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2024-11-15 01:47:08 +0000 <zero> funny how haskell classes inherit the same problem as oop inheritence
2024-11-15 01:47:27 +0000 <zero> pun intended i guess
2024-11-15 01:51:19 +0000 <Axman6> Multiple (problem) inheritance
2024-11-15 01:52:48 +0000 <monochrom> What is the problem?
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2024-11-15 02:19:08 +0000 <Axman6> it makes sorting out the will much more difficult
2024-11-15 02:19:27 +0000 <monochrom> haha
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2024-11-15 02:29:14 +0000 <EvanR> one problem with oop inheritance, usually, is joe schmoe want's his class to inherit from multiple other classes simultaneously. It's a problem either because you aren't allowed to do it, or because you are allowed to do it (e.g. in python)
2024-11-15 02:29:24 +0000 <EvanR> not sure how that translates to haskell
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2024-11-15 03:04:11 +0000 <sm> I guess: long chains of dependency make the whole system more brittle ?
2024-11-15 03:05:02 +0000 <sm> I don't know about multiple inheritance either but suspect that's the root problem
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2024-11-15 03:07:15 +0000 <sm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_inheritance#The_diamond_problem
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2024-11-15 03:48:11 +0000 <EvanR> in "type classes vs the world" he shows a slide with a diamond dependency, and basically type classes, nothing bad happens
2024-11-15 03:48:19 +0000 <EvanR> s/basically/because/
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2024-11-15 03:49:14 +0000 <EvanR> because there's only ever zero or one instances for a given type
2024-11-15 03:49:39 +0000 <EvanR> so if you arrive at a dependency along different routes it's the same instance
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2024-11-15 05:08:38 +0000 <monochrom> Multiple implementation inheritance is the problem (even the OO people already know), but it doesn't translate to Haskell. Multiple interface inheritance is well-known to be just fine.
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2024-11-15 05:09:36 +0000 <monochrom> OTOH category theory offers a safe kind of diamond inheritance. It's called push out.
2024-11-15 05:09:59 +0000 <monochrom> Just that you can't do push outs in C++, that's all. :)
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2024-11-15 05:13:36 +0000 <EvanR> pushout = multiple inheritance. Got it. And jquery is a monad!
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2024-11-15 05:39:29 +0000 <monochrom> haha
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2024-11-15 07:48:21 +0000 <guy> HELP HELP iv been up all night and have discovered a UFO!
2024-11-15 07:48:27 +0000 <guy> its unidentified!
2024-11-15 07:48:33 +0000 <guy> its not even a monad!
2024-11-15 07:48:37 +0000 <guy> a net is this
2024-11-15 07:49:19 +0000 <guy> (m (m a),m a) <-> (m (m a),m a)
2024-11-15 07:49:28 +0000 <guy> its like half a monad or something?
2024-11-15 07:49:59 +0000 <guy> instead of being contained inside itself (nets as neurons), it can have this extended as itself (this becomes layers)
2024-11-15 07:50:16 +0000 <guy> instead of going deep at the contents, you put them in layers and its not a recursion
2024-11-15 07:50:46 +0000 <guy> if i had it kind of deep at the neurons anyway, i could always just not do that and add extra layers
2024-11-15 07:51:04 +0000 <guy> but i can kind of make a tradeoff and have both worlds, leading to the type above
2024-11-15 07:51:43 +0000 <guy> like, not all of the inner (m a) in m (m a) extend the ,m a) its paried with
2024-11-15 07:52:01 +0000 <guy> i can like, half do the monad collapse thing
2024-11-15 07:52:03 +0000 <guy> !!!
2024-11-15 07:52:05 +0000 <guy> night x
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2024-11-15 13:31:45 +0000 <Rembane> I've been searching Google, Hoogle and asked various dubious AIs and I can't find the answer to the question: Is there a lens version of mapMaybe? If so, what's the name of it?
2024-11-15 13:33:29 +0000 <probie> :t mapMaybe
2024-11-15 13:33:30 +0000 <lambdabot> (a -> Maybe b) -> [a] -> [b]
2024-11-15 13:36:19 +0000 <probie> So you're looking for something like `(some constraints here) => (a -> f (Maybe b)) -> t a -> f (t b)`?
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2024-11-15 13:39:44 +0000 <Rembane> Yeah, that looks reasonable
2024-11-15 13:40:53 +0000pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) siracusa
2024-11-15 13:40:54 +0000 <Leary> Rembane: `wither`?
2024-11-15 13:41:40 +0000 <Rembane> Leary: Fancy! Thank you!
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2024-11-15 13:43:28 +0000ethantwardy(user@user/ethantwardy) ethantwardy
2024-11-15 13:44:07 +0000 <c_wraith> Rembane: if you specifically are looking for compatibility with lens, I didn't like the way the witherable package does it. Or other ways I've seen suggested to do it. So I made https://hackage.haskell.org/package/lens-witherable
2024-11-15 13:44:39 +0000 <Rembane> c_wraith: Even better. Yes, compatibility is important to me.
2024-11-15 13:47:25 +0000hellwolf(~user@2001:1530:70:545:5239:a298:1329:4b) hellwolf
2024-11-15 13:48:51 +0000 <Hecate> 'sup hellwolf :)
2024-11-15 13:49:46 +0000 <hellwolf> :) GM Hecate. I couldn't configure my rcirc in emacs for reconnecting after computer shutting down...
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2024-11-15 13:55:41 +0000 <Hecate> :)
2024-11-15 13:56:17 +0000 <hellwolf> sorry, after computer coming back from sleep. I didn't make sense.
2024-11-15 13:56:46 +0000 <hellwolf> anyways, been a good haskell day?
2024-11-15 13:57:34 +0000 <Hecate> yeah, nothing to complain about on this front
2024-11-15 13:57:51 +0000 <Hecate> I'm thinking of using one of my FreeBSD servers in the near future as a development macine
2024-11-15 13:57:54 +0000 <Hecate> *machine
2024-11-15 13:59:44 +0000 <hellwolf> any particular reason?
2024-11-15 14:00:59 +0000 <Hecate> 64GB of RAM and a powerful CPU
2024-11-15 14:01:09 +0000 <Hecate> also a good thing to use FreeBSD
2024-11-15 14:01:20 +0000 <hellwolf> Oh?
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2024-11-15 14:04:40 +0000 <Hecate> hellwolf: yeah, I'll be able to notice areas where the tools lack support for it
2024-11-15 14:05:05 +0000 <hellwolf> oh, as a means to dogfood it. kudos to that.
2024-11-15 14:05:11 +0000ystael(~ystael@user/ystael) ystael
2024-11-15 14:07:33 +0000 <Hecate> yus
2024-11-15 14:08:04 +0000 <hellwolf> More people should do that. Build and use it youself first.
2024-11-15 14:08:23 +0000 <hellwolf> Dogfooding is a good culture.
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2024-11-15 17:15:50 +0000 <lxsameer> have you tried the streamly library? if yes, how was your experience in general?
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2024-11-15 17:40:56 +0000 <Rembane> Is it that library that's really cool and very hard to understand?
2024-11-15 17:42:08 +0000 <Rembane> Hm... nope, I was thinking of machines. Is this library you're thinking of lxsameer? https://hackage.haskell.org/package/streamly
2024-11-15 18:00:41 +0000ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj
2024-11-15 18:03:09 +0000 <EvanR> machines is nearly alien technology
2024-11-15 18:05:57 +0000 <Rembane> Yeah, I think humanity will reach another golden age if we understand that library.
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2024-11-15 18:08:59 +0000 <hellwolf> o_o
2024-11-15 18:11:08 +0000 <EvanR> call that egyptologist guy from stargate who could read any alien text
2024-11-15 18:12:10 +0000 <Rembane> Indeed.
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2024-11-15 18:29:42 +0000 <dolio> What sort of questions about it do you have?
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2024-11-15 19:11:51 +0000 <EvanR> here's one. Is it at all useful
2024-11-15 19:12:16 +0000 <EvanR> snazzy isn't always practical, like comonads
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2024-11-15 19:24:04 +0000 <dolio> Well, I don't know about that. I haven't tried using the Haskell version for anything.
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2024-11-15 19:26:00 +0000 <dolio> I did help write something that used a Scala analogue of the same thing written concurrently.
2024-11-15 19:26:47 +0000 <dolio> It probably works strictly better in Haskell, if I had to guess.
2024-11-15 19:28:02 +0000 <dolio> It doesn't seem like that's a question designed to help you understand the library, though.
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2024-11-15 22:03:22 +0000 <sm> @where+ welltypedcourse https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD8gywOEY4HauPWPfH0pJPIYUWqi0Gg10 Well-Typed's Introduction To Haskell course
2024-11-15 22:03:22 +0000 <lambdabot> Nice!
2024-11-15 22:07:53 +0000 <EvanR> lol lambdabot approves
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2024-11-15 22:22:19 +0000 <sm> lambdabot loves me 😍
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