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2025-12-21 03:41:48 +0000itaipu(~itaipu@168.121.97.28) itaipu
2025-12-21 03:43:27 +0000 <hololeap> is there a way to get the default `compare` for a data type without deriving Ord?
2025-12-21 03:44:15 +0000 <hololeap> I want to compare one inner value first, then fall back to the default `compare`
2025-12-21 03:44:45 +0000 <hololeap> (the data type has a lot of constructors so it will be tedious to write the whole thing by hand)
2025-12-21 03:46:21 +0000 <hololeap> transformers-compat only has Ord1
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2025-12-21 09:20:13 +0000 <tomsmeding> hololeap: not with a guarantee that you get the actual default `compare`, because GHC only produces that when you `deriving (Ord)`; you'd have to find a library
2025-12-21 09:21:24 +0000 <[exa]> hololeap: can you derive it for some wrapper/related newtype or so and then coerce? (or maybe the other way)
2025-12-21 09:21:58 +0000 <[exa]> good mornin' btw
2025-12-21 09:22:30 +0000 <hololeap> good morning
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2025-12-21 18:15:51 +0000 <milan2> Hello guyz, I have a quastion based on assumption. So lets start with that. Is it true that it is best to build lists from other lists by use of foldr?
2025-12-21 18:16:59 +0000 <milan2> If that is true then I should prefer that over foldl. However I had to use foldl, now does using foldr have meaning? I guess it still has right?
2025-12-21 18:17:46 +0000 <milan2> foldr s3 . folrl s2 . foldl s1
2025-12-21 18:18:43 +0000 <c_wraith> "best" is vague.
2025-12-21 18:19:12 +0000 <milan2> Even for purpose of producing new list from old lists?
2025-12-21 18:19:18 +0000 <geekosaur> I think building lists from other lists is actually better done with difference lists in most cases, because folds will traverse the lists multiple times?
2025-12-21 18:19:25 +0000 <geekosaur> but it will depend on the exact intent
2025-12-21 18:19:26 +0000 <c_wraith> sure. What's the best for implementing reverse?
2025-12-21 18:19:45 +0000 <c_wraith> @src reverse
2025-12-21 18:19:45 +0000 <lambdabot> reverse = foldl (flip (:)) []
2025-12-21 18:20:58 +0000 <milan2> chain of foldr should not traverse multiple times?
2025-12-21 18:21:20 +0000 <milan2> c_wraith: Ok, so for reverse foldl is preferable.
2025-12-21 18:21:41 +0000 <c_wraith> I think what you're getting at is foldr/build fusion
2025-12-21 18:22:04 +0000 <c_wraith> Participating in that on both sides requires using both foldr and build
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2025-12-21 18:23:14 +0000 <milan2> c_wraith: Now I am lost a little, could you elaborate on "build" or provide some documentation?
2025-12-21 18:23:50 +0000 <c_wraith> see https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/ghc-internal-9.1401.0/docs/src/GHC.Internal.Base.html#… for an example. In particular, pay attention to the long section of comments.
2025-12-21 18:24:16 +0000 <c_wraith> build itself is documented at https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/base-4.22.0.0/docs/GHC-List.html#v:build
2025-12-21 18:24:21 +0000 <milan2> Ty :)
2025-12-21 18:24:59 +0000 <probie> @src foldl
2025-12-21 18:24:59 +0000 <lambdabot> foldl f z [] = z
2025-12-21 18:24:59 +0000 <lambdabot> foldl f z (x:xs) = foldl f (f z x) xs
2025-12-21 18:25:30 +0000 <c_wraith> yeah, the @src database is not what GHC actually uses, either.
2025-12-21 18:27:02 +0000 <probie> Yeah, looking at the source for base `foldl k z0 xs = foldr (\(v::a) (fn::b->b) -> oneShot (\(z::b) -> fn (k z v))) (id :: b -> b) xs z0`
2025-12-21 18:27:08 +0000 <probie> which is the sort of think I was expecting to see
2025-12-21 18:27:24 +0000 <probie> s/think/thing/
2025-12-21 18:28:00 +0000 <c_wraith> the @src database is older than the optimizations in GHC that allow foldl-via-foldr to be a good consumer.
2025-12-21 18:28:36 +0000 <c_wraith> that optimization was... uh.... "precise arity analysis"?
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2025-12-21 18:29:38 +0000 <c_wraith> https://www.joachim-breitner.de/publications/CallArity-TFP.pdf Well. Sometimes it gets called that.
2025-12-21 18:30:33 +0000 <milan2> c_wraith: I think I understand what build does, so for chaining foldr multiple lists are created. But that should not matter as they are produced lazily?
2025-12-21 18:32:20 +0000 <c_wraith> it minimizes garbage collector churn
2025-12-21 18:33:00 +0000 <c_wraith> every one of those (:) that's actually allocated still goes on the heap and still needs to be collected later.
2025-12-21 18:34:23 +0000 <c_wraith> For tight loops, that can make a big difference.
2025-12-21 18:36:04 +0000 <c_wraith> I've definitely written code where using build cut the run time by about 65%.... given the specific way the list was later being consumed.
2025-12-21 18:36:52 +0000 <milan2> That is considerable.
2025-12-21 18:37:09 +0000 <c_wraith> .... also, it was the runtime of that specific operation. Not the whole program. I should be clear, it was a micro-optimization.
2025-12-21 18:40:01 +0000 <c_wraith> But the moral of the story - there are a lot of ways to consume and produce lists. Which one is best can be pretty context-dependent. For broad rules: use the least powerful tool that gets the job done.
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2025-12-21 18:41:07 +0000 <milan2> I guess, I am still noob and optimizations are not needed for Advent of Code :D
2025-12-21 18:44:31 +0000 <c_wraith> Yeah. In the context of aoc, just avoid the big performance pitfalls and you'll be fine. I mean, people use *far* slower runtimes than what you get out of GHC without trouble. Algorithm choice is the big deal.
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2025-12-21 18:46:02 +0000 <c_wraith> I was actually amused my testing for Day 8, part 2 showed that the classic hyper-optimized mutable reference algorithms weren't any faster than just using Data.Map. At least at that size of problem.
2025-12-21 18:53:28 +0000 <monochrom> If you consult base source code for performance prediction, don't forget to look for RULES which can totally override normal source code.
2025-12-21 18:55:54 +0000CiaoSen(~Jura@2a02:8071:64e1:da0:5a47:caff:fe78:33db) CiaoSen
2025-12-21 18:56:05 +0000 <monochrom> In the case of lists, those rules will suggest that the best way to build list is to use `build`, ironically literally. >:)
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2025-12-21 19:34:31 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Artem> c_wraith: I've rediscovered this several times over the years I did AoC
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2025-12-21 19:55:43 +0000 <milan2> Could anybody check correct answer for aoc 2015 day 3 part 2? I don't believe I have wrong answer. It compiled so it must be correct! Right?! Right?!
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2025-12-21 20:16:18 +0000 <milan2> Ah list I constructed by self recursive function was reversed.
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2025-12-21 21:24:17 +0000 <cheater> ne1 here try granule
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2025-12-21 21:29:24 +0000 <EvanR> if it compiles it must be true
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2025-12-21 21:45:23 +0000 <int-e> hmm, reversing the input (at least that's what I think it was) is a fun one.
2025-12-21 21:47:47 +0000 <hololeap> haskell's type system can't prevent reverse-string footguns
2025-12-21 21:48:22 +0000 <hololeap> (or anything of the nature of "the right things in the wrong places")
2025-12-21 21:48:41 +0000 <hololeap> you still need to write tests
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2025-12-21 21:49:16 +0000 <int-e> just don't make mistakes ;)
2025-12-21 21:49:54 +0000 <c_wraith> that's the part of programming people keep forgetting
2025-12-21 21:49:54 +0000 <hololeap> of course :)
2025-12-21 21:51:05 +0000 <int-e> The thing is, the given examples are too symmetric and part 1 is actually fine with the reversed input. So it's a pretty brilliant bug to have in this problem.
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2025-12-21 21:53:09 +0000 <EvanR> one day we will have the perfect type system that makes mistakes impossible
2025-12-21 21:53:18 +0000 <EvanR> except writing the types wrong
2025-12-21 21:54:12 +0000 <EvanR> before you can play an unlosable game you have to define the game
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2025-12-21 22:13:27 +0000 <monochrom> Don't play to play, just don't play. >:)
2025-12-21 22:15:33 +0000 <int-e> I actually managed to get through this nerd snipe attack without writing a single line of code. (I did, however, google a writeup that included part 2.)
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2025-12-21 22:55:41 +0000 <yin> Lists belong in the Control namespace
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2025-12-21 23:19:51 +0000 <EvanR> also monads in the Data
2025-12-21 23:26:37 +0000 <haskellbridge> <loonycyborg> If there's Data.Data then why there isn't Control.Control? :P
2025-12-21 23:29:22 +0000 <monochrom> GHC has only recently begun to provided delimited continuations. But eventually Control.Control would be a great home for its stable API. :)
2025-12-21 23:29:58 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-21 23:31:52 +0000corecaps(~quassel@user/corecaps) (Quit: Segmentaiton fault, core dumped)
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2025-12-21 23:38:10 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-12-21 23:39:03 +0000 <probie> EvanR: We already have the perfect type system that makes mistakes impossible
2025-12-21 23:39:20 +0000 <probie> It's uninhabited
2025-12-21 23:40:11 +0000Lycurgus(~juan@user/Lycurgus) Lycurgus
2025-12-21 23:42:22 +0000 <EvanR> is that like Falso
2025-12-21 23:42:39 +0000 <EvanR> https://inutile.club/estatis/falso/
2025-12-21 23:42:55 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-cl.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025-12-21 23:45:52 +0000 <probie> It's the opposite of Falso
2025-12-21 23:47:29 +0000 <probie> If our type system has no inhabitants, there are no valid programs, and therefore none of our programs can have any mistakes
2025-12-21 23:50:06 +0000Pozyomka(~pyon@user/pyon) (Quit: bbl)
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2025-12-21 23:53:50 +0000Lycurgus(~juan@user/Lycurgus) (Quit: alsoknownas.renjuan.org ( juan@acm.org ))
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2025-12-21 23:59:50 +0000Square2(~Square@user/square) Square