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2025-10-06 02:07:30 +0000 <yang_> perser combinators are way cool but recently I fell in love with the simplicity of semantic regexes I learned while using scheme
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2025-10-06 02:19:06 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> are those regexps with a more human readable syntax ?
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2025-10-06 03:14:50 +0000 <dcpagan> Not really a Haskell question, but is there a standard mathematical notation for a unary prefix operator denoting the reciprocal?
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2025-10-06 03:17:14 +0000 <monochrom> No, it has always been postfix superscript -1.
2025-10-06 03:17:46 +0000 <monochrom> Standard math notation was evolved not designed.
2025-10-06 03:18:09 +0000 <dcpagan> Man, I really hate that notation. That's not even an operator, but an exponent.
2025-10-06 03:18:43 +0000 <dcpagan> We overloaded minus in an unary context to mean negation. Why can't we do the same thing with the solidus?
2025-10-06 03:19:24 +0000 <dcpagan> "2 + -2 = 0" is accepted. Why not "2 * /2 = 1"?
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2025-10-06 03:27:02 +0000 <Maxdamantus> Is "2 + - - 2 = 4" accepted?
2025-10-06 03:28:12 +0000 <Maxdamantus> works in JS at least, dunno about standard notation.
2025-10-06 03:29:55 +0000 <Maxdamantus> I vote for "x 0 1 - ^" as the notation for reciprocals.
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2025-10-06 03:40:17 +0000 <dcpagan> Prefix operators usually have no space between them and their operand.
2025-10-06 03:40:30 +0000 <dcpagan> Also, they often are parenthesized with the operand.
2025-10-06 03:44:15 +0000 <Maxdamantus> So is "2 + --2 = 4" accepted then?
2025-10-06 03:44:41 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-06 03:44:41 +0000 <jreicher> dcpagan: I think this is a bit like arguing cube root should be a unary operator
2025-10-06 03:45:31 +0000 <jreicher> Square root kind of is through omission of the number, but not even squaring is a unary operator
2025-10-06 03:45:45 +0000 <fgidim> i think haskell kind of supports this with sections. don't know if it is readable though. (1/)
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2025-10-06 03:49:56 +0000 <EvanR_> dcpagan, postfix -1 is not necessarily an "exponent"
2025-10-06 03:50:14 +0000 <EvanR_> though it is consistent with exponents e.g. 3.14 * 10^-1
2025-10-06 03:50:20 +0000EvanR_EvanR
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2025-10-06 03:51:51 +0000 <EvanR> and it doesn't just mean reciprocal it's inverse
2025-10-06 03:54:31 +0000 <jreicher> EvanR: I think it amounts to the same if you allow for a fractional number of applications of an operator (e.g. fractional derivative generalises -1 as the antiderivative)
2025-10-06 03:55:17 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-06 03:56:11 +0000 <EvanR> that makes no sense
2025-10-06 03:56:48 +0000 <EvanR> like average number of 2.2 kids
2025-10-06 03:59:07 +0000 <jreicher> I'm not sure it's much worse than moving from multiplication as repeated addition (which requires one number to be a positive integer) to the situation where neither of the numbers are positive integers. Multiplication becomes detached from the intuitive meaning at that point and is just an algebraic operation.
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2025-10-06 04:07:28 +0000 <jreicher> dcpagan: you've really got me thinking about negation now. I actually don't think it's an operator at all. It's an angle.
2025-10-06 04:10:31 +0000 <dcpagan> The context of this question on notation is that I'm playing around with delimited continuations, and I had to program a monad to structure field operations.
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2025-10-06 04:10:54 +0000 <dcpagan> I want an elegant notation standard for formatting the reciprocal.
2025-10-06 04:10:59 +0000 <dcpagan> Here is my sandbox: https://github.com/DCPagan/haskell-sandbox.git
2025-10-06 04:13:17 +0000 <jreicher> That even more convinces me you're not after an operator; you're after a syntactically nice literal notation for certain elements
2025-10-06 04:13:24 +0000 <jreicher> Right?
2025-10-06 04:14:43 +0000 <dcpagan> Yes, I am.
2025-10-06 04:14:59 +0000 <dcpagan> Prefix unary notations parse and format nicely
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2025-10-06 04:18:33 +0000 <dcpagan> And I need to format these field expressions to see how delimited continuations manipulate expressions.
2025-10-06 04:18:55 +0000 <dcpagan> My delimited continuation program prints this: "(* (* 3 /2) (* 5 /2))"
2025-10-06 04:19:56 +0000 <jreicher> I quite like your idea of /2, /3, etc. It's got some solid parallels. 0 is the additive identity, and we omit zero in 0-3, and omit both the zero and the operator in 3-0. 1 is the multiplicative identity, and if we omit both the 1 and the operator in 3/1, it's a solid parallel to omit the number in /3
2025-10-06 04:21:11 +0000 <dcpagan> Omitting units would require parsing 0's and 1's into their respective units, and reformatting the format to an histomorphism to peer deeper into the recursive structure.
2025-10-06 04:22:06 +0000 <EvanR> jreicher, there exists abstraction "monoid with minus operation"
2025-10-06 04:22:14 +0000 <EvanR> monus
2025-10-06 04:22:20 +0000 <dcpagan> But I primarily wrote this sandbox to grok how delimited continuations manipulate computations by designing a simple field monad to structure those computations.
2025-10-06 04:22:46 +0000 <dcpagan> Algebraically speaking, the minus operator is the right inverse additive group operator.
2025-10-06 04:23:11 +0000 <dcpagan> Divide is the right inverse partial group operator of the field.
2025-10-06 04:23:14 +0000 <jreicher> EvanR: yeah I've come across monus with Church numerals.
2025-10-06 04:23:23 +0000 <dcpagan> What's a monus?
2025-10-06 04:23:50 +0000 <jreicher> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monus
2025-10-06 04:24:38 +0000 <dcpagan> That looks like a partial obelus.
2025-10-06 04:25:39 +0000 <dcpagan> I deliberatively took out the minus and divide operators in my monad to base it on abstract algebraic terms.
2025-10-06 04:25:48 +0000 <EvanR> dennis ritchie's phd thesis? then it's canon
2025-10-06 04:26:09 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-06 04:26:17 +0000 <dcpagan> Which is why the lack of a sane unary prefix for the reciprocal so vexes me.
2025-10-06 04:26:44 +0000 <jreicher> When you first asked your question I grabbed my copy of Concrete Mathematics. I thought if anyone was going to be fussy about notation, Knuth would be...
2025-10-06 04:27:20 +0000 <dcpagan> I have Serge Lang's Algebra with me right now, and even he uses (^-1).
2025-10-06 04:28:48 +0000 <jreicher> Mathematicians don't usually write parsers. And I'm not joking; I think that's the real difference in what you're doing. Means you have literals for the elements.
2025-10-06 04:29:53 +0000 <Leary> dcpagan: Just write `recip` or `invert` or `inverse` and be done with it. It doesn't matter if it isn't standard if it can be understood at a glance.
2025-10-06 04:30:38 +0000 <EvanR> we have it
2025-10-06 04:30:40 +0000 <EvanR> recip
2025-10-06 04:30:42 +0000 <EvanR> enjoy
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2025-10-06 04:31:25 +0000 <EvanR> pretty sure I've seen a function called "inv" somewhere
2025-10-06 04:31:40 +0000 <EvanR> saving you two characters
2025-10-06 04:34:06 +0000litharge`(litharge@libera/bot/litharge) litharge
2025-10-06 04:34:22 +0000 <jreicher> https://aplwiki.com/wiki/Reciprocal same idea, basically (fairly Iverson was also fussy about notation)
2025-10-06 04:34:29 +0000 <jreicher> ...fairly sure...
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2025-10-06 04:34:37 +0000 <dcpagan> I recently took a glance at ISO 80000-2 and discovered that the international standard parses the solidus ("/") divide operator with a very low precedence to denote fractional notation, and split the whole expression into numerator and denominator.
2025-10-06 04:34:42 +0000 <dcpagan> https://raptros.com/blog/2019-obelus/
2025-10-06 04:34:56 +0000 <dcpagan> Standard mathematical notation is cracked.
2025-10-06 04:36:06 +0000 <EvanR> a big ass line between two expressions to denote a fraction was pioneered by the egyptians if you squint hard enough
2025-10-06 04:36:15 +0000 <dcpagan> That's nothing like how bc parses expressions.
2025-10-06 04:36:31 +0000 <EvanR> | over numeral for whatever number was the reciprocol of that number
2025-10-06 04:36:48 +0000 <EvanR> spookily similar to today's notation
2025-10-06 04:37:31 +0000 <EvanR> for some reason it wasn't proper to put anything other than one in the numerator
2025-10-06 04:38:05 +0000 <EvanR> not that that was considered "the numerator"
2025-10-06 04:38:22 +0000 <EvanR> just notation (?)
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2025-10-06 04:43:51 +0000 <dcpagan> jreicher: Overloading the obelus ("Ă·") for the reciprocal seems like a good idea; ISO 80000-2 has deprecated its use for division, so I may as well overload it to mean reciprocal for my personal notation.
2025-10-06 04:45:31 +0000 <jreicher> Honestly I didn't know APL had that. But I was aware of Iverson's other work on notation.
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2025-10-06 09:27:04 +0000 <bwe> How do I run JS from Haskell? Like https://kiesel.dev/.
2025-10-06 09:27:27 +0000 <dminuoso> bwe: Depends, do you need *any* bindings at all?
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2025-10-06 09:28:25 +0000 <dminuoso> i.e. any kind of FFI, or just input/outout bindings, or do you just want to run Node.js as a process?
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2025-10-06 09:29:33 +0000 <merijn> dminuoso: That link is an embeded JS interpreter afaict
2025-10-06 09:29:53 +0000 <merijn> Written in Zig, so I'm guessing the answer is "interact with it's API via FFI"
2025-10-06 09:29:54 +0000dostoevsky(~dostoevsk@user/dostoevsky) dostoevsky
2025-10-06 09:30:03 +0000 <dminuoso> merijn: Well Im not quite sure how the website demonstrates any sort of requirements.
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2025-10-06 09:30:11 +0000 <dminuoso> Apart from "it runs javascript"
2025-10-06 09:30:23 +0000 <dminuoso> Because then its just `runProcess`
2025-10-06 09:32:11 +0000 <dminuoso> From a security perspective alone, user definable code must run at least in a separate process.
2025-10-06 09:32:13 +0000 <bwe> dminuoso: I've no clue at the moment (I am trying to get a basic yt-dlp working which executes the YT player js). So, specifically, equivalent to https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/blob/master/yt_dlp/jsinterp.py#L263
2025-10-06 09:32:21 +0000 <dminuoso> (To me, a separate process wouldn't even be enough)
2025-10-06 09:32:48 +0000 <bwe> (I am not sure whether the Zig thing would map to the requirement, tbh)
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2025-10-06 09:36:42 +0000 <dminuoso> bwe: jsaddle is probably your best bet.
2025-10-06 09:37:58 +0000 <bwe> here we go: https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/jsaddle-0.9.9.3/docs/Language-Javascript-JSaddle-Evalu…
2025-10-06 09:39:30 +0000 <dminuoso> bwe: Im not entirely sure how you would attach jsaddle to a standalone javascript engine (or whether its possible)
2025-10-06 09:39:59 +0000 <dminuoso> I mean you could use a browser if you're fine with that.
2025-10-06 09:40:31 +0000 <bwe> dminuoso: do you understand jsaddle to just run the script OR that it requires some engine to do the job?
2025-10-06 09:41:27 +0000 <dminuoso> bwe: It does require an engine, but you cant just straight up "pick v8" for instance.
2025-10-06 09:44:22 +0000annamalai(~annamalai@157.33.222.95) annamalai
2025-10-06 09:53:36 +0000 <bwe> So, what is https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/jsaddle-0.9.9.3/docs/Language-Javascript-JSaddle-Evalu… then doing if it is not using an engine?
2025-10-06 09:56:40 +0000merijn(~merijn@77.242.116.146) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2025-10-06 09:57:58 +0000 <dminuoso> bwe: It does not give you IO JSVal.
2025-10-06 09:58:38 +0000 <dminuoso> bwe: Note that JSM is essentially a `JSContextRef` attached to some IO that needs to be actually fed to a JavaScript engine.
2025-10-06 09:59:30 +0000 <dminuoso> https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/jsaddle-0.9.9.3/docs/Language-Javascript-JSaddle-Null.…
2025-10-06 09:59:33 +0000 <dminuoso> Is one of those things
2025-10-06 09:59:57 +0000 <dminuoso> But that one doesnt actually do anything.
2025-10-06 10:00:53 +0000 <dminuoso> https://hackage-content.haskell.org/package/jsaddle-warp-0.9.9.5/docs/Language-Javascript-JSaddle-…
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2025-10-06 11:51:12 +0000 <yang_> same in at least some array languages
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2025-10-06 14:31:20 +0000 <tomsmeding> [exa]: update, in case you're interested https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/26465
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2025-10-06 15:24:31 +0000 <[exa]> tomsmeding: wow cool, thx
2025-10-06 15:25:32 +0000 <tomsmeding> reporting bugs like these to ghc is fun, you get to see very smart people solve problems
2025-10-06 15:25:49 +0000 <[exa]> yeah I'm completely lost there
2025-10-06 15:25:51 +0000 <[exa]> :D
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2025-10-06 17:17:05 +0000 <dminuoso> Mmm, staring at the text it does not read that complicated.
2025-10-06 17:17:48 +0000 <mauke> *zonk*
2025-10-06 17:18:42 +0000 <dminuoso> https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/cvs-ghc/2012-September/076185.html
2025-10-06 17:18:51 +0000 <dminuoso> "Remember to zonk the skolems of an implication"
2025-10-06 17:19:16 +0000 <dminuoso> We Haskellers just love using funky names
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2025-10-06 18:25:22 +0000 <tomsmeding> dminuoso: right, the problem diagnosis by Sam sounds like something sensible to me (though I haven't cross-referenced the ghc code -- just the description sounds sensible)
2025-10-06 18:25:47 +0000 <tomsmeding> but as he says, whether one can just... not do that zonking is a question I have no idea how to answer :)
2025-10-06 18:26:21 +0000 <tomsmeding> someone seems to have thought at some point that it was essential, presumably to preserve some kind of invariant -- naturally, said invariant was not documented
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2025-10-06 21:12:12 +0000remexre(~remexre@user/remexre) remexre
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2025-10-06 21:19:41 +0000 <jreicher> dminuoso: well, skolem is an actual name. :)
2025-10-06 21:20:04 +0000remexre(~remexre@user/remexre) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2025-10-06 21:20:06 +0000 <dminuoso> jreicher: Im sure so is Zonk.
2025-10-06 21:20:44 +0000jreicherdoes a web search for zonk's lemma...
2025-10-06 21:23:19 +0000ski(~ski@remote11.chalmers.se) ski
2025-10-06 21:24:20 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
2025-10-06 21:25:41 +0000Googulator11(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-03fa-5967-6f2a-1e2d-f05a.pool6.digikabel.hu)
2025-10-06 21:25:45 +0000Googulator65(~Googulato@2a01-036d-0106-03fa-5967-6f2a-1e2d-f05a.pool6.digikabel.hu) (Quit: Client closed)
2025-10-06 21:27:05 +0000 <dolio> "Zonk is the sound it makes"
2025-10-06 21:27:10 +0000 <int-e> There's this red rat thing: https://www.sigikid.de/en/Zonk-the-consolation-prize-of-Geh-aufs-Ganze/81304
2025-10-06 21:28:02 +0000 <mauke> https://c.nau.ch/i/oa9d6/1360/680/jorg-draeger-re-daniel-boschmann-und-die-schonste-niete-im-deuts…
2025-10-06 21:28:59 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2025-10-06 21:31:08 +0000 <jreicher> So the wombles had a type theorist in the family all along
2025-10-06 21:31:44 +0000remexre(~remexre@user/remexre) remexre
2025-10-06 21:39:31 +0000[exa]zonks some thunks
2025-10-06 21:39:44 +0000merijn(~merijn@host-vr.cgnat-g.v4.dfn.nl) merijn
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2025-10-06 21:55:23 +0000fgarciafeeds the STG machine a bunch of functions
2025-10-06 21:55:50 +0000 <[exa]> fgarcia: listen to the machine. what do you hear?
2025-10-06 21:56:10 +0000 <int-e> "thunk"
2025-10-06 21:56:19 +0000 <fgarcia> it doesn't sound too happy
2025-10-06 21:56:20 +0000 <int-e> or maybe *thunk*
2025-10-06 21:57:06 +0000 <[exa]> strong nethack vibes with "Machine eats the function. You hear a muffled thunk."
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