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2025-04-06 01:47:10 +0200 <EvanR> ikr
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2025-04-06 01:56:20 +0200 <monochrom> The cause of concern is that you will not run your web app on your PC, you will run it on virtual hosting where your budget allows only 0.5GB RAM for example.
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2025-04-06 02:03:54 +0200 <EvanR> on web you have a cosmic struggle between needing to use less resources and just use more resources
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2025-04-06 02:04:40 +0200 <EvanR> web apps used to be written in C!
2025-04-06 02:05:26 +0200 <monochrom> It's not a struggle, it's a synergy! Use less resource on your server, offload it to using more resource on the customer web browser!
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2025-04-06 02:05:57 +0200 <EvanR> just send them the whole database and have them filter it
2025-04-06 02:06:00 +0200 <monochrom> "less is more" = less burden on me is more burden on you!
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2025-04-06 03:55:35 +0200 <tabaqui> While learning Elixir, I found that they have so called "pins" in pattern matching. Like, you can associate a variable with a value and then match to this variable. In Haskell, afaik, it is impossible. Is it some hard compiler restriction, or something?
2025-04-06 03:56:22 +0200 <tabaqui> Like, in Elixir you can "x = 5; case y of ^x -> <something>".
2025-04-06 03:56:30 +0200merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-04-06 03:56:40 +0200 <tabaqui> And it will match y to 5 without new bindings
2025-04-06 03:56:46 +0200 <geekosaur> you use guards in Haskell
2025-04-06 03:56:56 +0200 <geekosaur> just a quirk of the language
2025-04-06 03:57:29 +0200 <tabaqui> Guards aren't quite the same, boolean blindness f.e.
2025-04-06 03:57:54 +0200 <geekosaur> hypotheticslly thy could add that ability, although I suppose it would require some new pattern matching machinery; Haskell patters match structure, not values
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2025-04-06 04:01:40 +0200 <monochrom> I don't know Elixir so there is no use telling me "it's called pin in Elixir".
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2025-04-06 04:02:16 +0200 <monochrom> But it sounds like for example "f xs@(x : xt) = (x, xs, xt)"
2025-04-06 04:02:35 +0200 <monochrom> > case [0,1,2] of xs@(x : xt) -> (x, xs, xt)
2025-04-06 04:02:37 +0200 <lambdabot> (0,[0,1,2],[1,2])
2025-04-06 04:04:55 +0200 <tabaqui> monochrom: here you bind variables xs, x and t with some new values. With "pins" you can declare some variables before and then match without bindings
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2025-04-06 04:06:52 +0200 <tabaqui> geekosaur: Yeah, I suspect it has to do with structural matchmaking. Just wanted to make sure it's not something that could be easily added with new sugar.
2025-04-06 04:07:23 +0200 <geekosaur> sugar wouldn't do it, no
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2025-04-06 04:10:23 +0200 <monochrom> If it is just a cute way to say "x == y", then Haskell already has ==. If it is actually as profound as full-blown Prolog unification, then consider the Curry language.
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2025-04-06 04:13:54 +0200 <geekosaur> there's also an additional complication: if you match against a literal number, it desugars to a guard, so you lose anyway
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2025-04-06 04:17:53 +0200 <monochrom> Yeah matching against 5, whether that 5 was hardcoded or obtained during run time, is a very point-defeating example of speaking against boolean blindness.
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2025-04-06 04:20:22 +0200 <EvanR> the pin is like taking the value of the variable and using it as a pattern
2025-04-06 04:20:32 +0200 <EvanR> which requires ==
2025-04-06 04:20:44 +0200 <EvanR> it's done for you in the case of a constant pattern
2025-04-06 04:20:50 +0200 <EvanR> laskdjfasdkfj
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2025-04-06 04:21:24 +0200 <EvanR> in the case of numeric, char, string constants (anything else?)
2025-04-06 04:22:10 +0200 <EvanR> not all data types in haskell have an == and so this wouldn't universally work like in elixir
2025-04-06 04:22:21 +0200 <monochrom> I guess I gave Elixir way too much credit for entertaining the remote possibility that it may do something half as interesting as logic programming.
2025-04-06 04:22:42 +0200 <monochrom> One more data point for being more cynical.
2025-04-06 04:22:54 +0200 <EvanR> I found an interesting thing about elixir
2025-04-06 04:22:57 +0200 <geekosaur> Char acts like an actual constructor, and String like a list of them. this guard business is specific to Num, and is why Num used to have Eq as a "superclass"
2025-04-06 04:23:09 +0200 <EvanR> alright numeric constants
2025-04-06 04:24:00 +0200 <EvanR> the interest thing about elixir is the === operator, which differs from == in that it doesn't convert numerics between int and float, and distinguishes -0.0 from 0.0
2025-04-06 04:24:05 +0200 <EvanR> it follows this law
2025-04-06 04:24:21 +0200 <EvanR> if x === y then f(x) === f(y) (assuming f is a pure function)
2025-04-06 04:25:15 +0200 <EvanR> elixir carefully prints out its values in such a way you can't violate that law
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2025-04-06 04:25:26 +0200 <monochrom> That's actually nice.
2025-04-06 04:25:42 +0200 <Leary> tabaqui: There's no issue of "boolean blindness" in equality testing. Both `((== x) -> True) -> ...` and `y | x == y -> ...` are perfectly good Haskell equivalents.
2025-04-06 04:25:48 +0200 <EvanR> as far as I could tell after an afternoon of trying
2025-04-06 04:26:16 +0200 <Leary> Though it would be nice if we could write `pattern Is x = (== x) -> True`.
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2025-04-06 04:29:39 +0200 <geekosaur> oh, and the special handling of numeric literals is because they're functions in Haskell (wrapped in fromInteger or fromRational as appropriate)
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2025-04-06 04:38:48 +0200 <geekosaur> (I don't know if this is extended to IsString)
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2025-04-06 10:30:40 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> wait, this code depends on undefined behavior, right?
2025-04-06 10:30:43 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> https://web.archive.org/web/20200809232447/https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarks…
2025-04-06 10:31:06 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> actually, you know what, i'll switch ghc versions and see if it works with 8.10
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2025-04-06 10:42:35 +0200 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> it sort of works, i don't have the optimization pass level right, and i can't figure out how ot set O2, not least because I lost access to llvm 10. Then it segfaults on the 110th digit. So, almost definitely undefined behavior
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