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2025-04-29 00:00:24 +0200 <int-e> I wonder if it has opinions on WorldCoin
2025-04-29 00:01:16 +0200 <davean> I'
2025-04-29 00:01:29 +0200 <davean> ve started to loath a new trend
2025-04-29 00:01:44 +0200 <davean> In issues, people throwing the thing at ChatGPT or whatever, and "
2025-04-29 00:01:50 +0200 <davean> pasting" its answer as a solution
2025-04-29 00:02:01 +0200 <davean> It make me want to lock the issues and never fix it
2025-04-29 00:02:04 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2025-04-29 00:02:14 +0200 <davean> Its so actively unhelpful I wonder if people are doing it to troll
2025-04-29 00:02:28 +0200 <davean> esp when what it pastes is self-evidently non-helpful
2025-04-29 00:02:35 +0200 <davean> Which, so far, is all I've seen
2025-04-29 00:02:44 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I wouldn't mind if it's something helpful
2025-04-29 00:02:57 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I think I posted one of those myself recently
2025-04-29 00:02:59 +0200 <davean> Its litterly never been, and it mean it kinda obviously won't be?
2025-04-29 00:03:05 +0200 <davean> ... yah, you are one of the people I was thinking of
2025-04-29 00:03:24 +0200 <davean> Yours was a great example of self-evidently not helpful
2025-04-29 00:03:33 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> yikes! where was that
2025-04-29 00:03:38 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> called out on my first attempt 🤣
2025-04-29 00:03:39 +0200 <davean> The wiki one
2025-04-29 00:04:14 +0200 <davean> Where it suggested A) uncommenting a commented out line (How do you think it got commented out in the first place? If yhou had a question, check the git history) and B) generated an invalid CSS statement
2025-04-29 00:04:52 +0200j1n37(~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37
2025-04-29 00:05:16 +0200 <int-e> davean: I understand that it gets worse when there's a monetary incentive (bug bounties)
2025-04-29 00:05:37 +0200 <davean> Oh god, I wouldn't be surprised if it did
2025-04-29 00:05:46 +0200j1n37-(~j1n37@user/j1n37) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-04-29 00:05:51 +0200 <davean> sm: on the plus side, your chatgpt response annyoed someone else enough to just fix it :)
2025-04-29 00:05:54 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> https://github.com/haskell/haskell-wiki-configuration/issues/56#issuecomment-2822104811
2025-04-29 00:06:38 +0200 <davean> sorry, the "A" side was simplified out from you IRC posting, not the full length one.
2025-04-29 00:07:18 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I thought it gave some potentially useful context to my previous (human generated, terse) comment, to someone trying to fix this, and if not, would be easy to ignore.
2025-04-29 00:08:31 +0200 <davean> It made it very evident it was splurting out some tutorial and nothing related to the actual config
2025-04-29 00:08:52 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> to you. Obviously people like me trying to help don't have the same insight
2025-04-29 00:09:12 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I'll me more cautious on this tracker in future
2025-04-29 00:09:16 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> be
2025-04-29 00:09:44 +0200 <davean> The state at that comment was https://github.com/haskell/haskell-wiki-configuration/blob/beb924470357d8cc008a5c8118211066897a48e…
2025-04-29 00:09:45 +0200LainIwakura(~LainIwaku@user/LainIwakura) LainIwakura
2025-04-29 00:09:57 +0200 <davean> You'll note a several line block of it commented out
2025-04-29 00:10:31 +0200 <davean> Someone didn't write all that and comment it out by "accident"
2025-04-29 00:11:27 +0200 <davean> Which is the sort of theory-of-mind ChatGPT seems to seriously lack
2025-04-29 00:11:54 +0200paotsaq(~paotsaq@127.209.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt) paotsaq
2025-04-29 00:11:56 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I pointed that out myself, but didn't know why (there was no explanation)
2025-04-29 00:11:56 +0200 <davean> anyway, sm, you're hardly the worst person with this ever
2025-04-29 00:12:33 +0200 <davean> Oh the CSS side I sohuld finish
2025-04-29 00:12:49 +0200 <davean> it was a CSS directive that targeted displayed text, it clearly mixed up context between display and syntax
2025-04-29 00:12:56 +0200 <davean> anyway, sm, you are HARDLY the worst
2025-04-29 00:13:06 +0200 <davean> Its a real plauge lately though
2025-04-29 00:13:15 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-04-29 00:14:03 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I know that I'm not the worst. I was trying to be helpful. No need to beat up a volunteer for an unhelpful post, I've said I'll be more cautious
2025-04-29 00:15:07 +0200 <davean> For an explanation of why it was commented out, it was commented out because the repo contains the code, but not in a runable state - it requires a specific build procedure to be run before it is a valid extension. As it was just a stylistic display issue I didn't feel like learning a PHP build sytem to get the wiki back online after the great wiki disaster and I hoped something obvious like that
2025-04-29 00:15:09 +0200 <davean> would get anyone to step up and assist since I didn't want to end up owning the wiki just because I rescued it.
2025-04-29 00:15:33 +0200 <davean> tolt happened to find a place they had actually already run the build system though, which made it easy to fix
2025-04-29 00:16:53 +0200 <davean> Hopefully tolt having made a test vm setup thing for it other people might try working on it.
2025-04-29 00:18:14 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2025-04-29 00:19:31 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I became annoyed enough at the 6 month breakage to try to spend some more time helping. Without access or any insight / status reports I couldn't do more than blind research. I'm glad it helped remind people of the problem, even it if was annoying. It's just another github issue.
2025-04-29 00:20:18 +0200 <davean> Hum? That is a full container config for the wiki in that repo
2025-04-29 00:21:13 +0200 <davean> That is litterly the wiki, minutes its data
2025-04-29 00:22:36 +0200 <haskellbridge> <sm> I'm irritated. Sorry, I'll drop this
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2025-04-29 00:34:38 +0200 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> 🫠 tragedy of the gift economy... which needs more cheerleaders
2025-04-29 00:35:12 +0200 <int-e> . o O ( it's spelled "grift" )
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2025-04-29 01:21:39 +0200 <monochrom> darkling: Actually our department chair has also received students' escalated tickets "I answered something but my prof gave me 0". >:)
2025-04-29 01:22:28 +0200 <monochrom> There were 3 such cases and the profs were all different. It is becoming a meme across the board.
2025-04-29 01:23:47 +0200 <int-e> . o O ( I asked ChatGPT and it said I should receive full marks. )
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2025-04-29 01:28:28 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2025-04-29 01:32:34 +0200 <monochrom> Oh yeah have you heard of this old joke: If you think you know everything, you can get a Bachelor's. When you find out you don't know anything, you can get a Master's. When you also find out that your thesis supervisor doesn't know anything either, you can get a PhD.
2025-04-29 01:32:50 +0200 <monochrom> I have upgraded that to a modern version.
2025-04-29 01:33:37 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-04-29 01:33:43 +0200 <monochrom> If you think LLMs know everything, you can get a Bachelor's. When you find out that LLMs don't know anything, you can get a Master's. When you find out that your thesis supervisor is also relying on LLMs, you can get a PhD.
2025-04-29 01:33:46 +0200 <darkling> You learn more and more about less and less, until you know everything about nothing...
2025-04-29 01:34:02 +0200 <darkling> (At which point, they give you a PhD to get rid of you).
2025-04-29 01:35:52 +0200 <darkling> Somewhat glad I'm not in academia any more. Should have got out much earlier. Would have given me more time to get burned out and recover from industry... :/
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2025-04-29 01:46:48 +0200 <EvanR> I would like my Master's now
2025-04-29 01:47:20 +0200 <EvanR> 🫴
2025-04-29 01:47:45 +0200 <darkling> Don't bother. It's not worth it. :)
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2025-04-29 01:48:40 +0200 <monochrom> Nah, Master's is OK, just don't get sucked into PhD. :)
2025-04-29 01:48:42 +0200 <int-e> EvanR: those aren't requirements, they're consequences
2025-04-29 01:49:01 +0200 <int-e> (also it's a joke)
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2025-04-29 01:50:05 +0200 <EvanR> how do you I wasn't joking!
2025-04-29 01:50:09 +0200 <EvanR> know
2025-04-29 01:50:36 +0200 <monochrom> <poker face>Everyone is not joking</poker face>
2025-04-29 01:50:39 +0200 <int-e> EvanR: I don't
2025-04-29 01:51:17 +0200 <EvanR> this joke is serious
2025-04-29 01:51:24 +0200 <int-e> EvanR: I mean, you were clearly joking. But I'm not sure what exactly you were joking about ;-)
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