| 2025-09-03 00:00:55 +0200 | trickard_ | trickard |
| 2025-09-03 00:01:07 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
| 2025-09-03 00:04:25 +0200 | __monty__ | (~toonn@user/toonn) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2025-09-03 00:05:12 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
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| 2025-09-03 00:08:34 +0200 | rekahsoft | (~rekahsoft@bras-base-orllon1103w-grc-15-174-95-4-83.dsl.bell.ca) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2025-09-03 00:09:06 +0200 | ljdarj | (~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj |
| 2025-09-03 00:10:39 +0200 | rekahsoft | (~rekahsoft@174.95.4.83) rekahsoft |
| 2025-09-03 00:16:34 +0200 | gabriel_sevecek | (~gabriel@188-167-229-200.dynamic.chello.sk) (Quit: WeeChat 4.7.0) |
| 2025-09-03 00:19:08 +0200 | gabriel_sevecek | (~gabriel@188-167-229-200.dynamic.chello.sk) gabriel_sevecek |
| 2025-09-03 00:19:16 +0200 | tomboy64 | (~tomboy64@user/tomboy64) tomboy64 |
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| 2025-09-03 00:21:28 +0200 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) arandombit |
| 2025-09-03 00:28:34 +0200 | Lycurgus | ColinRobinson |
| 2025-09-03 00:29:03 +0200 | ColinRobinson | (~juan@user/Lycurgus) (Changing host) |
| 2025-09-03 00:29:03 +0200 | ColinRobinson | (~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) JuanDaugherty |
| 2025-09-03 00:29:12 +0200 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-172-222-149-049.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
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| 2025-09-03 00:33:05 +0200 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine) |
| 2025-09-03 00:34:09 +0200 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
| 2025-09-03 00:36:39 +0200 | ttybitnik | (~ttybitnik@user/wolper) (Quit: Fading out...) |
| 2025-09-03 00:37:58 +0200 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex |
| 2025-09-03 00:41:53 +0200 | Tuplanolla | (~Tuplanoll@91-159-69-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Tuplanolla |
| 2025-09-03 00:42:47 +0200 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) Sgeo |
| 2025-09-03 00:46:37 +0200 | ColinRobinson | (~juan@user/JuanDaugherty) (Quit: alsoknownas.renjuan.org ( juan@acm.org )) |
| 2025-09-03 00:47:03 +0200 | <EvanR> | this centralized chat thing is so unreliable |
| 2025-09-03 00:47:03 +0200 | Vq | (~vq@81-226-147-244-no600.tbcn.telia.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-09-03 00:47:25 +0200 | <EvanR> | somebody should invent a distributed set of relays which routes internet chat |
| 2025-09-03 00:49:56 +0200 | Arsen | (arsen@gentoo/developer/managarm.dev.Arsen) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2025-09-03 00:55:17 +0200 | <TMA> | EvanR: there are some such routing schemes. I guess they are even more unreliable |
| 2025-09-03 00:56:24 +0200 | pierrot | (~pi@user/pierrot) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - http://znc.in) |
| 2025-09-03 00:56:44 +0200 | pierrot | (~pi@user/pierrot) pierrot |
| 2025-09-03 00:56:55 +0200 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine) |
| 2025-09-03 00:57:35 +0200 | <EvanR> | you're right, would never work |
| 2025-09-03 00:59:26 +0200 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
| 2025-09-03 01:05:03 +0200 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@syn-172-222-149-049.res.spectrum.com) peterbecich |
| 2025-09-03 01:10:05 +0200 | mange | (~mange@user/mange) mange |
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| 2025-09-03 01:31:30 +0200 | jespada | (~jespada@2800:a4:2234:6500:1986:c97a:a8b1:bed2) jespada |
| 2025-09-03 01:45:46 +0200 | <monochrom> | Everything is unreliable. >:) |
| 2025-09-03 01:46:16 +0200 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) user363627 |
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| 2025-09-03 02:50:19 +0200 | emergence | (thelounge@vm0.max-p.me) (Quit: emergence) |
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| 2025-09-03 02:58:29 +0200 | jmcantrell_ | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell |
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| 2025-09-03 03:40:33 +0200 | trickard_ | trickard |
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| 2025-09-03 04:56:36 +0200 | Katarushisu | (~Katarushi@finc-20-b2-v4wan-169598-cust1799.vm7.cable.virginm.net) Katarushisu |
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| 2025-09-03 06:14:39 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) |
| 2025-09-03 06:14:53 +0200 | trickard_ | (~trickard@cpe-51-98-47-163.wireline.com.au) |
| 2025-09-03 06:18:07 +0200 | poscat | (~poscat@user/poscat) poscat |
| 2025-09-03 06:19:39 +0200 | poscat0x04 | (~poscat@user/poscat) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-09-03 06:20:33 +0200 | michalz | (~michalz@185.246.207.203) |
| 2025-09-03 06:28:08 +0200 | <sm> | "we're having to do a full 55TB DB snapshot restore from last night, which will take >10h to recover the data, and then >4h to actually restore, and then >3h to catch up on missing traffic. Huge apologies for the outage. Again, folks using their own homeservers are not impacted." |
| 2025-09-03 06:29:20 +0200 | <sm> | so uh.. yay for fallback systems! |
| 2025-09-03 06:31:16 +0200 | <sm> | another: https://mastodon.matrix.org/@matrix |
| 2025-09-03 06:36:33 +0200 | trickard_ | trickard |
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| 2025-09-03 06:49:23 +0200 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) arandombit |
| 2025-09-03 06:51:35 +0200 | chiselfuse | (~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse) (Remote host closed the connection) |
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| 2025-09-03 06:52:02 +0200 | tomboy64 | (~tomboy64@user/tomboy64) tomboy64 |
| 2025-09-03 06:52:10 +0200 | chiselfuse | (~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse) chiselfuse |
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| 2025-09-03 06:54:34 +0200 | Frostillicus | (~Frostilli@71.174.119.69) |
| 2025-09-03 06:58:04 +0200 | <sm> | re matrix decentralisation.. I found you can easily sign up with a different matrix homeserver at http://joinmatrix.org , but you can't join a room that was created on matrix.org, unless (presumably) someone on the alternate server had previously joined it and caused it to be mirrored |
| 2025-09-03 07:04:18 +0200 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) (Remote host closed the connection) |
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| 2025-09-03 07:05:02 +0200 | earthy | (~arthurvl@2a02-a469-f5e2-1-83d2-ca43-57a2-dc81.fixed6.kpn.net) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
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| 2025-09-03 07:16:51 +0200 | takuan | (~takuan@d8D86B9E9.access.telenet.be) |
| 2025-09-03 07:17:15 +0200 | <sm> | even then, it tends not to work. True decentralisation is hard. |
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| 2025-09-03 07:28:52 +0200 | Maeda | (~Maeda@91-161-10-149.subs.proxad.net) Maeda |
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| 2025-09-03 08:07:29 +0200 | Katarushisu8 | Katarushisu |
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| 2025-09-03 08:14:55 +0200 | <probie> | sm: Is it? Email seems to work pretty reliably |
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| 2025-09-03 08:31:46 +0200 | <sm> | of real-time chat, I meant. Yes email works pretty well |
| 2025-09-03 08:33:12 +0200 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:3487:1b00:41bc:975b:4e15:a306) |
| 2025-09-03 08:41:28 +0200 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
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| 2025-09-03 08:43:05 +0200 | trickard_ | trickard |
| 2025-09-03 08:43:15 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Email is completely different from matrix, nothing in common except that both allow humans to exchange text |
| 2025-09-03 08:45:09 +0200 | <sm> | FWIW, here's how to join a matrix room when its homeserver is down - if OTHERSERVER has it synced: https://matrix.to/#/!ROOMID?via=OTHERSERVER |
| 2025-09-03 08:45:29 +0200 | <sm> | Eg https://matrix.to/#/!hskonBonfjiIefqLUV:matrix.org?via=envs.net for the Haskell room via envs.net homeserver |
| 2025-09-03 08:48:57 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Yeah you can join via another HS and it should eventually catch with m.org when it goes up again. Thats the beauty of decentralized services. Matrix is far from perfect but i dont see anyone with anything better |
| 2025-09-03 08:48:59 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> +up |
| 2025-09-03 08:50:27 +0200 | <sm> | it was pretty hard to find this out, matrix clients can improve |
| 2025-09-03 08:51:24 +0200 | <sm> | if clients handled it better, it would feel pretty much like an IRC net split |
| 2025-09-03 08:53:08 +0200 | <sm> | rather than a total outage |
| 2025-09-03 08:54:54 +0200 | arandombit | (~arandombi@2603:7000:4600:ffbe:8c82:5f1d:5114:2a6f) |
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| 2025-09-03 08:54:54 +0200 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) arandombit |
| 2025-09-03 08:57:31 +0200 | chromoblob | (~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-09-03 08:59:05 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> I do think that most complaints about matrix are actually the clients fault. Yes split brains do happen, spam is a problem. But the most glaring user facing issues are shitty clients |
| 2025-09-03 08:59:22 +0200 | chromoblob | (~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) chromoblob\0 |
| 2025-09-03 09:00:03 +0200 | caconym747 | (~caconym@user/caconym) (Quit: bye) |
| 2025-09-03 09:00:44 +0200 | caconym747 | (~caconym@user/caconym) caconym |
| 2025-09-03 09:01:18 +0200 | <sm> | I agree they could provide much better UX in many cases. Even if it's just "current matrix protocol doesn't allow this to work; info: URL, for now do: X |
| 2025-09-03 09:02:25 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Mhm, were in the realm of the general free software UI/UX problem. Not many UX/UI people around |
| 2025-09-03 09:02:35 +0200 | <sm> | probably the high cost of updating and shipping a popular client makes it hard to be agile and detailed |
| 2025-09-03 09:02:48 +0200 | raym | (~ray@user/raym) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2025-09-03 09:03:11 +0200 | <sm> | even for a TUI client, I think the cost is super high |
| 2025-09-03 09:03:50 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> brick tui matrix client when |
| 2025-09-03 09:04:30 +0200 | <sm> | glguy has one maybe ? I forget |
| 2025-09-03 09:06:00 +0200 | chromoblob | (~chromoblo@user/chromob1ot1c) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) |
| 2025-09-03 09:07:42 +0200 | <sm> | messaging clients are a bit like web browsers these days, they are expected to do a LOT |
| 2025-09-03 09:07:59 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Mhm |
| 2025-09-03 09:08:14 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> No wonder most of them are webbrowsers :P |
| 2025-09-03 09:08:18 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Its just convenient |
| 2025-09-03 09:09:40 +0200 | Tuplanolla | (~Tuplanoll@91-159-69-59.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Tuplanolla |
| 2025-09-03 09:09:53 +0200 | <sm> | reconnecting with haskell... simplex is very interesting messaging alternative, written in haskell. Semi decentralised. |
| 2025-09-03 09:10:37 +0200 | <sm> | let me try that again: Simplex Chat is a very interesting alternative messaging system, written in haskell. |
| 2025-09-03 09:13:10 +0200 | <sm> | (Are the clients written in haskell too ? Not sure) |
| 2025-09-03 09:13:57 +0200 | <sm> | AI says yes, the core of them is |
| 2025-09-03 09:14:13 +0200 | xstill_ | (xstill@fimu/xstill) xstill |
| 2025-09-03 09:14:24 +0200 | <sm> | oh well time to do something useful |
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| 2025-09-03 09:33:43 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Simplex is more like signal, not like matrix |
| 2025-09-03 09:33:55 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Matrix is more like irc than signal |
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| 2025-09-03 13:18:13 +0200 | <dminuoso> | magic_rb: There is also the issue of server complexity. There is only synapse really, and configuring synapse is about as much fun as administering Azure AD/Entra ID. |
| 2025-09-03 13:18:36 +0200 | <dminuoso> | So its not just shitty clients. :-) |
| 2025-09-03 13:19:43 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Plus the protocol choices made it impossible to create simple linear clinets with. |
| 2025-09-03 13:20:34 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Synapse is tbh not that bad, its worse than hedgedoc but much easier than kube |
| 2025-09-03 13:22:04 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Matrix is what happens if you crossed IRC and mailing lists, and did the client with electron using all the SPA UX of a modern web application. |
| 2025-09-03 13:23:36 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> No matrix is what happens if you rewrite irc with a crdt dag |
| 2025-09-03 13:26:40 +0200 | Lord_of_Life_ | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
| 2025-09-03 13:27:37 +0200 | califax | (~califax@user/califx) (Remote host closed the connection) |
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| 2025-09-03 13:29:30 +0200 | Lord_of_Life_ | Lord_of_Life |
| 2025-09-03 13:31:10 +0200 | ubert | (~Thunderbi@2001:871:263:7eb3:cef7:e125:c0d9:e695) ubert |
| 2025-09-03 13:37:12 +0200 | <bwe> | I encounter an `undefined` error in a data constructor. But I don't know where it happens. ghc only throws `undefined`. How can I let ghc show more context? |
| 2025-09-03 13:38:42 +0200 | <dminuoso> | bwe: Run with +RTS -xc (after compiling with -prof and -fprof-auto) |
| 2025-09-03 13:38:54 +0200 | <dminuoso> | And do some praying. |
| 2025-09-03 13:39:28 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Most of the time you get a half usable stack trace. |
| 2025-09-03 13:39:38 +0200 | jespada | (~jespada@2800:a4:2234:6500:1986:c97a:a8b1:bed2) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
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| 2025-09-03 13:41:33 +0200 | <dminuoso> | bwe: The quality largely depends on your code style and how it interacts with -fprof-auto - otherwise you might have to granularly add SCC annotations. |
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| 2025-09-03 13:41:51 +0200 | jespada | (~jespada@2800:a4:2229:b100:e0a4:75ef:98aa:50af) jespada |
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| 2025-09-03 13:42:37 +0200 | <dminuoso> | It's one of the big price points of our execution model that good stack traces are really hard.. :( |
| 2025-09-03 13:43:25 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> With a lot of tiny functions relying on inlining it should produce sensible stack traces right |
| 2025-09-03 13:44:33 +0200 | <dminuoso> | I wonder whether ghci shouldnt be able to instrument the code such that every exception is properly traceable. |
| 2025-09-03 13:45:20 +0200 | <dminuoso> | At first glance it seems easy If we disabled the simplifier |
| 2025-09-03 13:45:46 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> With -prof it disables opts by default |
| 2025-09-03 13:45:56 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> You have to force them back on with -O2 i think |
| 2025-09-03 13:46:14 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Well INLINE is still respected |
| 2025-09-03 13:46:24 +0200 | <dminuoso> | I think the SCC are just optimization barriers? |
| 2025-09-03 13:46:24 +0200 | tv | (~tv@user/tv) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-09-03 13:46:39 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Last time i did -prof it was for heatmaps and without -O2 the result is unusable since no inlining occurs |
| 2025-09-03 13:46:58 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> dminuoso no thats the issue. Inlining deletes SCCs |
| 2025-09-03 13:47:24 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> You have to disable inlining if you want a full stack trace. Enable inlining if youre hunting performance bottlenecks |
| 2025-09-03 13:47:53 +0200 | <dminuoso> | haskellbridge: okay then I consider it a but for -fprof-auto to not SCC annotate INLINE bindings. |
| 2025-09-03 13:48:08 +0200 | <dminuoso> | If -prof already disables that, that's just intentional inconvenience. |
| 2025-09-03 13:48:10 +0200 | Maeda | (~Maeda@91-161-10-149.subs.proxad.net) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2025-09-03 13:48:14 +0200 | <dminuoso> | It makes no sense. |
| 2025-09-03 13:48:27 +0200 | <dminuoso> | s/but/bug/ |
| 2025-09-03 13:51:21 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Idk if i did -prof-auto, but i think so. Im not an expert tho |
| 2025-09-03 13:54:39 +0200 | <bwe> | dminuoso: thx |
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| 2025-09-03 16:00:28 +0200 | <__monty__> | Re my filtering question from yesterday. Pandoc has a Walkable class that gets very close to what I was thinking of. I don't think it quite corresponds to Witherable or Filterable, those don't seem to capture the recursive quality I was looking for. |
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