-63-8.ip.weststar.net.ky) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 15:28:40 +0200 | <davean> | Seeing all the microhs patches come through is actually interesting ATM |
| 2025-10-19 15:29:33 +0200 | <ggVGc> | well, okay, I'm willing to retract what I said. But, for many people writing C on linux or osx, extensions to C implemented by GCC are seen by many as standard parts of the language, I think/ |
| 2025-10-19 15:29:54 +0200 | <ggVGc> | but, anyway, my point was still about Haskell and GHC |
| 2025-10-19 15:32:04 +0200 | SlackCoder | (~SlackCode@208.26.91.234) SlackCoder |
| 2025-10-19 15:33:58 +0200 | <ggVGc> | I feel like GCC is quite common in embedded nowadays though? I've only done NXP, ESP and rp2050 stuff I guess, but those toolchains are gcc-based. And NXP is quite major? |
| 2025-10-19 15:34:13 +0200 | karenw | (~karenw@user/karenw) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 15:34:17 +0200 | <ggVGc> | but. sure, my statement wasn't very well thought through |
| 2025-10-19 15:38:46 +0200 | <ggVGc> | anyway, I appreciate that GHC has a proper extension system. Unlike Scala, which I now writre for my day job, where everything just goes into trunk. |
| 2025-10-19 15:39:34 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 15:44:52 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 15:46:44 +0200 | <davean> | ooof I'm sorry |
| 2025-10-19 15:46:57 +0200 | __monty__ | (~toonn@user/toonn) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2025-10-19 15:47:47 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> We need a JVM backend in GHC :P |
| 2025-10-19 15:48:06 +0200 | <ggVGc> | I think it exists? |
| 2025-10-19 15:48:14 +0200 | <ggVGc> | or at least there was some project way back |
| 2025-10-19 15:48:19 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> There was a external project |
| 2025-10-19 15:48:20 +0200 | <ggVGc> | unless I am making it up |
| 2025-10-19 15:48:26 +0200 | <ggVGc> | ah, right |
| 2025-10-19 15:48:40 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> But it wasnt ever integrated into GHC proper, i think it was called etalang? |
| 2025-10-19 15:48:53 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Kinda died due the same reason ghcjs started dying, not upstream |
| 2025-10-19 15:48:55 +0200 | <ggVGc> | it may be heresy in here, but I actually would not like to write our backend in Haskell either. |
| 2025-10-19 15:49:09 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Heresy |
| 2025-10-19 15:49:11 +0200 | <ggVGc> | it's not the type of work I prefer to use Haskell for |
| 2025-10-19 15:49:28 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> We're gonna string you up |
| 2025-10-19 15:50:30 +0200 | <ggVGc> | I appreciate it. Will give me a good excuse to leave my newborn twins with my wife for undefined duration? |
| 2025-10-19 15:50:53 +0200 | trickard | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-10-19 15:51:33 +0200 | <ggVGc> | to be fair, I've never worked at a company running Haskell in production, and I am still curious how that looks day-to-day. So, my mind could be changed. |
| 2025-10-19 15:51:51 +0200 | <ggVGc> | (specifically for web backend) |
| 2025-10-19 15:52:00 +0200 | <ggVGc> | which, arguably, is almost all work available right now |
| 2025-10-19 15:52:51 +0200 | <ggVGc> | (I am willfully ignoring anything inside the browser) |
| 2025-10-19 15:55:22 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 15:55:30 +0200 | <davean> | I do all my web backend in haskell |
| 2025-10-19 15:55:47 +0200 | <davean> | Easiest experience I've ever had |
| 2025-10-19 15:56:08 +0200 | <Rembane> | davean: Are there any libraries that makes things particularly easy? |
| 2025-10-19 15:56:30 +0200 | <davean> | Rembane: uh yes but also not sure what you'd be asking |
| 2025-10-19 15:56:42 +0200 | inline | (~inline@2a02:8071:57a1:1260:d82c:6b3f:958f:cc66) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 15:57:14 +0200 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@2a02:8071:64e1:da0:5a47:caff:fe78:33db) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 15:57:26 +0200 | <davean> | Like there are always libraries that make tasks easy - actually the reusability of code in haskell is rather important there (thank you laziness) but like thats SUPER general and I think you want something more specific |
| 2025-10-19 15:58:11 +0200 | <Rembane> | davean: Sorry, I had all the context in my head and not on the screen. Context: My web development becomes really nice because I use Django when I work in Python and Phoenix and Ash when I work in Elixir. Are there any libraries like those, or don't you need them? |
| 2025-10-19 15:58:31 +0200 | <davean> | defiantely don't need something like that |
| 2025-10-19 15:58:48 +0200 | <davean> | there are some good routing libraries, and there are some good applicitive form libraries |
| 2025-10-19 15:59:02 +0200 | <Rembane> | Give me names! :D |
| 2025-10-19 15:59:08 +0200 | <davean> | where form is generalized to be the form HTTP type, not HTML |
| 2025-10-19 15:59:36 +0200 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) (Quit: = "") |
| 2025-10-19 15:59:44 +0200 | <davean> | reform is pretty cool |
| 2025-10-19 15:59:47 +0200 | qqe | (~qqq@185.54.23.200) |
| 2025-10-19 16:00:09 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2025-10-19 16:00:55 +0200 | <Rembane> | It looks cool, thank you |
| 2025-10-19 16:01:10 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-57-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2025-10-19 16:01:20 +0200 | <ggVGc> | what does your deployment setup look like, davean? And what do you use for metrics reporting? |
| 2025-10-19 16:01:51 +0200 | <davean> | deployment? Just have nix build the cabal package and create a systemd service |
| 2025-10-19 16:02:33 +0200 | <davean> | I have a little internal library for some graceful shutdown handling, but its nothing that isn't already supported but not like cleanly hooked up |
| 2025-10-19 16:03:43 +0200 | <davean> | As for metrics reporting, it depends on what metrics you care about. Like EKG is a pretty standard one. |
| 2025-10-19 16:04:51 +0200 | <davean> | I don't actually find metrics to be a thing I ever look at with haskell services. There isn't ever anything to track down and they're performant. I can't recall the last time I had to pay attention to any metrics for them |
| 2025-10-19 16:05:05 +0200 | <davean> | One of the nice parts of haskell is never having problems |
| 2025-10-19 16:05:30 +0200 | <davean> | god I spent so much time staring at metrics with python services ... |
| 2025-10-19 16:06:10 +0200 | <ggVGc> | Yeah, we also deploy as a systemd service at my current job, which I think is fine. |
| 2025-10-19 16:06:21 +0200 | <ggVGc> | how do you know if you have or don't have problems without metrics? |
| 2025-10-19 16:06:23 +0200 | <davean> | well the nix part is more significant |
| 2025-10-19 16:07:01 +0200 | <ggVGc> | what I mean is things like number of open DB connections, query times, HTTP response times, statistics on raturn codes etc. |
| 2025-10-19 16:07:07 +0200 | <davean> | ggVGc: well think about the sort of problems you might have, most of them are error logs. Like a DB is down or something |
| 2025-10-19 16:07:10 +0200 | <ggVGc> | concurrent request numbers |
| 2025-10-19 16:07:38 +0200 | <davean> | well, my haskell code already uses a fixed DB pool and trades them out, so the only issue that could happen there is a DB error, thats a log issue not a metric issue |
| 2025-10-19 16:08:20 +0200 | morj | (~morj@user/morj) morj |
| 2025-10-19 16:08:51 +0200 | <davean> | don't need metrics for "if this ever happens, trip an alert on the first occurence" |
| 2025-10-19 16:08:57 +0200 | <ggVGc> | for me, metrics is not something that has to do with errors/issues. It's a way to know things about the service |
| 2025-10-19 16:09:14 +0200 | <ggVGc> | how do you know how many users you have, for example, at during which hours? |
| 2025-10-19 16:10:12 +0200 | <davean> | I mean that would be a stats issue, though also why would I care? How many users I have overall might matter, but why do I care which hours generally? And if I did I can get that out of analytics, but which hour is never really relivent to me |
| 2025-10-19 16:10:16 +0200 | <davean> | personally |
| 2025-10-19 16:10:37 +0200 | <davean> | I'm actually SLIGHTLY interested in that for launches |
| 2025-10-19 16:10:47 +0200 | <davean> | to see service uptake rate |
| 2025-10-19 16:11:10 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-10-19 16:11:11 +0200 | <davean> | That I do look at some EKG based stuff for |
| 2025-10-19 16:11:43 +0200 | inline | (~inline@2a02:8071:57a1:1260:99b9:102d:fb79:f90b) Inline |
| 2025-10-19 16:13:10 +0200 | <davean> | There is the standard tracing protocols if you want more detailed stuff |
| 2025-10-19 16:16:00 +0200 | <davean> | but like things like HTTP response times, they're well characturized, if it goes above 10ms its just instantly tripping an alert. |
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| 2025-10-19 16:18:23 +0200 | <davean> | Actually the only service I run that *isn't* nice is hackage, and I REALLY REALLY want to finish a replacement for it |
| 2025-10-19 16:18:42 +0200 | <davean> | hatz hackage I does, hatz it |
| 2025-10-19 16:20:40 +0200 | <davean> | hackage reminds me of running python services :( |
| 2025-10-19 16:21:00 +0200 | <davean> | partially because it keeps all its data in memory, transactionally, and doesn't retire references until requests complete. |
| 2025-10-19 16:21:12 +0200 | <davean> | So modular, so very very bad code design |
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