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2025-03-24 01:47:48 +0100 <EvanR> Two men are at the North Pole. One of them goes south; the other goes in the opposite direction. In what direction does the latter go?
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2025-03-24 01:50:12 +0100 <geekosaur> south, of course
2025-03-24 01:50:30 +0100 <EvanR> the question right before that was "Is south the opposite of north?"
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2025-03-24 01:51:07 +0100 <geekosaur> context matters
2025-03-24 01:51:24 +0100 <EvanR> at the north pole, south is the opposite of south? xD
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2025-03-24 01:52:34 +0100 <geekosaur> without additional context, south is generally the opposite of north. with context "at the north pole", all directions are south
2025-03-24 01:52:51 +0100 <geekosaur> (ignoring little things like "but not true as soon as you move off the pole")
2025-03-24 01:54:35 +0100tabaqui(~tabaqui@167.71.80.236) tabaqui
2025-03-24 01:55:12 +0100 <Axman6> EvanR: Damn those hairy balls
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2025-03-24 01:55:55 +0100 <EvanR> spheres are weird
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2025-03-24 02:32:55 +0100 <monochrom> But what was the series 1 + 1/2 - 1/12 - 1/408 - 1/470832 - 1/627013566048 - ... ?
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2025-03-24 02:52:33 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> https://oeis.org/search?q=1%2C+2%2C+12%2C+408%2C+470832%2C+627013566048&language=english&go=Search
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2025-03-24 02:52:45 +0100 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> An approximation of sqrt(2) apparently
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2025-03-24 04:21:21 +0100 <Axman6> let pell = 01:zipWith (+) (map (*2) $ drop 1 pell)
2025-03-24 04:21:36 +0100 <Axman6> > let pell = 0:1:zipWith (+) (map (*2) $ drop 1 pell) in take 10 pell
2025-03-24 04:21:37 +0100 <lambdabot> error:
2025-03-24 04:21:38 +0100 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘[c]’ with actual type ‘[c] -> [c]’
2025-03-24 04:21:38 +0100 <lambdabot> • Probable cause: ‘zipWith’ is applied to too few arguments
2025-03-24 04:22:01 +0100 <Axman6> > let pell = 0:1:zipWith (+) (map (*2) pell) (drop 1 pell) ( in take 10 pell
2025-03-24 04:22:03 +0100 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:60: error: parse error on input ‘in’
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2025-03-24 05:03:08 +0100 <monochrom> > let pell = 0:1:zipWith (+) (map (*2) pell) (drop 1 pell) in take 10 pell
2025-03-24 05:03:10 +0100 <lambdabot> [0,1,1,3,5,11,21,43,85,171]
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2025-03-24 05:05:57 +0100 <haskellbridge> <dmjio> I ran my test with the "-threaded" RTS, and "yield" works there, but it _does not_ work in GHCi (which is single core)
2025-03-24 05:06:26 +0100 <haskellbridge> <dmjio> so I think there's an issue with "yield" in single core mode (non "-threaded") where "yield" is not creating a new thread schedule
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2025-03-24 05:13:00 +0100 <EvanR> oh nice my terms are already a known sequence
2025-03-24 05:13:15 +0100 <EvanR> egyptian sqrt 2
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2025-03-24 05:16:05 +0100 <EvanR> lol and the comments even mention it
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2025-03-24 06:00:45 +0100 <talismanick> I was looking through Bluefin examples, but didn't see the UndecidableInstances pragma I remembered it requiring
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2025-03-24 06:01:04 +0100 <talismanick> was that only a feature of the alpha release posted on Discourse?
2025-03-24 06:01:38 +0100merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-03-24 06:02:06 +0100 <talismanick> (I somehow failed to find detailed patch notes anywhere - just read git commit messages?)
2025-03-24 06:04:34 +0100Miroboru(~myrvoll@178-164-114.82.3p.ntebredband.no) Miroboru
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2025-03-24 06:09:27 +0100 <Leary> talismanick: Basic bluefin code won't require any instance declarations in the first place.
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2025-03-24 20:24:42 +0100Sayman(~Sayman@2401:4900:1ca3:94e0:d788:422d:b642:f1c)
2025-03-24 20:25:00 +0100 <Sayman> Hello there,
2025-03-24 20:25:49 +0100 <Sayman> Sayman this side from India, a passionate open source developer researching on haskell's programming language concepts.
2025-03-24 20:26:13 +0100 <davean> Welcome
2025-03-24 20:27:00 +0100 <Sayman> I am preparing to enhance yesod framework of haskell through my add ons, willn't it gonna improve the web architecture of this language?
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2025-03-24 20:27:44 +0100 <Sayman> Yeah, thanks for welcoming me
2025-03-24 20:27:54 +0100pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) siracusa
2025-03-24 20:28:03 +0100 <Sayman> Why are so many people lefting -_-
2025-03-24 20:28:21 +0100 <geekosaur> sorry, this channel is pretty quiet at various times of day, plus many people have abandoned IRC
2025-03-24 20:28:27 +0100 <geekosaur> (I was in the restroom)
2025-03-24 20:29:05 +0100 <geekosaur> there's some activity on Matrix. oddly, not much on the FP Discord today
2025-03-24 20:29:20 +0100 <Sayman> Ohhh ok
2025-03-24 20:29:51 +0100polykernel(~polykerne@user/polykernel) (Remote host closed the connection)
2025-03-24 20:30:04 +0100 <Sayman> Is my idea suitable for applying, so I submit my proposal
2025-03-24 20:30:25 +0100 <Sayman> I already prepared one for it :-)
2025-03-24 20:30:59 +0100polykernel(~polykerne@user/polykernel) polykernel
2025-03-24 20:31:05 +0100 <geekosaur> these days yesod doesn't seem to see a lot of use, most people use scotty or servant
2025-03-24 20:31:25 +0100 <geekosaur> but I'm not really the right person to talk to about web stuff
2025-03-24 20:32:39 +0100 <Sayman> are you the admin?
2025-03-24 20:32:44 +0100 <Sayman> or a mentor
2025-03-24 20:32:55 +0100 <Athas> tomsmeding: did you know of some Haskell AD library that is faster than 'ad'?
2025-03-24 20:33:00 +0100 <Athas> Something that abused Template Haskell?
2025-03-24 20:33:36 +0100 <geekosaur> not sure what you mean by "admin", I'm a moderator here and on Matrix. I do help out with beginners also
2025-03-24 20:33:55 +0100 <Sayman> should I continue with my proposal
2025-03-24 20:33:55 +0100 <geekosaur> I also am one of the core maintainers of xmonad, and when I can I contribute to ghc and cabal development
2025-03-24 20:33:59 +0100 <tomsmeding> Athas: I wrote my own thing that wasn't even meant to be faster than 'ad', but it is by a factor of 2 sometimes -- but it _really_ is not fleshed out at all, so you won't have much luck with it
2025-03-24 20:34:12 +0100 <Sayman> will it gonna be better to continue or to change my idea?
2025-03-24 20:34:43 +0100 <tomsmeding> Athas: that array-aware thing that I was hacking on (and that you said I should continue hacking on) I didn't continue working on yet, so that's in usable state if the existing array API happens to be enough for your algorithm, and otherwise not :p
2025-03-24 20:34:45 +0100 <geekosaur> again, I'm not really involved with web stuff. you might post to /r/haskell or discourse.haskell.org
2025-03-24 20:34:48 +0100 <Sayman> geekosaur okay
2025-03-24 20:35:09 +0100 <Athas> Ah well.
2025-03-24 20:35:13 +0100 <tomsmeding> Athas: in general, how happy are gradbench with random experimental libraries?
2025-03-24 20:35:24 +0100 <Athas> tomsmeding: that remains to be seen!
2025-03-24 20:35:34 +0100 <tomsmeding> as in, is it "benchmark all the implementations" or "let's collect the major ones and get a useful comparison"
2025-03-24 20:35:38 +0100 <Athas> But Sam has turned into a maximalist.
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2025-03-24 20:35:43 +0100 <tomsmeding> I see
2025-03-24 20:36:04 +0100 <Athas> I think the architecture is robust enough to handle arbitrary amounts of weird tools. The main bottleneck is that the table will look weird, but that is a fixable UI issue.
2025-03-24 20:36:14 +0100Sayman(~Sayman@2401:4900:1ca3:94e0:d788:422d:b642:f1c)
2025-03-24 20:36:22 +0100 <Athas> As long as it fits in a Docker container, I would say it should go in.
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2025-03-24 20:36:36 +0100 <tomsmeding> you could even mark certain tools as "experimental", and not show them by default (or make it easy to filter them out or something)
2025-03-24 20:37:41 +0100 <Athas> Yes, that is much better than rejecting esoterica.
2025-03-24 20:38:21 +0100 <Athas> Btw, I found that Haskell did pretty well for implementing a differentiable Runge-Kutta ODE solver, but now I'm trying to work out how to implement computation of a matrix determinant by minors.
2025-03-24 20:39:15 +0100 <Athas> This is not a good algorithm (the complexity is something like O(n!)), but what's worse is that it depends on recursively removing rows and columns from a matrix. This can be done in efficient ways with mutable arrays, but I haven't cracked a nice way to do it in Haskell.
2025-03-24 20:39:38 +0100 <Athas> Of course, the lovely part of an O(n!) algorithm is that the dataset will necessarily be so small that perhaps an inefficient matrix representation is unimportant.
2025-03-24 20:39:51 +0100 <tomsmeding> hah, O(n!) is brutal
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2025-03-24 20:40:46 +0100 <tomsmeding> Athas: perhaps the dataset will be small, but even then, what really matters here is the _proportion_ of time that you spend in matrix manipulations
2025-03-24 20:40:59 +0100 <tomsmeding> because you'll probably also be doing O(n!) of those matrix manipulations
2025-03-24 20:41:11 +0100 <tomsmeding> so it may well be that they need to be fast after all, even if the data is small
2025-03-24 20:42:14 +0100 <Athas> Yes. But the imperative solution is to essentially encode the matrix as a linked list of row indexes and column indexes, such that e.g. R[i] is the physical index of the successor to row 'i'.
2025-03-24 20:42:29 +0100 <Athas> So maybe it is good enough to maintain a mutable array and then just a bunch of linked lists.
2025-03-24 20:42:52 +0100 <Athas> The algorithm is really quite trivial: https://mathworld.wolfram.com/DeterminantExpansionbyMinors.html
2025-03-24 20:42:55 +0100 <Athas> Maybe I'm overthinking it.
2025-03-24 20:43:02 +0100 <tomsmeding> just implement it!
2025-03-24 20:44:07 +0100 <Athas> Er, maintain an immutable array.
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2025-03-24 22:04:06 +0100 <EvanR> say an interface to a stack container has two operations push :: a -> Stack a -> Stack a, and pop :: Stack a -> (a, Stack a). And there's a law, pop (push x xs) = (x, xs)
2025-03-24 22:04:23 +0100 <EvanR> is that enough to constraint the behavior of the data type to what we normally think of as stack-like
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2025-03-24 22:06:12 +0100 <Athas> tomsmeding: this might make me unpopular with the Haskell community: https://github.com/gradbench/gradbench/blob/cmpad/tools/haskell/src/GradBench/DetByMinor.hs
2025-03-24 22:06:14 +0100 <EvanR> I guess you need something to start with, dirac :: a -> Stack a, an infinite stack of a which never runs out, where a could be used as a sentinel that you reached the bottom
2025-03-24 22:06:59 +0100kh0d(~kh0d@212.200.65.82) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2025-03-24 22:07:26 +0100 <tomsmeding> EvanR: I think if you have a certain starting stack and particular sequence of pushes and pops, then you can successively cancel each pop against a push until either you're popping more than you pushed (and the spec doesn't let us conclude what happens if you pop from the starting stack), or you have some pushes left which don't generate observable info
2025-03-24 22:07:53 +0100 <tomsmeding> EvanR: so yes, this should pin it down apart from pop-on-empty-stack and stack initialisation
2025-03-24 22:08:50 +0100 <tomsmeding> Athas: why? Because it's slow and makes haskell look bad?
2025-03-24 22:09:16 +0100 <mauke> can't be worse than whitespace
2025-03-24 22:09:45 +0100 <Athas> tomsmeding: yes, people get mad when you make a language look bad.
2025-03-24 22:09:51 +0100acidjnk(~acidjnk@p200300d6e71c4f84f984511b1aacfb73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk
2025-03-24 22:10:05 +0100 <EvanR> unless it's haskell
2025-03-24 22:10:09 +0100 <Athas> Although on the largest workloads it's only about 5x slower than C++.
2025-03-24 22:10:35 +0100 <EvanR> because looking bad might indicate something is actually bad and needs improvement
2025-03-24 22:11:19 +0100 <tomsmeding> Athas: only 5x? And that's with 'ad'?
2025-03-24 22:11:24 +0100 <Rembane> 5x slower than C++ is very fast imho
2025-03-24 22:11:24 +0100 <sprout> EvanR: I don't think you need the infinite stack
2025-03-24 22:11:33 +0100 <Athas> tomsmeding: yes, 'ad'. And maybe more like 7x.
2025-03-24 22:11:39 +0100 <EvanR> I'll ignore the empty stack for now
2025-03-24 22:11:46 +0100 <sprout> EvanR: assuming that you're only interested in popping what you once pushed
2025-03-24 22:11:53 +0100kh0d(~kh0d@212.200.65.82) kh0d
2025-03-24 22:12:00 +0100 <sprout> EvanR: but how would you keep track?
2025-03-24 22:12:00 +0100 <tomsmeding> Athas: 7x slower than baseline is indeed slow, but if it's 'ad' that achieves that, I'd call that a win
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2025-03-24 22:12:57 +0100 <sprout> EvanR: if you don't have a 'stack_empty?' predicate you'll probably need to keep track of it yourself somehow
2025-03-24 22:13:08 +0100 <EvanR> I'll ignore the empty stack for now xD
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2025-03-24 22:15:18 +0100 <EvanR> push x xs = x : x : xs, ok, this fails the law
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2025-03-24 22:17:03 +0100 <tomsmeding> EvanR: important observation, which was implicit in my first reply, is that push and pop each take and return exactly one stack, so any "history" of a stack is a linear sequence of pushes and pops
2025-03-24 22:17:15 +0100cipherrot(~znc-user@user/petrichor) petrichor
2025-03-24 22:17:20 +0100 <tomsmeding> so for semantics, you only need to look at all such sequences
2025-03-24 22:17:21 +0100infohazards(~user@user/fmira) fmira
2025-03-24 22:18:29 +0100 <EvanR> inventing notation to make that sequence of calls easy to see
2025-03-24 22:18:36 +0100 <EvanR> a push next to a pop cancels
2025-03-24 22:18:41 +0100 <EvanR> somehow
2025-03-24 22:18:51 +0100 <EvanR> and you're left with the final state of the stack
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2025-03-24 22:21:30 +0100 <EvanR> let (x, xs) = pop (push 7 (push 8 (...)) in push 9 xs
2025-03-24 22:21:45 +0100 <EvanR> push 9 (push 8 (...))
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2025-03-24 22:24:57 +0100 <EvanR> define pop! = snd . pop
2025-03-24 22:25:21 +0100 <EvanR> push 9 (pop! (push 7 (push 8 (...))))
2025-03-24 22:25:22 +0100 <EvanR> becomes
2025-03-24 22:25:31 +0100 <EvanR> push 9 (push 8 (...))
2025-03-24 22:25:42 +0100 <EvanR> semantically
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2025-03-24 22:31:26 +0100 <tomsmeding> claim: the behaviour of 'check' pins down the entire semantics of Stack: check :: Stack a -> [Maybe a] -> [a]; checks s = snd . foldl' (\(s', out) -> maybe (let (y,s'') = pop s' in (s'',y:out)) (flip push s')) (s, [])
2025-03-24 22:31:47 +0100petrichor(~znc-user@user/petrichor) petrichor
2025-03-24 22:32:01 +0100 <tomsmeding> yes, the output is reversed, and no I don't care
2025-03-24 22:32:46 +0100 <EvanR> what is this [Maybe a]
2025-03-24 22:32:52 +0100 <tomsmeding> Just is a push, Nothing is a pop
2025-03-24 22:33:00 +0100 <tomsmeding> list of instructions, essentially
2025-03-24 22:33:26 +0100 <tomsmeding> point being that as long as there are enough Justs before Nothings to make sure you never "pop into" the initial stack s, you can determine the output of 'check' purely from your law
2025-03-24 22:34:27 +0100machinedgod(~machinedg@d108-173-18-100.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod
2025-03-24 22:34:40 +0100 <EvanR> the initial stack is where you can do root exploits
2025-03-24 22:34:45 +0100 <tomsmeding> yes
2025-03-24 22:35:29 +0100 <EvanR> I was going to write a similar piece of code to convert a stack into a list but forwards
2025-03-24 22:35:53 +0100 <EvanR> is just using foldr instead of foldl' enough
2025-03-24 22:36:08 +0100 <tomsmeding> then you process the list of instructions in reverse
2025-03-24 22:36:19 +0100 <tomsmeding> which, like, doesn't matter for my claim
2025-03-24 22:36:37 +0100 <tomsmeding> but neither does the output order :p
2025-03-24 22:36:57 +0100 <EvanR> as long as the [Maybe a] isn't infinite
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2025-03-24 22:37:44 +0100 <tomsmeding> I'm saying that the behaviour of 'check' pins down the semantics of 'Stack' (modulo initial/empty stack), not that every invocation of 'check' says something meaningful
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2025-03-24 22:43:10 +0100 <EvanR> can you somehow prove the opposite law
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2025-03-24 22:52:47 +0100 <EvanR> answer: no
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