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2025-02-06 00:01:50 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Or you just carry on the torch. |
2025-02-06 00:02:32 +0100 | <dminuoso> | misterfish: Seems it never has been. Are you sure you arent suddenly using something that requires this shared object now? |
2025-02-06 00:02:58 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Or maybe something in PA changed that induced vesktop to load that shared object. |
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2025-02-06 00:05:16 +0100 | <dminuoso> | misterfish: Hah, its an electron app. |
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2025-02-06 03:32:13 +0100 | <r-sta> | hi i have a problem deconstructing a binary tree |
2025-02-06 03:32:28 +0100 | <r-sta> | normally i can deconstruct a tree because it has any number of branches |
2025-02-06 03:32:34 +0100 | <r-sta> | now i cant "traverse" |
2025-02-06 03:32:41 +0100 | <r-sta> | and have to do "one value at a time" |
2025-02-06 03:32:47 +0100 | <r-sta> | idk how to approach this |
2025-02-06 03:32:53 +0100 | <r-sta> | i have never come accross the formalism |
2025-02-06 03:32:54 +0100 | <r-sta> | any help? |
2025-02-06 03:33:23 +0100 | <r-sta> | (its like being forced to do the suspended traversal by the non-deconstructability) |
2025-02-06 03:33:50 +0100 | <r-sta> | (i cant go deconstructing branches and still be left with a *binary* tree) |
2025-02-06 03:34:14 +0100 | j1n37 | (~j1n37@user/j1n37) j1n37 |
2025-02-06 03:34:25 +0100 | <r-sta> | i think iiuc the traversability of the branches is not from deconstruct/reconstruct |
2025-02-06 03:34:38 +0100 | <r-sta> | and this is somehow tainting the whole structure |
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2025-02-06 03:39:55 +0100 | Inst__ | (~Inst__@2601:6c1:786:fb0:b0d9:e54c:aa23:7982) |
2025-02-06 03:40:30 +0100 | <Inst__> | Sclv: |
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2025-02-06 03:40:56 +0100 | <sclv> | ? |
2025-02-06 03:41:05 +0100 | <Inst__> | i recently found this guy, you might find him interesting |
2025-02-06 03:41:07 +0100 | <Inst__> | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lawvere |
2025-02-06 03:41:17 +0100 | <sclv> | i’m aware |
2025-02-06 03:41:44 +0100 | <sclv> | and yes, he is |
2025-02-06 03:41:53 +0100 | <r-sta> | what, a topos? |
2025-02-06 03:42:06 +0100 | <Inst__> | Oh, have a good one, found him when I was trying to do dialectics, and got censored off RedNote for asking about basing dialectics in mathematical logic |
2025-02-06 03:42:30 +0100 | <r-sta> | one simply doesnt ought... |
2025-02-06 03:42:31 +0100 | <sclv> | andrei rodin |
2025-02-06 03:42:52 +0100 | <sclv> | has a good book about lawvere in that regars |
2025-02-06 03:43:03 +0100 | <r-sta> | ... |
2025-02-06 03:43:13 +0100 | <Inst__> | Ah, survivors of the Soviet attempt to find a mathematical grounding for Dialectical Materialism? |
2025-02-06 03:43:51 +0100 | <r-sta> | so i think my problem is that if you deconstruct a n-d binary grid, that it creates a view to the reconstructed version, where there is no intermediate type to hold the deconstructed thing. its not an n-d euclidean binary grid, when one of the cells is being viewed |
2025-02-06 03:44:23 +0100 | <r-sta> | like a square with a square corner missing is not a square |
2025-02-06 03:44:47 +0100 | <Inst__> | Thanks for the rec, best of luck. |
2025-02-06 03:44:49 +0100 | <r-sta> | and this is completely messing up all my types. which work on eg, trees with lists as branches |
2025-02-06 03:45:07 +0100 | <r-sta> | ie, where the branches are traversable by virtue of their deconstructability |
2025-02-06 03:45:29 +0100 | <r-sta> | im totally stuck doing everything just on one element, it doesnt follw any of the usual tail recursive patterns |
2025-02-06 03:45:33 +0100 | Inst__ | (~Inst__@2601:6c1:786:fb0:b0d9:e54c:aa23:7982) (Quit: Client closed) |
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2025-02-06 03:46:39 +0100 | <r-sta> | something like "things that can be piecewise deconstructed, by repeated deconstruction. vs things that only support one view" |
2025-02-06 03:47:05 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) alfiee |
2025-02-06 03:47:17 +0100 | <r-sta> | "how do you expect me to deconstruct the square with the corner missing!! oh no!!" |
2025-02-06 03:47:18 +0100 | <r-sta> | and you have to not try to do that |
2025-02-06 03:47:32 +0100 | <r-sta> | which comes from just wanting to recurse as usual |
2025-02-06 03:47:51 +0100 | <r-sta> | its like "no, you view only one element" |
2025-02-06 03:47:52 +0100 | <r-sta> | and i dont have a type abstraction which supports this |
2025-02-06 03:48:33 +0100 | <r-sta> | assuming i now have to come up with this... any suggestions? |
2025-02-06 03:49:59 +0100 | anpad | (~pandeyan@user/anpad) anpad |
2025-02-06 03:50:02 +0100 | <r-sta> | the best i can come up with is that, the view is not returning the type for the thing deconstructed, as the thing not-deconstructed. this means you cant go on to continually apply the deconstruction. ie, through a non, type equality, that the geti,seti paradigm is abstracted over, to settings where repeated deconstruction might not occur |
2025-02-06 03:50:28 +0100 | <r-sta> | previously had, geti+seti = traversable, but now have only this in a special case where the deconstructed thing is the same type as the thing you deconstructed. |
2025-02-06 03:51:03 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
2025-02-06 03:51:16 +0100 | <r-sta> | "i can deconstruct your type into a value, some structure data, and another type with the rest of the data" |
2025-02-06 03:51:23 +0100 | Inst__ | (~Inst__@2601:6c1:786:fb0:b0d9:e54c:aa23:7982) |
2025-02-06 03:51:34 +0100 | <r-sta> | "if the nother type is the same as the first, this supports recursion and leads to traversability" |
2025-02-06 03:51:40 +0100 | <r-sta> | "if not, you just get a cursor" |
2025-02-06 03:51:42 +0100 | alfiee | (~alfiee@user/alfiee) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
2025-02-06 03:51:49 +0100 | <r-sta> | makes sense? |
2025-02-06 03:51:52 +0100 | <r-sta> | anyone!? |
2025-02-06 03:51:56 +0100 | <Inst__> | "Axiomatic Method and Category Theory", Andrei Rodin, awesome |
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2025-02-06 03:52:47 +0100 | <r-sta> | argh! people talk here in indirects. despite spacetime developments. very rude. |
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2025-02-06 04:24:09 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> r-sta didn't give enough context, but I guess a zipper kinda fixes the issues. I don't really know what they were referring to |
2025-02-06 04:24:14 +0100 | anpad | (~pandeyan@user/anpad) anpad |
2025-02-06 04:25:39 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Anyway, any books on category theory using type-theoretic syntax? I got through a ton of introductions and books and still couldn't wrap my head around anything more complex than a limit/colimit |
2025-02-06 04:29:10 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> I assume the syntax is the issue here, because the standard one has somewhat odd conventions and syntax sugar. I think that having a typechecker to play with the concepts would make a difference too (I've been looking into Cubical stuff and cooltt is probably what I'm looking for in that regard) |
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2025-02-06 04:32:58 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> The HoTT book (chapter 9) has something really similar to this "type-theoretic category theory book" idea I'm looking for, any other recommendations? |
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2025-02-06 06:37:53 +0100 | <monochrom> | Next time it will be: argh! people don't answer me at all, very rude. |
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2025-02-06 09:42:15 +0100 | <ncf> | Bowuigi: if you're looking for formal category theory, the 1lab has a bunch |
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2025-02-06 09:48:41 +0100 | piele | (~piele@tbonesteak.creativeserver.net) (Quit: Ciao!) |
2025-02-06 09:49:52 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Yeah but I usually don't understand the stuff there, maybe it is because I browse it like a wiki lol |
2025-02-06 09:52:22 +0100 | <haskellbridge> | <Bowuigi> Oh I read "nlab", not 1lab. Thanks, it seems to be what I'm looking for |
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2025-02-06 13:35:57 +0100 | <dminuoso> | I have a type equality constraint from servant that fails: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/3sMtNrYP |
2025-02-06 13:36:19 +0100 | <dminuoso> | My question is: How can I start and debug this to make progress on my own? |
2025-02-06 13:37:31 +0100 | tnt2 | (~Thunderbi@user/tnt1) tnt1 |
2025-02-06 13:38:03 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Ideally I would like to ask GHC what both of these types compute to, is that possible? |
2025-02-06 13:38:11 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | use :k! in ghci? |
2025-02-06 13:38:33 +0100 | tnt1 | (~Thunderbi@user/tnt1) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
2025-02-06 13:38:33 +0100 | tnt2 | tnt1 |
2025-02-06 13:39:05 +0100 | <tomsmeding> | there was a ghc version where that didn't actually compute type families, but I believe it's been fixed long ago already |
2025-02-06 13:44:44 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Okay, GToServant is not exported |
2025-02-06 13:44:44 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
2025-02-06 13:45:17 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Can I tell GHCi to just ignore its own beliefs and let me use it anyway? |
2025-02-06 13:45:32 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Or is vendoring servant the only option? |
2025-02-06 13:45:36 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) merijn |
2025-02-06 13:45:43 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Ah screw it, Ill just vendor and export that thing. |
2025-02-06 13:46:21 +0100 | dhil | (~dhil@2a0c:b381:5bf:3500:5073:5edd:298b:88ae) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
2025-02-06 13:47:32 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Mmm actually I dont have to, there's a type synoym thats available, great. |
2025-02-06 13:50:00 +0100 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) () |
2025-02-06 13:50:28 +0100 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah |
2025-02-06 13:51:17 +0100 | <dminuoso> | tomsmeding: Mmm, it does not seem to resolve type aliases. |
2025-02-06 13:51:33 +0100 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) () |
2025-02-06 13:51:59 +0100 | L29Ah | (~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah |
2025-02-06 13:54:52 +0100 | <lxsameer> | hey, I need an effecient finit, and strict collection type. any recommendation? |
2025-02-06 13:55:53 +0100 | <dminuoso> | lxsameer: What kind of collection do you have? |
2025-02-06 13:56:06 +0100 | <dminuoso> | And what kind of access pattern? |
2025-02-06 13:59:55 +0100 | merijn | (~merijn@77.242.116.146) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
2025-02-06 14:00:26 +0100 | ash3en | (~Thunderbi@2a03:7846:b6eb:101:93ac:a90a:da67:f207) (Quit: ash3en) |
2025-02-06 14:00:29 +0100 | tnt2 | (~Thunderbi@user/tnt1) tnt1 |
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2025-02-06 14:00:33 +0100 | tnt2 | tnt1 |
2025-02-06 14:01:50 +0100 | <mauke> | ... some sort of vector (?) |
2025-02-06 14:02:39 +0100 | <dminuoso> | Or maybe a hashmap? |
2025-02-06 14:07:19 +0100 | <lxsameer> | dminuoso: something similar to a linked list |
2025-02-06 14:08:37 +0100 | <lxsameer> | mauke: a strict vector would do |
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