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2025-07-17 00:41:00 +0200 <Unicorn_Princess> in cases where both work, do you prefer case expressions, or just function definition pattern matching? (e.g. f (Just x) = .., f Nothing = ..)
2025-07-17 00:41:22 +0200machinedgod(~machinedg@d75-159-126-101.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod
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2025-07-17 00:43:24 +0200 <geekosaur> the latter
2025-07-17 00:43:39 +0200 <Unicorn_Princess> any reason?
2025-07-17 00:45:11 +0200 <Unicorn_Princess> personally i guess i don't like repeating the function name, but on the other hand, it is conceptually simpler..
2025-07-17 00:45:18 +0200Angelz(Angelz@Angelz.oddprotocol.org)
2025-07-17 00:45:33 +0200falafel(~falafel@79.117.174.28) falafel
2025-07-17 00:45:50 +0200 <geekosaur> most people consider it writing what you mean, although I will add the observation that it's only true if you're used to mathematical notation
2025-07-17 00:45:58 +0200 <geekosaur> where functions are often defined that way
2025-07-17 00:46:26 +0200 <geekosaur> you might have nnoticed that the mathies kinda rule in the Haskell realm 🙂
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2025-07-17 00:56:12 +0200 <Unicorn_Princess> makes sense, thanks
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2025-07-17 00:58:54 +0200 <jackdk> `f = \case ...` (Requires `{-# LANGUAGE LambdaCase #-}`
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2025-07-17 10:07:04 +0200 <haskellman> Hello everyone, what is the best way to generate complex datastructures randomly s.t. I can compose them and whatever ?
2025-07-17 10:07:19 +0200lxsameer(~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) lxsameer
2025-07-17 10:08:47 +0200 <tomsmeding> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hedgehog-1.5/docs/Hedgehog-Gen.html ; https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/QuickCheck-2.16.0.0/docs/Test-QuickCheck.html
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2025-07-17 14:52:49 +0200 <mreh> is there a way to use a type constructor with an existential type in a smart constructor?
2025-07-17 14:53:10 +0200 <merijn> mreh: Not quite sure what you mean?
2025-07-17 14:53:13 +0200 <mreh> toVertexArray b@(BufferReadOnly _ l _) = VertexArray b l 0
2025-07-17 14:53:14 +0200 <mreh> toVertexArray b@(BufferWritable _ _ _ l _ _ _ _) = VertexArray b l 0
2025-07-17 14:53:35 +0200 <mreh> the b in `VertexArray` is an existential (forall b.)
2025-07-17 14:54:08 +0200 <mreh> well, it's actually forall r. Buffer r a
2025-07-17 14:54:40 +0200 <mreh> and the type of toVertexArray :: Buffer r a -> VertexArray a
2025-07-17 14:55:00 +0200 <mreh> but GHC isn't allowing me to do this
2025-07-17 14:56:12 +0200 <mreh> "Could not deduce r ~ 'ReadOnly..."
2025-07-17 14:56:25 +0200 <merijn> Can you make a paste with the relevant types/constructors?
2025-07-17 14:56:30 +0200 <mreh> sure
2025-07-17 14:56:50 +0200 <mreh> @paste
2025-07-17 14:56:50 +0200 <lambdabot> A pastebin: https://paste.debian.net/
2025-07-17 14:58:09 +0200 <mreh> merijn: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7246d262/
2025-07-17 14:58:59 +0200 <merijn> mreh: At first glance that's not existential, it's Rank2
2025-07-17 14:59:15 +0200 <merijn> mreh: that is, you're explicitly declaring the buffer to be polymorphic in `r`
2025-07-17 14:59:18 +0200Frostillicus(~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
2025-07-17 14:59:50 +0200 <merijn> And I'm guessing BufferReadOnly/BufferWritable actually have a specific `r` (you didn't include them)
2025-07-17 15:00:03 +0200 <mreh> merijn: yes
2025-07-17 15:00:41 +0200 <mreh> I'll paste the error message
2025-07-17 15:01:10 +0200 <merijn> mreh: If you want an existential the forall r should be in front of VertexArray
2025-07-17 15:01:35 +0200 <merijn> data VertexArray a = forall r . VertexArray { ... }
2025-07-17 15:01:54 +0200 <mreh> merijn: aha
2025-07-17 15:02:23 +0200 <mreh> brainfart
2025-07-17 15:02:25 +0200 <merijn> mreh: Your current definition is declaring `vertexArrayBuffer` as a Rank2 type
2025-07-17 15:04:37 +0200 <mreh> merijn: thanks
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2025-07-17 15:32:35 +0200 <ski> mreh : i'm guessing `Buffer r a' is a GADT, having `r' as index
2025-07-17 15:33:50 +0200bcksl(~bcksl@user/bcksl) bcksl
2025-07-17 15:34:27 +0200 <ski> "declaring `vertexArrayBuffer` as a Rank2 type" -- no, declaring `VertexArray' as being rank-2 (a `PolymorhicComponents' `data' constructor). `vertexArrayBuffer' itself is merely a polymorphic (so rank-1) field of that constructor
2025-07-17 15:35:36 +0200 <ski> mreh : it's not totally clear to me, but i do suspect that you actually want an existential (field) here, rather than a polymorphic field
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2025-07-17 15:37:37 +0200 <ski> hm .. yea, i think so, because you can't have the data constructor of `Buffer' selected, depend on which `r' is being selected
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2025-07-17 15:40:18 +0200 <ski> doing an existential, should also let the current code of `toVertexArray' through (i was thinking of adapting it, for the polymorphic field case)
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2025-07-17 15:46:12 +0200 <ski> Unicorn_Princess : the latter, generally. because (in the absense of overlapping patterns (or guards)) you can then understand defining equations of the operation separately as true statements about the operation (so you can reason more declaratively, in smaller chunks). some people prefer avoiding repeating (other) parameters, though, as so prefer the `case'-`of' (or `\case' or `\cases'). a third option is
2025-07-17 15:46:17 +0200tinjamin4(~tinjamin@banshee.h4x0r.space)
2025-07-17 15:46:18 +0200 <ski> defining a local function in `where' (or `let'-`in'), and have that deal with the branching, without repeating the other parameters. that requires inventing a new name for that function, though
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2025-07-17 16:23:34 +0200 <mreh> ski: yes it's a GADT
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2025-07-17 16:30:38 +0200 <ski> mreh : you got it working, with switching to using an existential field ?
2025-07-17 16:33:13 +0200 <mreh> ski: yeah, I don't need any of the type information at this point, and I can use eliminators and getter functions for the different kinds of buffer
2025-07-17 16:34:09 +0200 <mreh> eliminators are a bit clunky, but it's worth it for the improved ergonomics of using an existential
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2025-07-17 16:35:20 +0200 <mreh> otherwise I guess I'd need a wrapper around the GADT to descriminate between the two kinds of buffer
2025-07-17 16:36:35 +0200 <ski> "eliminators", in which sense ?
2025-07-17 16:36:53 +0200 <ski> like non-recursive folds ?
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2025-07-17 16:39:25 +0200 <mreh> ski: like bufferGetB :: Buffer r a -> (forall r. Buffer r a -> b) -> b
2025-07-17 16:39:52 +0200 <mreh> I think that's what they're called, at least that's what I remember them being called in Thinking with Types
2025-07-17 16:40:27 +0200 <ski> right, what i thought. using CPS, converting into the Church encoding
2025-07-17 16:41:29 +0200skiwould call that operation `withBuffer'
2025-07-17 16:42:20 +0200 <mreh> yeah, that's what I called it actually :)
2025-07-17 16:42:21 +0200 <ski> ah, actually `withVertexArray' (pretty sure you mean `VertexArray a ->', not `Buffer r a ->')
2025-07-17 16:42:26 +0200 <mreh> I was writing it from memory
2025-07-17 16:42:46 +0200 <mreh> yes
2025-07-17 16:44:06 +0200 <mreh> I'm kinda porting gpipe to Vulkan if anyone was wondering what I'm doing
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2025-07-17 16:50:47 +0200 <ski> there's two ways to represent/encode an existential, like `exists q. ({-empty :: -} q,{- enqueue :: -} a -> q -> q,{- dequeue :: -} q -> Maybe (q,a))', in Haskell
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2025-07-17 16:52:03 +0200 <ski> (a) the "existential `data' (constructor)" representation `Queue a', with `data Queue a where MkQ :: (exists q. (q,a -> q -> q,q -> Maybe (q,a))) -> Queue a' refactoring into `data Queue a where MkQ :: forall q. q -> (a -> q -> q) -> (q -> Maybe (q,a)) -> Queue a', which is the same as `data Queue = forall q. MkQ q (a -> q -> q) (q -> Maybe (q,a))' (the `forall' is because the `MkQ' `data' constructor
2025-07-17 16:52:09 +0200 <ski> becomes polymorphic in `q', while `q' is not mentioned in the return type)
2025-07-17 16:52:48 +0200AlexZenon(~alzenon@178.34.150.30) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-07-17 16:53:15 +0200 <ski> (b) the "Church / CPS encoding" `forall o. ((exists q. (q,a -> q -> q,q -> Maybe (q,a))) -> o) -> o', refactoring into `forall o. (forall q. q -> (a -> q -> q) -> (q -> Maybe (q,a)) -> o) -> o' (again, the `forall q.' is because the callback/continuation needs to be polymorphic, needs to be prepared to handle *any* `q' that might *exist* inside the queue)
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2025-07-17 16:54:46 +0200 <ski> both of these derivations use the logical law that `(exists a. ..a..) -> ...' is equivalent to `forall a. (..a.. -> ...)' (e.g. `length :: (exists a. [a]) -> Int' is a valid way to think about `length'. as long as there *exists* some type `a' such that the input is a list of `a's, `length' will return an `Int')
2025-07-17 16:56:39 +0200AlexZenon(~alzenon@178.34.150.25)
2025-07-17 16:56:57 +0200 <ski> the second derivation also using the "CPS"/"Church" equivalence between `...' and `forall o. (... -> o) -> o'. (there is also a (dual) "State (in context)" equivalence between `...' and `exists s. (s,s -> ...)')
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2025-07-17 16:59:51 +0200 <ski> (these two are special cases of `f (...)' being equivalent to `forall o. (... -> o) -> f o' (Yoneda), and `f (...)' being equivalent to `exists s. (f s,s -> ...)' (Coyoneda), when `f' is a (covariant) functor (for contravariant, you flip the (inner) arrow))
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2025-07-17 17:06:18 +0200 <ski> (for the recursive case, we have (least fixed point, finite depth) `mu r. ..r..' (e.g. `mu r. Maybe (a,r)' corresponding to `List a' where `newtype List a = MkL (Maybe (a,List a))' or `data List a = Nil | Cons a (List a)') being equivalent to `forall r. (..r.. -> r) -> r'; and (greatest fixed point, (potentially) infinite depth) `nu s. ..s..' (e.g. `nu s. Either (a -> s) (b,s)' corresponding to `StreamProc a
2025-07-17 17:06:24 +0200 <ski> b' where `newtype StreamProc a b = MkSP (Either (a -> StreamProc a b) (b,StreamProc a b))' or `data StreamProc a b = Get (a -> StreamProc a b) | Put b (StreamProc a b)'))
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2025-07-17 17:06:51 +0200 <ski> mreh : anyway, your `withVertexArray' converts from the (a) to the (b) representation
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2025-07-17 18:28:56 +0200 <mreh> ski: thanks, I'll read up on this
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2025-07-17 19:38:42 +0200 <ski> mreh : if you have any questions/ponderings, feel free to ask
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2025-07-17 20:24:52 +0200 <[exa]> so I have a convenience patternmatch to process and type-unify many variables at once, basically as [a,b,c,d,e,f] <- traverse someaction [x,y,z,u,v,w]; and ghc is complaining about incomplete patternmatches. Is there any good replacement for this to prevent the warning? (I want to avoid silencing the warnings with config)
2025-07-17 20:26:17 +0200 <[exa]> (oh wait my case is actually in a let-binding, but the issue holds)
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2025-07-17 20:41:15 +0200 <c_wraith> Use a fixed-size type instead of a list
2025-07-17 20:43:29 +0200 <c_wraith> data V6 a = V6 a a a a a a deriving Traversable
2025-07-17 20:43:50 +0200 <[exa]> hm yeah that sounds okay
2025-07-17 20:43:58 +0200 <[exa]> didn't see it
2025-07-17 20:44:00 +0200 <[exa]> thanks
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2025-07-17 21:33:54 +0200 <[exa]> btw anyone here succeeded debianizing a cabal package? (I'm debugging an issue with cabal-debian, for some reason dh can't find the executable it has built)
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