| 2026-04-14 00:06:38 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn |
| 2026-04-14 00:09:33 +0000 | <geekosaur> | don't forget 29 bit minimum size for Int, vs. the Apple II having an 8-bit CPU |
| 2026-04-14 00:09:47 +0000 | <geekosaur> | you could work with larger numbers but you had to chain ADD+ADC |
| 2026-04-14 00:09:55 +0000 | <EvanR> | "Int" would be emulated so to speak |
| 2026-04-14 00:09:59 +0000 | <monochrom> | Yeah it's going to be so slow. :) |
| 2026-04-14 00:10:07 +0000 | <EvanR> | if it had to be standards conforming |
| 2026-04-14 00:10:39 +0000 | <EvanR> | bonus points for the emulated Int being literally 29 bit |
| 2026-04-14 00:10:42 +0000 | <geekosaur> | (I spent a lot of time doing 6502 asm back then) |
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| 2026-04-14 00:11:28 +0000 | <geekosaur> | it might be if MicroHS steals 3 bits for gc marking |
| 2026-04-14 00:14:23 +0000 | czan | (~czan@user/mange) czan |
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| 2026-04-14 00:31:17 +0000 | <int-e> | It's 30 bits per the Haskell 98 report (range -2^29...2^29-1) |
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| 2026-04-14 00:38:07 +0000 | <geekosaur> | oh, sorry, misremembeered where the 29 was |
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| 2026-04-14 05:23:34 +0000 | <Tikosh> | Hello! I was wondering if you can review a simple text game i made in haskell. see how good I did, as a programming noob of a few years. here is the code https://bpa.st/B56IQ |
| 2026-04-14 05:25:20 +0000 | <Tikosh> | I do not know if i got the recursion right, though. what you guys think? |
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| 2026-04-14 05:41:48 +0000 | haritz | (~hrtz@user/haritz) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3.1+deb12u1 - https://znc.in) |
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| 2026-04-14 05:46:17 +0000 | acidjnk_new | (~acidjnk@p200300d6e700e507eac8604a20d7f4cd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) acidjnk |
| 2026-04-14 05:56:13 +0000 | <probie> | Tikosh: `isNameAction` is confusingly named, since it doesn't return a `Bool` |
| 2026-04-14 05:57:30 +0000 | <probie> | Also, the `elem` function is worth knowing |
| 2026-04-14 05:57:45 +0000 | <Tikosh> | probie: alright |
| 2026-04-14 05:58:27 +0000 | <probie> | > "tacos" `elem` ["milanesa", "enchiladas", "torta", "tacos", "chile rellenos"] |
| 2026-04-14 05:58:28 +0000 | <lambdabot> | True |
| 2026-04-14 05:58:33 +0000 | <probie> | > "pizza" `elem` ["milanesa", "enchiladas", "torta", "tacos", "chile rellenos"] |
| 2026-04-14 05:58:34 +0000 | <lambdabot> | False |
| 2026-04-14 06:00:25 +0000 | <Tikosh> | i was attempting to use recursion and was enlightened about the thing called mutual recursion |
| 2026-04-14 06:00:39 +0000 | <Tikosh> | this haskell stuff melts brains. but I'm glad i learn it! |
| 2026-04-14 06:00:54 +0000 | <Tikosh> | still learning, of course |
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| 2026-04-14 06:48:05 +0000 | <[exa]> | mornin' |
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| 2026-04-14 07:18:21 +0000 | Milan_Vanca | (~milan@user/Milan-Vanca:32634) Milan_Vanca |
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| 2026-04-14 07:25:43 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | Good morning guyz! The more I read, the more confusing all sharing and evaluation is :-( |
| 2026-04-14 07:25:56 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | > let a = [1..3] :: [Int] in (length a :: Int) == (length a :: Int) |
| 2026-04-14 07:25:58 +0000 | <lambdabot> | True |
| 2026-04-14 07:26:26 +0000 | <monochrom> | That example is not confusing. |
| 2026-04-14 07:26:31 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | Will length a be evaluated twice? In means will the list be traversed twice? |
| 2026-04-14 07:27:56 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | My expectation is that as "a" is same.. so "length a" must be same.. and thus it will be evaluated only once and then passed to comparsion |
| 2026-04-14 07:29:32 +0000 | <[exa]> | Milan_Vanca: in this case you don't do anything to tell the compiler to NOT evaluate it twice; but ghc may quite safely transform the code to something like `let a=[1..3] in let tmp=length a in tmp == tmp` |
| 2026-04-14 07:30:49 +0000 | leppard | (~noOne@ipservice-092-208-182-236.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-04-14 07:31:54 +0000 | <[exa]> | Milan_Vanca: the rule of thumb is "let-bindings create exactly one thunk". Once thunks get evaluated for the first time, they are _rewritten_ to their results, so evaluating them for the second time "does nothing". Which gives you a pretty good tool to make sure the `length` isn't going to execute twice |
| 2026-04-14 07:33:26 +0000 | Sgeo | (~Sgeo@user/sgeo) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2026-04-14 07:33:43 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | [exa]: Yeah.. I can follow that.. but my example bound only list to variable "let a = [1..3] :: [Int]" |
| 2026-04-14 07:33:56 +0000 | <[exa]> | that's ok, the list is going to get materialized only once |
| 2026-04-14 07:33:59 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | If I want to be sure it wont be evaluated twice I need to bound it myself right? |
| 2026-04-14 07:34:20 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | I mean "length a" |
| 2026-04-14 07:34:42 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | You said it "may" be evaluated once as ghc does some rewriting. |
| 2026-04-14 07:35:20 +0000 | <[exa]> | yeah there's some optimizations that are able to uniquify common sub-expressions a little, so chances are it might do this for you. But that's hard to rely upon tbh. |
| 2026-04-14 07:35:54 +0000 | <[exa]> | anyway yeah if you make a single binding for the `length a`, it should evaluate once |
| 2026-04-14 07:37:49 +0000 | <mra> | Milan_Vanca: maybe a silly question, but why does it matter if it's evaluated twice? |
| 2026-04-14 07:39:08 +0000 | <[exa]> | if the list is yuge, caching the O(n) length computation may help a lot |
| 2026-04-14 07:39:43 +0000 | <[exa]> | (ofc assuming some other use-case than `len==len` :D ) |
| 2026-04-14 07:40:02 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | Well for simple problems it probably does not.. for real world programming I guess it does... I would like to use ghc/haskell with real world programs |
| 2026-04-14 07:40:19 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | [exa]: :) |
| 2026-04-14 07:40:23 +0000 | <mra> | i guess that's true, yeah. i would expect GHC to factor out the common subexpression, but i guess relying on that may be unwise |
| 2026-04-14 07:41:50 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) |
| 2026-04-14 07:42:07 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | Examples.. I want to reuse one "http_manager" across different functions.. when manager is defined as let manager = getManager settings.. I want to be sure it is not always a new manager but the old manager with cached tcp connections. |
| 2026-04-14 07:43:18 +0000 | <[exa]> | Milan_Vanca: in such case you might want to put the manager into some kind of MVar or IORef so that you can actually modify it later (assuming it doesn't do that internally) |
| 2026-04-14 07:43:31 +0000 | alter2000 | (~alter2000@user/alter2000) alter2000 |
| 2026-04-14 07:43:47 +0000 | <probie> | It pretty much never factors out the common subexpression, since doing it carelessly can introduce space leaks. The programmer already has `let` at their disposal if that's the behaviour they want. |
| 2026-04-14 07:44:02 +0000 | <monochrom> | Your example is empirically weird. (GHC 9.6.7 -O) The core code goes to the trouble of constructing [1..3] then evaluating its length. Then the answer is ignored, the code prints True without even comparing 3==3. |
| 2026-04-14 07:44:11 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | Or just define it and then pass it to all functions that need it? |
| 2026-04-14 07:44:25 +0000 | leppard | (~noOne@ipservice-092-208-182-236.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Inline |
| 2026-04-14 07:45:55 +0000 | terrorjack | (~terrorjac@2a01:4f8:271:2d98::2) terrorjack |
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| 2026-04-14 07:46:25 +0000 | <mra> | that seems messier than just wrapping it in IORef |
| 2026-04-14 07:46:33 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | probie: So if I define top lvl function as a1 = [1..10^6] :: [Int] a2 = [1..10^6] :: [Int] there is not subexpresion elimination and in fact 2 big lists? |
| 2026-04-14 07:46:47 +0000 | <monochrom> | In general, you can rely on reuse that you manually arranged for by aliasing. But you cannot rely on optimisers not being more aggressive than you. |
| 2026-04-14 07:47:00 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | monochrom: really? |
| 2026-04-14 07:47:52 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | why is my example empirically weird? why it wont evaluate 3==3? |
| 2026-04-14 07:48:05 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | Like is it optimization that is sees whatever it is it must be true? |
| 2026-04-14 07:48:17 +0000 | jreicher | (~joelr@user/jreicher) (Quit: In transit) |
| 2026-04-14 07:48:35 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | > (error "a" :: Int) == (error "a" :: Int) |
| 2026-04-14 07:48:36 +0000 | <lambdabot> | *Exception: a |
| 2026-04-14 07:48:36 +0000 | <lambdabot> | CallStack (from HasCallStack): |
| 2026-04-14 07:48:36 +0000 | <lambdabot> | error, called at <interactive>:3:2 in interactive:Ghci1 |
| 2026-04-14 07:48:41 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | no it must evaluate |
| 2026-04-14 07:48:47 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | ah no |
| 2026-04-14 07:48:49 +0000 | <monochrom> | I don't know of any answer other than "read GHC source code". |
| 2026-04-14 07:48:55 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | :D |
| 2026-04-14 07:49:02 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | hmmm |
| 2026-04-14 07:49:06 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | yeah ty |
| 2026-04-14 07:49:25 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | So I can use aliasing and naming to explicitly say what I want to share |
| 2026-04-14 07:49:28 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | got it :) |
| 2026-04-14 07:50:35 +0000 | <probie> | Milan_Vanca: In your example there are two distinct thunks. There aren't any big lists until someone starts doing something with them. Sharing those would be a bad idea if you didn't know how they were going to be used |
| 2026-04-14 07:50:49 +0000 | <monochrom> | or "take a code optimization course to learn that beyond the obvious you must start using heuristics that are full of false positives and false negatives and by the time you have 100 heuristics it begins to behave like randomized LLMs". |
| 2026-04-14 07:52:53 +0000 | <probie> | You might end up with a big list in a case where if they weren't shared, no big list ever needed to exist in memory e.g. if you've got a reference to `a1` and have evaluated `last a2` to WHNF, if they're the same list, that reference to a1 means you can't garbage collect the list spine you evaluated as part of `last a2` |
| 2026-04-14 07:53:26 +0000 | <gentauro> | I have setup emacs (I run in a terminal) with LSP to give minimalistic messages (example: Found hole: _ :: [Int] -> Int) to avoid too much "bloated" LSP stuff. However, sometimes, I would like to get the full message. Anybody know a key-combination for that? |
| 2026-04-14 07:53:28 +0000 | <probie> | If in the end, the way you use `a1` is simply something like `head a1`; you've just been carrying around a big list for absolutely no reason |
| 2026-04-14 07:53:44 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | monochrom: sounds scary :D |
| 2026-04-14 07:54:45 +0000 | leppard | (~noOne@ipservice-092-208-182-236.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) |
| 2026-04-14 07:55:05 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | probie: that makes sense and that is why I want to know how something works. |
| 2026-04-14 07:55:12 +0000 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
| 2026-04-14 07:56:05 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | probie: Either one might end up with 2x times the memory.. or retain something in memory longer. |
| 2026-04-14 07:56:19 +0000 | Googulator55 | (~Googulato@94-21-172-213.pool.digikabel.hu) |
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| 2026-04-14 08:00:17 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | I did let a = 1 + 1 :: Int let b = 1 + 1 :: Int; seq b (); :sprint a; and it showed still as thunk and that confused me |
| 2026-04-14 08:00:50 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | Anyway I think I know why.. a and b never pointed to same thunk in the first place |
| 2026-04-14 08:00:59 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | ty guyz :) |
| 2026-04-14 08:01:41 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) |
| 2026-04-14 08:03:17 +0000 | <monochrom> | I am much less surprised because I've seen GCC done similar weird things before. I had "int x=1; int i=0; while (x>=0) {x*=2; ++i;} print i". gcc -O turned it into "for (i=0; i<31; i++)". gcc -O2 recognized "strictly speaking UB" so turned it into "L2: jmp L2" |
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| 2026-04-14 11:58:11 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | Hmm is output of +RTS -N4 -s in line that talks about sparks SPARKS: 49151 (7336 converted, 855 overflowed, 0 dud, 0 GC'd, 0 fizzled) |
| 2026-04-14 11:58:25 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | > 49151 == 7336 + 855 |
| 2026-04-14 11:58:27 +0000 | <lambdabot> | False |
| 2026-04-14 11:58:40 +0000 | haritz | (~hrtz@140.228.70.141) |
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| 2026-04-14 11:58:40 +0000 | haritz | (~hrtz@user/haritz) haritz |
| 2026-04-14 11:59:00 +0000 | humasect | (~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect |
| 2026-04-14 11:59:40 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | I mean it should sum right? Or is overflowed counted as more than converted? |
| 2026-04-14 12:00:28 +0000 | jreicher | (~joelr@user/jreicher) jreicher |
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| 2026-04-14 12:01:14 +0000 | arandombit | (~arandombi@user/arandombit) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-14 12:01:52 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | Maybe info in () shows last known state, and first number is total for whole program run. |
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| 2026-04-14 12:12:20 +0000 | <ski> | > 49151 - (7336 + 855) |
| 2026-04-14 12:12:21 +0000 | oskarw | (~user@user/oskarw) (ERC 5.6.1 (IRC client for GNU Emacs 30.2)) |
| 2026-04-14 12:12:21 +0000 | <lambdabot> | 40960 |
| 2026-04-14 12:13:11 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | I have found this in ghc docs Any remaining sparks are discarded at the end of execution, so “converted” plus “pruned” does not necessarily add up to the total. |
| 2026-04-14 12:15:04 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | Program executed on all cores only first 5s from 25s total. So it looks like it oveflowed sparks or something. |
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| 2026-04-14 13:11:29 +0000 | <gentauro> | would it be possible to spawn 1m concurrent `https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/async-2.2.6/docs/Control-Concurrent-Async.html` (green threads right?) as we can do in Rust/dotnet: https://hez2010.github.io/async-runtimes-benchmarks-2024/take2.html |
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| 2026-04-14 13:13:52 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) |
| 2026-04-14 13:14:19 +0000 | <mauke> | I don't remember what my record was |
| 2026-04-14 13:15:06 +0000 | <mauke> | I did a linear bucket chain of threads connected by MVars, maybe 15 years ago? |
| 2026-04-14 13:15:25 +0000 | <mauke> | it definitely went into the 100,000s |
| 2026-04-14 13:15:33 +0000 | <mauke> | (number of threads, I mean) |
| 2026-04-14 13:15:41 +0000 | <Leary> | gentauro: It's possible, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. I rather suspect it will induce a bunch of GC overhead you don't want, which could probably be avoided by some kind of work queue. |
| 2026-04-14 13:16:49 +0000 | leppard | (~noOne@ipservice-092-208-182-236.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de) Inline |
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| 2026-04-14 13:23:25 +0000 | ystael | (~ystael@user/ystael) ystael |
| 2026-04-14 13:25:27 +0000 | Digit | (~user@user/digit) Digit |
| 2026-04-14 13:25:32 +0000 | karenw | (~karenw@user/karenw) karenw |
| 2026-04-14 13:32:11 +0000 | <[exa]> | gentauro: 1M is possible for sure, even more I'd say; the main concern is that at that point I don't really see an engineeringly correct use-case for that |
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| 2026-04-14 13:35:03 +0000 | karenw | (~karenw@user/karenw) karenw |
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| 2026-04-14 13:40:16 +0000 | <gentauro> | thx :) |
| 2026-04-14 13:41:04 +0000 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:763c:362b:b9c4:6a52) |
| 2026-04-14 13:43:20 +0000 | <[exa]> | like, can the usual kernel keep 1M TCP connections open? |
| 2026-04-14 13:44:44 +0000 | <gentauro> | [exa]: I recall Don Syme had a MS blog post (his blog is gone since he was "moved" to GitHub Next) |
| 2026-04-14 13:45:04 +0000 | <gentauro> | but he showed how F# easily could handle a mil green-threads |
| 2026-04-14 13:45:17 +0000 | <gentauro> | and lets not talk Erlang/Elixir |
| 2026-04-14 13:46:14 +0000 | <[exa]> | yeah the count of the green threads isn't a big issue, the resource exhaustion that happens if each of the threads starts nibbling is the issue |
| 2026-04-14 13:46:36 +0000 | <[exa]> | (who's don syme) |
| 2026-04-14 13:46:50 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) |
| 2026-04-14 13:51:09 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2026-04-14 13:57:37 +0000 | <gentauro> | [exa]: Don Syme was hired by MS to do his PhD thesis on how to "port" Haskell to the .NET platform working together with Cambridge University |
| 2026-04-14 13:57:58 +0000 | karenw | (~karenw@user/karenw) (Quit: Deep into that darkness peering...) |
| 2026-04-14 13:58:01 +0000 | <gentauro> | it seems like it didn't went their way, so they ended up portin OCaml to .NET and, the rest is history :) |
| 2026-04-14 13:58:26 +0000 | <[exa]> | the rest is F# right? |
| 2026-04-14 13:58:32 +0000 | <gentauro> | yeah |
| 2026-04-14 13:58:38 +0000 | <[exa]> | oh cool then |
| 2026-04-14 14:00:41 +0000 | <gentauro> | some good stuff has actually came out of F# (missing module functors though): computation expressions (monadic syntax), code quoatations (typed and untyped lambda calculus), units of measure (tag primitive types). He also had a brilliant collaborator that made some novel and groundbreaking research: https://tomasp.net/coeffects/ |
| 2026-04-14 14:01:10 +0000 | <gentauro> | oh yeah, and the type-providers (they was afterwards mimiced by Idris, David Christensen) |
| 2026-04-14 14:02:02 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) |
| 2026-04-14 14:02:25 +0000 | <gentauro> | F# gets a lot of "bad publi" (cos of MS ownership) but it's actually a pretty good language |
| 2026-04-14 14:06:45 +0000 | <[exa]> | yeah some folks are actually a little sensitive to the whole .NET blob |
| 2026-04-14 14:06:53 +0000 | <[exa]> | (me included tbh) |
| 2026-04-14 14:06:55 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-14 14:07:20 +0000 | <[exa]> | (btw lol, I see the blog of tomas :D he's sitting literally in the office next to mine :D :D ) |
| 2026-04-14 14:14:11 +0000 | <janus> | this world is too small :O |
| 2026-04-14 14:15:16 +0000 | misterfish | (~misterfis@31.161.39.137) misterfish |
| 2026-04-14 14:15:56 +0000 | misterfish | (~misterfis@31.161.39.137) (Client Quit) |
| 2026-04-14 14:16:06 +0000 | misterfish | (~misterfis@31-161-39-137.biz.kpn.net) misterfish |
| 2026-04-14 14:18:39 +0000 | <__monty__> | Typed and untyped lambda calculus came out of F#? That doesn't sound right. |
| 2026-04-14 14:22:49 +0000 | <lortabac> | TIL Alonzo Church invented F# in 1936 |
| 2026-04-14 14:24:27 +0000 | humasect | (~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) (Quit: Leaving...) |
| 2026-04-14 14:24:43 +0000 | humasect | (~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) humasect |
| 2026-04-14 14:29:37 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f5bd:97ff:8f76:c38c) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2026-04-14 14:30:03 +0000 | <comerijn> | __monty__: I think you're skipping the pre-parentheses |
| 2026-04-14 14:30:19 +0000 | <comerijn> | i.e. "code quotations" (of both typed and untyped lambda calculus) |
| 2026-04-14 14:30:26 +0000 | <comerijn> | That still sounds wrong, but less so :p |
| 2026-04-14 14:33:05 +0000 | <humasect> | oh..caml? |
| 2026-04-14 14:33:09 +0000 | <janus> | gentauro: the most appealing thing to me about F# is that you could make a compiled program for .NET Framework and have it run out of the box on the Windows versions of the last , i dunno, 25 years? |
| 2026-04-14 14:33:27 +0000 | <janus> | but every time i mention .NET framework to .NET people they look at me like i am crazy |
| 2026-04-14 14:33:39 +0000 | <janus> | but that is like the best thing about microsoft! the backwards compat! |
| 2026-04-14 14:34:12 +0000 | <janus> | why do i need .NET core? I really don't get it. |
| 2026-04-14 14:35:28 +0000 | <janus> | by iterating super fast and somehow tying the language to new runtime versions, it's like the whole advantage of ' owning the platform' disappears |
| 2026-04-14 14:36:37 +0000 | <janus> | then you end up with these massive tooling issues like ghc ecosystem has, where you have to make sure that hls, c library and ghc all line up... |
| 2026-04-14 14:38:05 +0000 | <janus> | there is a hackathon in cdmx called 'WeirdUI' and typescript and react are outlawed. because they are too normal |
| 2026-04-14 14:38:36 +0000 | <janus> | but they don't mention using Win32 from F#? i'll show them!!! |
| 2026-04-14 14:39:14 +0000 | <janus> | bet they've never seen the windows event queue. so weird!!! i must win |
| 2026-04-14 14:41:22 +0000 | misterfish | (~misterfis@31-161-39-137.biz.kpn.net) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 2026-04-14 14:42:26 +0000 | <comerijn> | janus: That's cool, but OTOH Microsoft seems hellbent on speedrunning scaring everyone away from windows, so that value is rapidly diminishing :p |
| 2026-04-14 14:43:49 +0000 | <janus> | comerijn: i am so nostalgic at this point that i don't even want to recognize what they current microsoft company does |
| 2026-04-14 14:45:07 +0000 | <janus> | no matter what Microsoft does, they will never be able to kill ReactOS |
| 2026-04-14 14:45:22 +0000 | machinedgod | (~machinedg@d172-219-48-230.abhsia.telus.net) machinedgod |
| 2026-04-14 14:45:46 +0000 | <janus> | their UI guidelines from 1995 have probably been entered into the Library of Congress. they can't erase history |
| 2026-04-14 14:45:55 +0000 | <comerijn> | At this point switching to Windows 11 seems an absolute no-go and with claims of being an "agentic OS" Windows 12 seems dead-on-arrival, breaking the long lasting cycle "of one sucky, one good" windows release :p |
| 2026-04-14 14:46:06 +0000 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@p549cbfb1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) CiaoSen |
| 2026-04-14 14:46:40 +0000 | <int-e> | windows 8 was bad, windows 10 was bad, windows 11 was worse... I don't get it ;) |
| 2026-04-14 14:46:44 +0000 | <int-e> | (what cycle) |
| 2026-04-14 14:47:41 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) |
| 2026-04-14 14:48:01 +0000 | <janus> | with the breakdown of international order, can't i just move to China and sell ReactOS branded as Windows 9000? |
| 2026-04-14 14:48:33 +0000 | <comerijn> | int-e: Windows 10 is a good desktop OS. Not for developing on, but for my gaming rig it's perfectly fine |
| 2026-04-14 14:48:40 +0000 | <comerijn> | Same for Windows 7 |
| 2026-04-14 14:49:01 +0000 | <comerijn> | 11 literally can't even go a month without making explorer unable to start within 5 minutes or bricking the user's C drive |
| 2026-04-14 14:50:27 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | Have you heard claims that 11 is faster than 10? |
| 2026-04-14 14:50:37 +0000 | CiaoSen | (~Jura@p549cbfb1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-04-14 14:50:42 +0000 | Pozyomka_ | (~pyon@user/pyon) (Quit: brb) |
| 2026-04-14 14:50:52 +0000 | Pozyomka | (~pyon@user/pyon) pyon |
| 2026-04-14 14:51:10 +0000 | <comerijn> | No, and I doubt anyone is saying that given the news from the past 6 months |
| 2026-04-14 14:52:10 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| 2026-04-14 14:53:29 +0000 | <int-e> | Milan_Vanca: maybe if you measure users' heart rates? |
| 2026-04-14 14:55:54 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | I feel you guyz I also must work on win11 pc :D |
| 2026-04-14 14:56:40 +0000 | jmcantrell_ | (~weechat@user/jmcantrell) jmcantrell |
| 2026-04-14 14:59:26 +0000 | AlexNoo_ | (~AlexNoo@85.174.182.140) |
| 2026-04-14 15:00:12 +0000 | AlexNoo__ | (~AlexNoo@85.174.182.140) |
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| 2026-04-14 15:01:40 +0000 | tromp | (~textual@2001:1c00:340e:2700:f5bd:97ff:8f76:c38c) |
| 2026-04-14 15:02:03 +0000 | Alex_delenda_est | (~al_test@85.174.182.140) |
| 2026-04-14 15:03:19 +0000 | AlexNoo | (~AlexNoo@178.34.151.36) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) |
| 2026-04-14 15:03:21 +0000 | urdh | (~urdh@user/urdh) (Quit: Boom!) |
| 2026-04-14 15:03:40 +0000 | urdh | (~urdh@user/urdh) urdh |
| 2026-04-14 15:03:41 +0000 | AlexNoo | (~AlexNoo@85.174.182.140) |
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| 2026-04-14 15:04:06 +0000 | <comerijn> | I only use windows on my gaming desktop and at the current rate I'd sooner switch to linux than Win 11/12 |
| 2026-04-14 15:04:18 +0000 | AlexNoo__ | (~AlexNoo@85.174.182.140) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-04-14 15:04:24 +0000 | AlexNoo_ | (~AlexNoo@85.174.182.140) |
| 2026-04-14 15:05:07 +0000 | AlexNoo__ | (~AlexNoo@85.174.182.140) |
| 2026-04-14 15:06:30 +0000 | humasect | (~humasect@dyn-192-249-132-90.nexicom.net) (Quit: Leaving...) |
| 2026-04-14 15:07:02 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | Anyway what I feel world needs is proper portable GUI framework.. There is lot of UI frameworks none quite good enough. Windows has at least 5 native ui frameworks, on linux there is gtk, qt and who know what else. All of them are lacking compared to html/css. But html/css is tied to text formats and js in browsers.. It would be amazing to have ability to compose UI with html/css like capabilities |
| 2026-04-14 15:07:04 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | from C, by importint lib and not to have all that js interpreter and browser specific apis. |
| 2026-04-14 15:07:54 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | HTML/CSS rendering should be extracted to separate library with C binding. And let all javafx, swing, maui, qt, gtk die. |
| 2026-04-14 15:08:02 +0000 | AlexNoo | (~AlexNoo@85.174.182.140) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-04-14 15:08:28 +0000 | AlexZenon | (~alzenon@85.174.182.140) |
| 2026-04-14 15:08:34 +0000 | AlexNoo_ | (~AlexNoo@85.174.182.140) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-04-14 15:09:09 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | And we could finaly have nice native apps. |
| 2026-04-14 15:09:36 +0000 | AlexNoo | (~AlexNoo@85.174.182.140) |
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| 2026-04-14 15:14:06 +0000 | AlexNoo | (~AlexNoo@85.174.182.140) |
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| 2026-04-14 15:23:53 +0000 | duste3 | (~duste3@2a0c:5a84:b303:e00:67b2:7c5d:6992:eff0) |
| 2026-04-14 15:24:06 +0000 | <duste3> | Hello, how to generate cabal.project? I did cabal init but it didn't create it |
| 2026-04-14 15:24:49 +0000 | rembo10 | (~rembo10@main.remulis.com) (Quit: ZNC 1.10.1 - https://znc.in) |
| 2026-04-14 15:25:07 +0000 | rembo10 | (~rembo10@main.remulis.com) rembo10 |
| 2026-04-14 15:29:49 +0000 | <comerijn> | duste3: Do you need one? |
| 2026-04-14 15:29:58 +0000 | <comerijn> | cabal init generates a cabal file |
| 2026-04-14 15:30:07 +0000 | <comerijn> | You do not necessarily need a cabal.project |
| 2026-04-14 15:30:27 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | Isn't it project.cabal? |
| 2026-04-14 15:30:43 +0000 | <geekosaur> | no |
| 2026-04-14 15:30:43 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | ah no |
| 2026-04-14 15:30:55 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | my bad |
| 2026-04-14 15:31:06 +0000 | <int-e> | hmm... https://hackage.haskell.org/package/project isn't taken ;) |
| 2026-04-14 15:31:12 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | :D |
| 2026-04-14 15:31:40 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | I just manually created file cabal.project and that is all |
| 2026-04-14 15:32:11 +0000 | <comerijn> | Milan_Vanca: Like I said, you very often don't even need one |
| 2026-04-14 15:33:00 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) |
| 2026-04-14 15:36:15 +0000 | AlexNoo | (~AlexNoo@85.174.182.140) |
| 2026-04-14 15:36:16 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | comerijn: Yes I agree |
| 2026-04-14 15:38:05 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2026-04-14 15:40:34 +0000 | AlexNoo | (~AlexNoo@85.174.182.140) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
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| 2026-04-14 15:45:32 +0000 | <gentauro> | [exa]: you are at Kent Uni? |
| 2026-04-14 15:46:17 +0000 | <gentauro> | __monty__: no, but you can write typed <@@ … @@> and untyped <@ … @> very easily in F# |
| 2026-04-14 15:46:42 +0000 | <gentauro> | comerijn: ditto |
| 2026-04-14 15:47:58 +0000 | <gentauro> | janus: I've been doing some testing on Native F# combined with UoM and low-level. Rust is in shambles (I will firstly use ANY language that has ML-family syntax with enforced scope indentation) |
| 2026-04-14 15:48:31 +0000 | danza | (~danza@user/danza) danza |
| 2026-04-14 15:51:11 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) |
| 2026-04-14 15:51:33 +0000 | <duste3> | comerijn: yes I have dependencies on gitlab |
| 2026-04-14 15:51:43 +0000 | <duste3> | I created it by hand |
| 2026-04-14 15:52:38 +0000 | <gentauro> | janus: you need .NET core so you can develop from Linux :P (Windows.Forms and other garbage from the Framework doesn't work on Linux) |
| 2026-04-14 15:52:44 +0000 | polykernel_ | (~polykerne@user/polykernel) polykernel |
| 2026-04-14 15:53:07 +0000 | <janus> | gentauro: but who is caring for .NET on linux? i don't think anyone is sufficiently incentivized |
| 2026-04-14 15:53:19 +0000 | <gentauro> | so now `dotnet` is .NET Core, while .NET Framework is "legacy" (and actually not supported anymore, but, too many orgs are still using it) |
| 2026-04-14 15:53:43 +0000 | <janus> | if i have to rely on big-tech, i want it to be supported for the next 30 years |
| 2026-04-14 15:53:44 +0000 | <gentauro> | janus: ehhhh, you know that 99% of everything running on Azure is Linux right? Right? |
| 2026-04-14 15:54:08 +0000 | <janus> | yeah yeah i know. now we're talking about present day microsoft again. a paas company |
| 2026-04-14 15:54:09 +0000 | <int-e> | janus: build with bricks |
| 2026-04-14 15:55:10 +0000 | <janus> | gentauro: the fact that microsoft has 5 UI frameworks for windows, which will be supported into eternity, but they don't even support one on linux, shows you that they are not serious about linux |
| 2026-04-14 15:55:23 +0000 | <gentauro> | janus: a company from the past? What do you know that we dont? Tell us :o |
| 2026-04-14 15:55:38 +0000 | gentauro | btw, I know janus IRL xD |
| 2026-04-14 15:55:51 +0000 | <janus> | i know i am anachronistic |
| 2026-04-14 15:55:53 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2026-04-14 15:56:02 +0000 | <janus> | it's what makes me happy |
| 2026-04-14 15:56:09 +0000 | polykernel | (~polykerne@user/polykernel) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2026-04-14 15:56:09 +0000 | polykernel_ | polykernel |
| 2026-04-14 15:56:37 +0000 | <gentauro> | janus: the "only" good UI ever to come out of Microsoft -> https://github.com/gui-cs/Terminal.Gui (made by Miguel de Icaza) ;) |
| 2026-04-14 15:57:09 +0000 | gentauro | wished we had that for Haskell :'( |
| 2026-04-14 15:57:10 +0000 | <Milan_Vanca> | janus: Sadly not enough ppl.. .NET is amazing... Imagine GHC to work only on macOS? |
| 2026-04-14 15:57:19 +0000 | <janus> | ooh, maybe that is a good idea for WeirdUI! embrace the Windows terminal API! hahaha |
| 2026-04-14 15:57:45 +0000 | redshuffle | (~quassel@45.43.70.75) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2026-04-14 15:57:49 +0000 | <janus> | i've heard that it has advantages, like no in-band signalling like ANSI codes |
| 2026-04-14 15:57:52 +0000 | redshuffle | (~quassel@45.43.70.75) |
| 2026-04-14 15:58:07 +0000 | <janus> | i know microsoft supports ansi now. they've given up. i refuse to let them |
| 2026-04-14 15:59:01 +0000 | <gentauro> | janus: I haven't used Windows in ages, but I have made .NET projects (all from NixOS + Xmonad + Emacs) |
| 2026-04-14 15:59:51 +0000 | <janus> | gentauro: what's the story behind your green-on-black terminal colors without syntax highlighting? |
| 2026-04-14 16:00:05 +0000 | <gentauro> | janus: huh? |
| 2026-04-14 16:00:06 +0000 | <janus> | is that how it looked when you got into programming? genuine question. |
| 2026-04-14 16:00:24 +0000 | <janus> | gentauro: i've seen your screenshots, they often have green text on a black background |
| 2026-04-14 16:00:46 +0000 | <gentauro> | janus: this is my access to programming -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Amstrad_CPC464.jpg |
| 2026-04-14 16:01:03 +0000 | gentauro | perhaps this is for #haskell-offtopic? |
| 2026-04-14 16:01:15 +0000 | <janus> | yeah sorry |
| 2026-04-14 16:03:56 +0000 | karenw | (~karenw@user/karenw) karenw |
| 2026-04-14 16:04:15 +0000 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) () |
| 2026-04-14 16:10:11 +0000 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah |
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| 2026-04-14 16:23:12 +0000 | <[exa]> | gentauro: no in Prague |
| 2026-04-14 16:30:38 +0000 | karenw | (~karenw@user/karenw) (Quit: Deep into that darkness peering...) |
| 2026-04-14 16:30:39 +0000 | uli-fem | (~uli-fem@203.87.114.209) |
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| 2026-04-14 16:34:23 +0000 | elarks | (~elarks@user/yerrii) yerrii |
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| 2026-04-14 16:39:16 +0000 | sord937 | (~sord937@gateway/tor-sasl/sord937) (Quit: sord937) |
| 2026-04-14 16:45:32 +0000 | misterfish | (~misterfis@84.53.85.146) misterfish |
| 2026-04-14 16:48:54 +0000 | pavonia | (~user@user/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!) |
| 2026-04-14 16:49:46 +0000 | tzh | (~tzh@c-76-115-131-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net) tzh |
| 2026-04-14 16:51:08 +0000 | <gentauro> | [exa]: is Tomas in Prague? :o |
| 2026-04-14 16:51:53 +0000 | <gentauro> | oh, I guess him and the wife (both from CZ) moved back to EU once Brexit. Makes sense |
| 2026-04-14 16:53:53 +0000 | Milan_Vanca | (~milan@user/Milan-Vanca:32634) (Quit: WeeChat 4.7.2) |
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| 2026-04-14 17:52:10 +0000 | <[exa]> | gentauro: yeah, the cause was not brexit afaik but yeah they're here |
| 2026-04-14 17:52:27 +0000 | <[exa]> | cool guy for sure |
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| 2026-04-14 18:54:11 +0000 | <gentauro> | [exa]: and Evalina is cool as well. You proably have seen her talks right? |
| 2026-04-14 18:55:21 +0000 | gentauro | https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=evelina+gabasova |
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