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2025-07-17 00:41:00 +0200 <Unicorn_Princess> in cases where both work, do you prefer case expressions, or just function definition pattern matching? (e.g. f (Just x) = .., f Nothing = ..)
2025-07-17 00:41:22 +0200machinedgod(~machinedg@d75-159-126-101.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod
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2025-07-17 00:43:24 +0200 <geekosaur> the latter
2025-07-17 00:43:39 +0200 <Unicorn_Princess> any reason?
2025-07-17 00:45:11 +0200 <Unicorn_Princess> personally i guess i don't like repeating the function name, but on the other hand, it is conceptually simpler..
2025-07-17 00:45:18 +0200Angelz(Angelz@Angelz.oddprotocol.org)
2025-07-17 00:45:33 +0200falafel(~falafel@79.117.174.28) falafel
2025-07-17 00:45:50 +0200 <geekosaur> most people consider it writing what you mean, although I will add the observation that it's only true if you're used to mathematical notation
2025-07-17 00:45:58 +0200 <geekosaur> where functions are often defined that way
2025-07-17 00:46:26 +0200 <geekosaur> you might have nnoticed that the mathies kinda rule in the Haskell realm 🙂
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2025-07-17 00:56:12 +0200 <Unicorn_Princess> makes sense, thanks
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2025-07-17 00:58:54 +0200 <jackdk> `f = \case ...` (Requires `{-# LANGUAGE LambdaCase #-}`
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2025-07-17 10:07:04 +0200 <haskellman> Hello everyone, what is the best way to generate complex datastructures randomly s.t. I can compose them and whatever ?
2025-07-17 10:07:19 +0200lxsameer(~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) lxsameer
2025-07-17 10:08:47 +0200 <tomsmeding> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hedgehog-1.5/docs/Hedgehog-Gen.html ; https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/QuickCheck-2.16.0.0/docs/Test-QuickCheck.html
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2025-07-17 14:52:49 +0200 <mreh> is there a way to use a type constructor with an existential type in a smart constructor?
2025-07-17 14:53:10 +0200 <merijn> mreh: Not quite sure what you mean?
2025-07-17 14:53:13 +0200 <mreh> toVertexArray b@(BufferReadOnly _ l _) = VertexArray b l 0
2025-07-17 14:53:14 +0200 <mreh> toVertexArray b@(BufferWritable _ _ _ l _ _ _ _) = VertexArray b l 0
2025-07-17 14:53:35 +0200 <mreh> the b in `VertexArray` is an existential (forall b.)
2025-07-17 14:54:08 +0200 <mreh> well, it's actually forall r. Buffer r a
2025-07-17 14:54:40 +0200 <mreh> and the type of toVertexArray :: Buffer r a -> VertexArray a
2025-07-17 14:55:00 +0200 <mreh> but GHC isn't allowing me to do this
2025-07-17 14:56:12 +0200 <mreh> "Could not deduce r ~ 'ReadOnly..."
2025-07-17 14:56:25 +0200 <merijn> Can you make a paste with the relevant types/constructors?
2025-07-17 14:56:30 +0200 <mreh> sure
2025-07-17 14:56:50 +0200 <mreh> @paste
2025-07-17 14:56:50 +0200 <lambdabot> A pastebin: https://paste.debian.net/
2025-07-17 14:58:09 +0200 <mreh> merijn: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/7246d262/
2025-07-17 14:58:59 +0200 <merijn> mreh: At first glance that's not existential, it's Rank2
2025-07-17 14:59:15 +0200 <merijn> mreh: that is, you're explicitly declaring the buffer to be polymorphic in `r`
2025-07-17 14:59:18 +0200Frostillicus(~Frostilli@pool-71-174-119-69.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
2025-07-17 14:59:50 +0200 <merijn> And I'm guessing BufferReadOnly/BufferWritable actually have a specific `r` (you didn't include them)
2025-07-17 15:00:03 +0200 <mreh> merijn: yes
2025-07-17 15:00:41 +0200 <mreh> I'll paste the error message
2025-07-17 15:01:10 +0200 <merijn> mreh: If you want an existential the forall r should be in front of VertexArray
2025-07-17 15:01:35 +0200 <merijn> data VertexArray a = forall r . VertexArray { ... }
2025-07-17 15:01:54 +0200 <mreh> merijn: aha
2025-07-17 15:02:23 +0200 <mreh> brainfart
2025-07-17 15:02:25 +0200 <merijn> mreh: Your current definition is declaring `vertexArrayBuffer` as a Rank2 type
2025-07-17 15:04:37 +0200 <mreh> merijn: thanks
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2025-07-17 15:32:35 +0200 <ski> mreh : i'm guessing `Buffer r a' is a GADT, having `r' as index
2025-07-17 15:33:50 +0200bcksl(~bcksl@user/bcksl) bcksl
2025-07-17 15:34:27 +0200 <ski> "declaring `vertexArrayBuffer` as a Rank2 type" -- no, declaring `VertexArray' as being rank-2 (a `PolymorhicComponents' `data' constructor). `vertexArrayBuffer' itself is merely a polymorphic (so rank-1) field of that constructor
2025-07-17 15:35:36 +0200 <ski> mreh : it's not totally clear to me, but i do suspect that you actually want an existential (field) here, rather than a polymorphic field
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2025-07-17 15:37:37 +0200 <ski> hm .. yea, i think so, because you can't have the data constructor of `Buffer' selected, depend on which `r' is being selected
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2025-07-17 15:40:18 +0200 <ski> doing an existential, should also let the current code of `toVertexArray' through (i was thinking of adapting it, for the polymorphic field case)
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2025-07-17 15:46:12 +0200 <ski> Unicorn_Princess : the latter, generally. because (in the absense of overlapping patterns (or guards)) you can then understand defining equations of the operation separately as true statements about the operation (so you can reason more declaratively, in smaller chunks). some people prefer avoiding repeating (other) parameters, though, as so prefer the `case'-`of' (or `\case' or `\cases'). a third option is
2025-07-17 15:46:17 +0200tinjamin4(~tinjamin@banshee.h4x0r.space)
2025-07-17 15:46:18 +0200 <ski> defining a local function in `where' (or `let'-`in'), and have that deal with the branching, without repeating the other parameters. that requires inventing a new name for that function, though
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