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2025-09-10 00:02:56 +0200tromp(~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:298e:6063:53dd:ee4e) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
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2025-09-10 00:17:40 +0200 <biberao> ok
2025-09-10 00:17:48 +0200 <biberao> but can i isolate it?
2025-09-10 00:17:53 +0200 <biberao> or its globally installed?
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2025-09-10 00:32:02 +0200 <geekosaur> globally installed. ghcup and even more so stack can isolate them
2025-09-10 00:34:17 +0200davidlbowman(~dlb@user/davidlbowman) davidlbowman
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2025-09-10 00:35:44 +0200 <biberao> ah i can use ghcup or stack?
2025-09-10 00:35:47 +0200 <biberao> im cnfused here
2025-09-10 00:38:04 +0200 <geekosaur> both of them can install ghc for you, although modern stack usage gets ghc from ghcup
2025-09-10 00:38:32 +0200 <geekosaur> when you install ghcup, it will install ghc, haskell-language-server, cabal, and stack
2025-09-10 00:38:52 +0200 <geekosaur> it will also ask if you want to install a stack hook that makes it get ghc from ghcup instead of downloading it separately
2025-09-10 00:39:44 +0200 <geekosaur> stack is somewhat easier for beginners to use, although if you find yourself using extra-deps a lot then cabal might be a better alternative
2025-09-10 00:39:52 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2025-09-10 00:47:48 +0200 <biberao> ive always used linux so i dont know win11
2025-09-10 00:49:25 +0200 <geekosaur> unless you need to make a native Windows app then WSL2 + ghcup might be the way to go, then
2025-09-10 00:50:43 +0200 <biberao> geekosaur: any good reading for me to try?
2025-09-10 00:51:12 +0200 <biberao> i dont want it to mess much with the system
2025-09-10 00:53:38 +0200 <monochrom> I don't know what "isolation" means. But I can say what ghcup does. It can install multiple GHC versions, set one of them as default, but the others are still accessible as eg "ghc-9.6.7". It can uninstall any of the GHC versions.
2025-09-10 00:54:40 +0200 <biberao> ayh awesome
2025-09-10 00:54:47 +0200 <biberao> so i grab ghcup and its done then?
2025-09-10 00:54:55 +0200 <geekosaur> I'm not seeing any good documentation. Windows Subsystem for Linux 2 should be available for free in the Windows Store if it's not preinstalled, and once you start it you can use the Linux instructions to install ghcup within it https://haskell.org/ghcup
2025-09-10 00:55:23 +0200 <biberao> ah ok cool thanks
2025-09-10 00:55:28 +0200 <biberao> im sorry
2025-09-10 00:55:41 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-09-10 00:57:00 +0200 <EvanR> is jsaddle an improbably obscure reference to "haskell on a horse"
2025-09-10 00:57:37 +0200 <monochrom> Heh, how does haskell get in there?
2025-09-10 00:58:25 +0200Sgeo(~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo
2025-09-10 00:58:47 +0200Googulator(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-217b-fd1e-c506-2528-080c.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-09-10 00:58:52 +0200 <EvanR> it's some thing that facilitates haskell for web
2025-09-10 00:59:04 +0200Googulator(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-217b-fd1e-c506-2528-080c.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-09-10 01:00:20 +0200 <geekosaur> ruby on rails, cobol on cogs, haskell on a horse
2025-09-10 01:00:27 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2025-09-10 01:00:37 +0200 <EvanR> intercal on interstates
2025-09-10 01:00:47 +0200 <monochrom> But then I would expect "hsaddle". :)
2025-09-10 01:01:12 +0200 <geekosaur> I think it's actually saddling Javascript for use with Haskell via ghcjs/the JS backend
2025-09-10 01:01:17 +0200 <Lycurgus> did i imagine a ghcjs oder?
2025-09-10 01:01:52 +0200 <EvanR> ok javascript is the horse
2025-09-10 01:01:57 +0200 <monochrom> May I distort this thing completely and imagine "j in Spanish is like h in English"? >:)
2025-09-10 01:02:10 +0200 <EvanR> no that explains it
2025-09-10 01:02:13 +0200 <geekosaur> harder h, though
2025-09-10 01:02:21 +0200 <monochrom> Jasquell
2025-09-10 01:02:38 +0200 <EvanR> I never learned haskell only HQuery
2025-09-10 01:03:15 +0200 <Lycurgus> https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs
2025-09-10 01:03:38 +0200 <Lycurgus> just died out igess
2025-09-10 01:05:35 +0200 <Lycurgus> went to ill conceived idea heaven
2025-09-10 01:05:49 +0200raym(~ray@user/raym) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2025-09-10 01:05:57 +0200 <EvanR> ghcjs was an ill conceived idea and died out?
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2025-09-10 01:06:15 +0200 <jackdk> Isn't there a JS and a WASM backend in mainline GHC now?
2025-09-10 01:07:03 +0200 <geekosaur> more correctly, all its devs moved over to developing ghc's JS backend
2025-09-10 01:07:39 +0200 <geekosaur> because trying to upgrade ghcjs past 8.10 was too much of a nightmare
2025-09-10 01:07:48 +0200 <Lycurgus> so it could hook up with another ill concieved thing igess (wasm)
2025-09-10 01:08:04 +0200 <EvanR> ill advised
2025-09-10 01:08:05 +0200Lord_of_Life(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine)
2025-09-10 01:08:19 +0200 <Lycurgus> same deal
2025-09-10 01:08:29 +0200 <int-e> There is a wasm backend in mainline GHC. I don't think the JS backend is in there, but that's fine; the WASM one largely supersedes it anyway.
2025-09-10 01:08:41 +0200 <geekosaur> JS is in there
2025-09-10 01:08:45 +0200 <int-e> where?
2025-09-10 01:08:55 +0200 <Lycurgus> unless u think an idea is good if it looks or sounds good
2025-09-10 01:09:16 +0200 <Lycurgus> if sex ka-ching or whatever
2025-09-10 01:09:17 +0200 <int-e> Oh I'm too stupid to search. ./compiler/GHC/StgToJS.hs
2025-09-10 01:09:24 +0200 <Lycurgus> *sez
2025-09-10 01:09:29 +0200 <geekosaur> right
2025-09-10 01:10:42 +0200 <int-e> geekosaur: thanks
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2025-09-10 01:11:56 +0200 <geekosaur> sorry, I had a link but my sister called me out of the blue
2025-09-10 01:12:06 +0200 <geekosaur> https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/tree/master/compiler/GHC/StgToJS?ref_type=heads
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2025-09-10 05:26:00 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2025-09-10 05:35:38 +0200ryanbooker(uid4340@id-4340.hampstead.irccloud.com) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2025-09-10 05:36:34 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-09-10 05:43:34 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2025-09-10 05:50:47 +0200haritz(~hrtz@user/haritz) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in)
2025-09-10 05:53:33 +0200segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@23-93-74-222.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net)
2025-09-10 05:54:37 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-09-10 05:57:55 +0200segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@23-93-74-222.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2025-09-10 05:59:21 +0200koz(~koz@121.99.240.58)
2025-09-10 05:59:26 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:08:39 +0200pabs3(~pabs3@user/pabs3) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:09:31 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-54-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-09-10 06:10:29 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-09-10 06:11:06 +0200pabs3(~pabs3@user/pabs3) pabs3
2025-09-10 06:12:03 +0200trickard_(~trickard@cpe-54-98-47-163.wireline.com.au)
2025-09-10 06:15:33 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:17:12 +0200michalz(~michalz@185.246.207.200)
2025-09-10 06:26:11 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-09-10 06:31:06 +0200hook54321(sid149355@user/hook54321) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:31:10 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:32:03 +0200b20n(sid115913@id-115913.uxbridge.irccloud.com) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2025-09-10 06:32:29 +0200b20n(sid115913@id-115913.uxbridge.irccloud.com) b20n
2025-09-10 06:32:39 +0200NiKaN(sid385034@id-385034.helmsley.irccloud.com) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:32:39 +0200Adeon(sid418992@id-418992.lymington.irccloud.com) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:32:51 +0200potato44(uid421314@id-421314.lymington.irccloud.com) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:32:51 +0200jonrh(sid5185@id-5185.ilkley.irccloud.com) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:33:10 +0200tapas(sid467876@id-467876.ilkley.irccloud.com) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:33:10 +0200coldmountain(sid484352@id-484352.helmsley.irccloud.com) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:33:21 +0200Adeon(sid418992@id-418992.lymington.irccloud.com) Adeon
2025-09-10 06:33:30 +0200jonrh(sid5185@id-5185.ilkley.irccloud.com) jonrh
2025-09-10 06:33:41 +0200bw(sid2730@user/betawaffle) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:33:41 +0200S11001001(sid42510@id-42510.ilkley.irccloud.com) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:33:41 +0200degraafk(sid71464@id-71464.lymington.irccloud.com) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:34:02 +0200hook54321(sid149355@user/hook54321) hook54321
2025-09-10 06:34:19 +0200potato44(uid421314@id-421314.lymington.irccloud.com) potato44
2025-09-10 06:34:43 +0200S11001001(sid42510@id-42510.ilkley.irccloud.com) S11001001
2025-09-10 06:34:58 +0200bw(sid2730@user/betawaffle) betawaffle
2025-09-10 06:35:03 +0200coldmountain(sid484352@id-484352.helmsley.irccloud.com) coldmountain
2025-09-10 06:35:20 +0200NiKaN(sid385034@id-385034.helmsley.irccloud.com) NiKaN
2025-09-10 06:35:29 +0200chromoblob(~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:35:42 +0200chromoblob(~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0
2025-09-10 06:36:07 +0200tapas(sid467876@id-467876.ilkley.irccloud.com) tapas
2025-09-10 06:36:21 +0200degraafk(sid71464@id-71464.lymington.irccloud.com) degraafk
2025-09-10 06:41:27 +0200segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@23-93-74-222.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net)
2025-09-10 06:41:58 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-09-10 06:45:49 +0200segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@23-93-74-222.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:46:36 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-09-10 06:49:06 +0200takuan(~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be)