| 2025-05-07 00:08:46 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-05-07 00:10:21 +0200 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal |
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| 2025-05-07 00:40:21 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-05-07 00:42:12 +0200 | chexum | (~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/chexum) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2025-05-07 00:42:28 +0200 | chexum | (~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/chexum) chexum |
| 2025-05-07 00:42:31 +0200 | <hellwolf> | https://x.com/deusaquilus/status/1919866616331800614 shots fired at monad; why do people keep coming up with syntax just to hide things? |
| 2025-05-07 00:43:22 +0200 | hellwolf | looking at the mirror, but feeling content that it's all {-# LANGUAGE ... #-} to blame. |
| 2025-05-07 00:43:43 +0200 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) bitdex |
| 2025-05-07 00:43:59 +0200 | <EvanR> | IO as an example monad might not be wise, at some point someone questioned if it was even a monad xD |
| 2025-05-07 00:45:18 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-05-07 00:45:43 +0200 | <hellwolf> | does it looks like a monad, and quarks like a monad? |
| 2025-05-07 00:46:05 +0200 | <hellwolf> | (though monad is supposed to be an ugly fish) |
| 2025-05-07 00:46:24 +0200 | <hellwolf> | there is a crypto bro project called monad. but don't look it up, it might ruin your day. |
| 2025-05-07 00:46:45 +0200 | hellwolf | feel self-deprecating about being in the crypto again. |
| 2025-05-07 00:47:55 +0200 | <monochrom> | What is crypto bro? |
| 2025-05-07 00:49:40 +0200 | <hellwolf> | crypto project that has a bro vibe. |
| 2025-05-07 00:50:21 +0200 | drewr | (~drew@user/drewr) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-05-07 00:52:31 +0200 | sayurc | (~sayurc@169.150.203.34) sayurc |
| 2025-05-07 00:53:47 +0200 | <monochrom> | You know, I agree with that post, and take it to its logical conclusion: Just write SQL itself, it is literally 100% better than any encoding of SQL. |
| 2025-05-07 00:55:16 +0200 | gentauro | (~gentauro@user/gentauro) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2025-05-07 00:55:17 +0200 | Lears | (~Leary@user/Leary/x-0910699) Leary |
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| 2025-05-07 00:57:41 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> you still need to deserialize the return types |
| 2025-05-07 00:58:28 +0200 | Leary | (~Leary@user/Leary/x-0910699) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2025-05-07 00:58:52 +0200 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-05-07 00:59:23 +0200 | Lord_of_Life | (~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915) Lord_of_Life |
| 2025-05-07 01:00:36 +0200 | <hellwolf> | So, what do you think of quasiquote template haskell based approach? |
| 2025-05-07 01:00:40 +0200 | <monochrom> | Just for the sake of being the devil's advocate: Why? |
| 2025-05-07 01:00:48 +0200 | Square | (~Square@user/square) Square |
| 2025-05-07 01:01:01 +0200 | vanishingideal | (~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
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| 2025-05-07 01:01:14 +0200 | gentauro | (~gentauro@user/gentauro) gentauro |
| 2025-05-07 01:01:36 +0200 | <hellwolf> | what do you mean? |
| 2025-05-07 01:01:50 +0200 | <monochrom> | Why do I still need to deserialize the return types. |
| 2025-05-07 01:02:15 +0200 | <monochrom> | Deserialize to what, and who needs it, and why. |
| 2025-05-07 01:02:36 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> to Haskell types, I mean, the result of the query |
| 2025-05-07 01:03:01 +0200 | sprout | (~sprout@2a02-a448-3a80-0-c61c-b515-5509-58e7.fixed6.kpn.net) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2025-05-07 01:03:05 +0200 | <monochrom> | Why to Haskell types? Why not get rid of even that Haskell program, for example? |
| 2025-05-07 01:03:48 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> too obviously socratic |
| 2025-05-07 01:04:01 +0200 | <monochrom> | Maybe I should describe one of my use cases. |
| 2025-05-07 01:04:34 +0200 | sprout | (~sprout@84-80-106-227.fixed.kpn.net) sprout |
| 2025-05-07 01:04:56 +0200 | <int-e> | You could simply not answer inane "what do you think of" questions that are asked without motivation or other direction or context that would confine the scope of the answer. |
| 2025-05-07 01:05:34 +0200 | <monochrom> | I have a lot of student marks to process. Various marking platforms give me student marks as CSV. In the past I wrote my own Haskell program with cassava to read, compute, write. But I can see a future where I just use sqlite, in fact even just the sqlite command line. My Haskell program will be obsoleted. |
| 2025-05-07 01:06:22 +0200 | <monochrom> | Read: My role as a Haskell programmer to maintain that Haskell code is also obsoleted. |
| 2025-05-07 01:06:44 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> advantages of such an approach: simplicity. disadvantages of such an approach: how performant is going straight through the database? how safe is using sqlite instead? |
| 2025-05-07 01:06:45 +0200 | <EvanR> | the grass is always greener |
| 2025-05-07 01:06:59 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> If I say "Scanners Live in Vain", would anyone get the reference? |
| 2025-05-07 01:07:11 +0200 | <EvanR> | I keep all my accounts for self employment in sqlite and then came to same conclusion, why? |
| 2025-05-07 01:07:15 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> nope, and that just makes me annoying |
| 2025-05-07 01:07:16 +0200 | <int-e> | . o O ( meet my haymaker ) |
| 2025-05-07 01:07:47 +0200 | <EvanR> | some other thing would have been easier since I wouldn't have to maintain it |
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| 2025-05-07 01:25:10 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> oh, and to fill out the useless reference, "Scanners Live in Vain" refers to a short story by a US army intelligence guy (who was also a disclosed CIA officer after his death) about a fraternity of space pilots who went grueling and dehumanizing hardship to safely chaperone people across worlds. One day, someone invents a technological workaround that renders their job irrelevant, so they connive to have the guy... |
| 2025-05-07 01:25:15 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | ... murdered and his project covered up. Of course, it's a pulp science fiction story, so their plot is foiled, but to some extent it seems relevant to modern software development, no? |
| 2025-05-07 01:25:50 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> /s/ who went/ who went through/ |
| 2025-05-07 01:26:23 +0200 | geekosaur | was afk but knew the reference |
| 2025-05-07 01:26:35 +0200 | <geekosaur> | Vonnegut's first story iirc |
| 2025-05-07 01:26:53 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> no, Cordwainer Smith / Paul Linebarger (real name, wrote under pseudonyms due to the nature of his work) |
| 2025-05-07 01:27:04 +0200 | <geekosaur> | ah, whoops |
| 2025-05-07 01:27:15 +0200 | <geekosaur> | too many old SF shorts writers |
| 2025-05-07 01:29:57 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-05-07 01:33:43 +0200 | <hellwolf> | question to emacs user again: why haskell-mode does not indent function parameters in new lines? |
| 2025-05-07 01:34:03 +0200 | <hellwolf> | *in the next line? not sure how to speak english anymore |
| 2025-05-07 01:34:26 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2025-05-07 01:34:32 +0200 | <hellwolf> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/vDyxr8yb |
| 2025-05-07 01:34:48 +0200 | <hellwolf> | I don't find this default indentation experience (using <tab>) is very nice. |
| 2025-05-07 01:37:28 +0200 | <hellwolf> | just tried out https://ormolu-live.tweag.io to see the difference |
| 2025-05-07 01:38:17 +0200 | <hellwolf> | hmm, not sure I like ormolu one neither, but certainly looks nicer than mine. |
| 2025-05-07 01:42:10 +0200 | j1n37 | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37 |
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| 2025-05-07 01:59:18 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> cool SF reference, and speaking of which, I just found this fine story on HN: |
| 2025-05-07 01:59:18 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/e-m-forster/short-fiction/text/the-machine-stops |
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| 2025-05-07 02:34:08 +0200 | Axma83103 | (~Axman6@user/axman6) Axman6 |
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| 2025-05-07 02:41:11 +0200 | <hellwolf> | today is a good day. after trial and errors, I finally got a working type signature. |
| 2025-05-07 02:41:25 +0200 | hellwolf | can have a sound sleep today. |
| 2025-05-07 02:43:44 +0200 | Square2 | (~Square4@user/square) Square |
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| 2025-05-07 02:56:15 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> congrats |
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| 2025-05-07 02:58:29 +0200 | Axma83103 | Axman6 |
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| 2025-05-07 04:04:33 +0200 | <monochrom> | I don't know why emacs haskell-mode doesn't indent function parameters the way I want. But I take it to be equivalent to "why is my immune system easily fooled by HIV COVID etc" so I don't ask. We already know the answer: "It's complicated". |
| 2025-05-07 04:05:30 +0200 | <monochrom> | Alternatively if you think it's easy to fix then "patched welcome". |
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| 2025-05-07 07:34:27 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/1kg07xh/scrap_your_iteration_combinators/ sm |
| 2025-05-07 07:34:31 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> this is interesting when not taken literally, while I find Tom very nice, he's also a maximalist sometimes. |
| 2025-05-07 07:35:21 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> why not discuss the ideas, not the person |
| 2025-05-07 07:35:33 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> the interesting idea is that effect-scoped for is equivalent to a particular iteration combinator |
| 2025-05-07 07:35:33 +0200 | euleritian | (~euleritia@dynamic-176-006-137-036.176.6.pool.telefonica.de) |
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| 2025-05-07 07:36:13 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> sorry, just a friendly reminder based on past threads. Carry on |
| 2025-05-07 07:36:44 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> which is a natural and a substantial improvement to an imperative language, i guess the struggle is to see when it's applicable to Haskell (not that I'm saying it's never applicable to Haskell) |
| 2025-05-07 07:37:17 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> the maximalism is relevant insofar that I think that if you don't take a maximalist position or try to skim it out of the article, it's a great article |
| 2025-05-07 07:39:45 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I agree it's a fine article |
| 2025-05-07 07:40:54 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I don't find it convincing as general advice for haskell programmers. Or if that's not its goal, I misunderstood it |
| 2025-05-07 07:41:33 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i guess i agree with you there |
| 2025-05-07 07:42:08 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> a lot of maximalist tendencies, you can get along with them, simply by agreeing with them around 80%, or looking for ways for them to be 80% right |
| 2025-05-07 07:42:47 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> then you still get a lot out of it, whereas if you end up becoming a maximalist yourself, going all or nothing, you're liable to throw the baby out with the bathwater |
| 2025-05-07 07:43:08 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2025-05-07 07:43:28 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> I just read it and gave some feedback, no more :) |
| 2025-05-07 07:44:01 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> sorry about that! |
| 2025-05-07 07:45:46 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> no need Liamzee, I just didn't follow the maximalist comments, which is fine |
| 2025-05-07 07:46:24 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> how's your startup going |
| 2025-05-07 07:46:43 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> ehhh, just going to hide doing FOSS for a while |
| 2025-05-07 07:47:01 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> if it goes nowhere at the FOSS stage, I hopefully still have useful work |
| 2025-05-07 07:47:02 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> discussing personalities is sometimes valuable, but usually only when the person in question is part of the discussion and interested to engage |
| 2025-05-07 07:48:28 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> my mistake here, i was just trying to promote a positive reading of tomjaguarpaw's article |
| 2025-05-07 07:48:34 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) |
| 2025-05-07 07:49:24 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | bad ideas usually stand as such on their own wo personal invective |
| 2025-05-07 07:50:10 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | and u could miss a gem they might emit |
| 2025-05-07 07:50:34 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i'm not trying to attack tom, or call his ideas bad |
| 2025-05-07 07:51:01 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | all haskellers are maximalist |
| 2025-05-07 07:51:14 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> JuanDaugherty: are you suggesting to discuss the actual points people make? Ridiculous. Let me look up some of their sh*tposts on X first to discredit them ;) |
| 2025-05-07 07:51:45 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> so, everyone! Is the article Good or Bad ? Shall Tom get a raise or be fired ? https://h2.jaguarpaw.co.uk/posts/scrap-your-iteration-combinators/ |
| 2025-05-07 07:51:48 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | maerwald :) |
| 2025-05-07 07:51:53 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> hey, that's mean |
| 2025-05-07 07:52:03 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> that's a bad way to discuss it |
| 2025-05-07 07:52:07 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> ugh, i regret everything i've said tonight |
| 2025-05-07 07:52:09 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> good night |
| 2025-05-07 07:52:15 +0200 | jmcantrell | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-05-07 07:52:23 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | dismissed prima facie based on title |
| 2025-05-07 07:52:26 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> Liamzee: lol I wasn't referring to you |
| 2025-05-07 07:52:39 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> but this has absolutely happened in our community |
| 2025-05-07 07:53:06 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i mean SM :( |
| 2025-05-07 07:53:49 +0200 | jle` | (~jle`@2603:8001:3b00:11:43a3:4aa5:da69:7d43) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-05-07 07:53:57 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> Liamzee what now ?? I'm sorry if I gave offense, no meanness intended! Since you brought up this article and got me thinking about it, I just hoped to hear a few more opinions |
| 2025-05-07 07:54:16 +0200 | <EvanR> | FIGHT FIGHT |
| 2025-05-07 07:54:22 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | formulas like 'no more X', i turn off from dislike of sales efforts |
| 2025-05-07 07:54:29 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> it's late, we've got to have some fun in here |
| 2025-05-07 07:54:35 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> tom isn't here to defend himself :( |
| 2025-05-07 07:54:40 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i just wanted to defend him :( |
| 2025-05-07 07:54:40 +0200 | jle` | (~jle`@2603:8001:3b00:11::1156) jle` |
| 2025-05-07 07:54:50 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <Liamzee> i think this is a misunderstanding :( |
| 2025-05-07 07:55:00 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> come on now, nobody is attacking him. We love Tom. |
| 2025-05-07 07:55:13 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <sm> he write awesome posts |
| 2025-05-07 07:55:24 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <maerwald> Tom has strong opinions at times, but his reasoning is sharp |
| 2025-05-07 07:55:31 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | well mean is OK just do it on principles not personalities |
| 2025-05-07 07:55:47 +0200 | haskellbridge | sm makes a pot of tea and passes a plate of cakes around |
| 2025-05-07 07:57:05 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | trashing groups is OK, like capitalist knuckleheads |