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2026-03-21 02:11:46 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> huh
2026-03-21 02:11:56 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> i'm trying to install GHC 9.14 onto my dev server
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2026-03-21 02:12:02 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> and, ummm, it's taking like 10gb to install?
2026-03-21 02:12:05 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> I ran out of space a few times
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2026-03-21 02:34:07 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> that's a lot
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2026-03-21 02:59:48 +0000 <geekosaur> slightly odd; I get 3.6G for my installed one, roughly double while unpacking/installing/copying wouldn't be surprising, but unless it holds onto all temporaries during that 10G seems a little high
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2026-03-21 04:53:36 +0000 <monochrom> We do not know that "10gb" is not a hyperbole and it may mean merely 7gb.
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2026-03-21 05:00:48 +0000 <probie> <joke>Based on my interactions with physicists, I've discovered that "like 10" just means "more than π"</joke>
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2026-03-21 07:49:23 +0000 <gentauro> probie: which is vague, but somehow true
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2026-03-21 08:51:59 +0000 <gentauro> also for physicists, infinity is just `-1/12` xD
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2026-03-21 09:25:50 +0000 <TMA> gentauro: or 0, whatever is needed in any particular case
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2026-03-21 09:37:21 +0000 <mesaoptimizer> GHC, bigger than your average linux distro
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2026-03-21 09:46:07 +0000 <int-e> eh, it's not that big
2026-03-21 09:48:52 +0000 <int-e> Especially if you don't include profiled versions: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c71c57b3
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2026-03-21 10:47:24 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Liamzee> monochrom: well, I install it on the Linux box, space usage goes from 10gb to 20gb, then the linux box runs out of disk space and the installation dies
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2026-03-21 10:49:44 +0000 <gentauro> if you read a (text) file in a strict mode and then apply logic for each line by using (unlines . logic . lines) the I'm guessing we are back to lazyiness right?
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2026-03-21 10:51:33 +0000 <gentauro> to all the many services around the Haskell econsystem, will they be impacted by -> https://letsencrypt.org/2025/05/14/ending-tls-client-authentication?
2026-03-21 10:52:19 +0000gentaurooh, it's from MAY-2025, I guess we would have noticed … but perhaps when certificates need renewal, there would be some problems?
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2026-03-21 14:04:25 +0000 <[exa]> Say I have a tiny package ecosystem (quite similar to e.g. selda, with most versions somewhat synchronized) -- is it more encourageable or agreeable to the community to keep it in a monorepo (like selda does, see https://github.com/valderman/selda) or force split it to repos?
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2026-03-21 16:11:41 +0000 <monochrom> gentauro: lines produces a lazy list.
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2026-03-21 16:16:37 +0000 <monochrom> [exa]: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/ is an example of hosting multiple packages "from the same makers": Cabal, cabal-install, etc.
2026-03-21 16:17:28 +0000 <monochrom> Conversely, the ekmettverse is multiple repos, almost one per package. :)
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2026-03-21 16:23:24 +0000 <gentauro> monochrom: do you know how to "force" `unlines . logic . lines` to be strict again?
2026-03-21 16:24:07 +0000 <gentauro> perhaps https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/base-4.22.0.0/docs/Prelude.html#v:foldl-39-
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2026-03-21 16:25:15 +0000 <monochrom> There is no benefit in forcing the final list. (Even forcing the input list from I/O has only marginal benefit at a great cost.) But you can always slap on a deepseq/rnf.
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2026-03-21 16:32:14 +0000 <gentauro> monochrom: good to know
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2026-03-21 18:00:04 +0000 <[exa]> gentauro: what's the input of `lines` btw in your case? (suspecting `interact` or `getContents`?)
2026-03-21 18:00:49 +0000 <[exa]> monochrom: oh wow I didn't notice cabal does the same. I guess I can refer to that as good practices in case anyone complains. :D
2026-03-21 18:00:54 +0000 <[exa]> monochrom: thanks :)
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2026-03-21 18:18:28 +0000 <gentauro> [exa]: a text file. If a flag is enabled (line-numer) I will prepend the line number to each of the lines.
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2026-03-21 18:20:09 +0000 <[exa]> gentauro: oh I meant what you use to read it from the file
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2026-03-21 19:09:00 +0000 <gentauro> [exa]: this -> https://gitlab.com/a-gent/a-gent/-/blob/main/src/Agent/IO/Restricted.hs?ref_type=heads#L700 (had the snippet from somewhere)
2026-03-21 19:09:26 +0000 <gentauro> by requuesting lenght, it forces to read all lines
2026-03-21 19:10:14 +0000gentaurojust build simplex-chat tui from github repo and they seem to have been inspired by my code. No longer `wacko` stuff when typing (Y)
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2026-03-21 20:56:45 +0000 <glguy> Why might I be getting "The program 'alex' is required but it could not be found" when I try to install alex? I'm on a mac, I've tried with cabal-3.14 and 3.16, ghc-9.8 and 9.14, and I recently did a cabal update
2026-03-21 20:56:52 +0000ChaiTRex(~ChaiTRex@user/chaitrex) ChaiTRex
2026-03-21 20:57:11 +0000 <glguy> I found some stuff in tickets about people having this kind of problem in 2014
2026-03-21 20:58:43 +0000 <glguy> but the answers were that it was fixed in a recent release :)
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2026-03-21 21:21:12 +0000 <monochrom> Yeah alex is self-bootstrapping. Many years ago when I didn't use cabal-install, one day I did `make clean`, then `make` failed because you know why. :)
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2026-03-21 21:30:05 +0000 <geekosaur> it's currently broken again (https://github.com/haskell/alex/issues/288)
2026-03-21 21:30:20 +0000 <geekosaur> mis-generated sdists, apparently
2026-03-21 21:30:27 +0000 <monochrom> Yeah.
2026-03-21 21:30:48 +0000 <geekosaur> I'm currently working around it for cabal CI
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2026-03-21 22:38:01 +0000 <statusbot> Maintenance update: Hackage is back operational. -- http://status.haskell.org/pages/maintenance/537c07b0cf1fad5830000093/69bf12605962000a23bc3bf1
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