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2024-10-27 10:55:25 +0000 <lxsameer> hey folks, I'm trying to parse the cabal.project.freeze file, do you know any parser for that file in Cabal-syntax?
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2024-10-27 12:00:23 +0000haskellbridgehellwolf sees gold in OverloadedLabels. Anyone has experience of using it to share?
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2024-10-27 12:11:07 +0000 <mreh> is there a way to only profile cost centres within a single closure?
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2024-10-27 12:33:58 +0000 <tomsmeding> hellwolf: I've been using it a bit for various purposes. What do you want to use it for?
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2024-10-27 12:36:58 +0000 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> I want to do a type level syntax for address and bytes literals, e.g.:
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2024-10-27 12:37:22 +0000 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> And nice type error when oversized or crc check failed
2024-10-27 12:37:44 +0000 <tomsmeding> you'd first have to program all your functionality that you want to happen on the symbols on the type level using type families
2024-10-27 12:37:57 +0000 <tomsmeding> once you have that, OverloadedLabels just gives you the neat # syntax :p
2024-10-27 12:38:25 +0000 <mreh> should I enable -fprof-auto-calls maybe?
2024-10-27 12:38:31 +0000 <tomsmeding> i.e. try to write your program using `GHC.TypeLits.symbolSing @"0xdeadbeef"`
2024-10-27 12:38:41 +0000 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> yea, that type level programming can be the daunting task... I have grappled with them lately
2024-10-27 12:39:16 +0000 <tomsmeding> mreh: dunno, but I recall that if you don't set -fprof-auto there are very few cost centres; and you can add your own cost centres with a CCS pragma
2024-10-27 12:39:29 +0000 <tomsmeding> perhaps that's a useful keyword to search on?
2024-10-27 12:40:25 +0000 <lxsameer> is there any spec or RFC for cabal's freeze file?
2024-10-27 12:40:35 +0000 <tomsmeding> it's the exact same as a cabal.project file
2024-10-27 12:41:22 +0000 <lxsameer> tomsmeding: so is there any RFC for cabal.project ?
2024-10-27 12:41:27 +0000 <tomsmeding> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2024-10-27 12:41:29 +0000 <tomsmeding> there is the cabal user guide :p
2024-10-27 12:41:35 +0000 <tomsmeding> I don't think there's much more than that
2024-10-27 12:41:45 +0000 <tomsmeding> https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/stable/cabal-project-description-file.html
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2024-10-27 12:42:23 +0000 <lxsameer> tomsmeding: cheers
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2024-10-27 12:50:47 +0000 <haskellbridge> <hellwolf> I would trace into cabel code directly. I did a quick search, nothing obvious came out, which leads me to believe that the whole freeze file syntax could be rather ad-hoc. But don't quote me on that.
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2024-10-27 18:20:56 +0000 <lxsameer> hey folks, using cabal, is there any way to use the modules that a library does not expose?
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2024-10-27 18:22:17 +0000 <monochrom> No.
2024-10-27 18:23:38 +0000 <lxsameer> thanks
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2024-10-27 19:29:37 +0000 <lxsameer> is there any typeclass for things that can be merged? semigroup?
2024-10-27 19:32:42 +0000 <monochrom> Yeah FSVO "merge".
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2024-10-27 19:34:05 +0000 <lxsameer> cheers
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2024-10-27 19:50:59 +0000 <tomsmeding> lxsameer: see also: Alternative, MonadPlus
2024-10-27 19:51:51 +0000 <zzz> that's a bad way to phrase things imo
2024-10-27 19:52:28 +0000 <monochrom> Alternative would be functors that can be merged, as opposed to things that can be merged. >:)
2024-10-27 19:52:30 +0000 <zzz> "things that can be merged" has different meaning than Semigroup
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2024-10-27 19:54:37 +0000 <tomsmeding> I mean, if we only have "things that can be merged", then IMO Semigroup, Alternative, MonadPlus are all relevant suggestions
2024-10-27 19:55:32 +0000 <tomsmeding> I guess even Monad, from a suitably abstract point of view, but that's likely not the point of view taken when lxsameer asked that question :p
2024-10-27 19:56:29 +0000 <Rembane> Merge is a delightfully overloaded term
2024-10-27 19:56:40 +0000 <tomsmeding> almost as bad as "lift"
2024-10-27 19:57:14 +0000 <zzz> yeah i just wanted to point out the possibility for misconception
2024-10-27 19:57:51 +0000 <monochrom> I legit put this question on the exam: I have a newtype wrapper SortedList over list, and we will ensure that the wrapped list must be sorted. Delightfully, the appropriate (<>) is still associative! Code up (<>) and sing so that foldMap sing sorts the input.
2024-10-27 19:57:54 +0000 <Rembane> tomsmeding: bro-algebra!
2024-10-27 19:58:23 +0000 <Rembane> monochrom: Lovely! What does sing mean in this context?
2024-10-27 19:58:34 +0000 <tomsmeding> mempty?
2024-10-27 19:58:41 +0000 <tomsmeding> oh
2024-10-27 19:58:42 +0000 <monochrom> singleton. \x -> SortedList [x]
2024-10-27 19:58:44 +0000 <tomsmeding> pure
2024-10-27 19:59:45 +0000merijn(~merijn@128-137-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
2024-10-27 20:00:27 +0000 <tomsmeding> and depending on the association order that foldMap chooses, the resulting sorting algorithm is either O(n^2) or O(n log n)? :p
2024-10-27 20:00:41 +0000 <tomsmeding> (or something in between, but that would be a weird association order indeed)
2024-10-27 20:01:13 +0000 <monochrom> Alternatively (pun!), the specification "foldMap sing sorts the input" tells you everything you need to know.
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2024-10-27 20:01:16 +0000 <tomsmeding> thinking about this makes the reader realise why monochrom posted this as a response to stuf fabout "merging"
2024-10-27 20:01:26 +0000 <monochrom> :)
2024-10-27 20:02:06 +0000 <lxsameer> tomsmeding: thank you
2024-10-27 20:02:59 +0000 <tomsmeding> monochrom: would you accept (<>) implementations that are superlinear?
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2024-10-27 20:04:49 +0000 <tomsmeding> (such as: \a b -> sort (a ++ b))
2024-10-27 20:05:04 +0000 <tomsmeding> I guess that's actually linear with Haskell's sort function
2024-10-27 20:05:12 +0000 <int-e> tomsmeding: the irony there is... if a and b are sorted, that'll be O(n)
2024-10-27 20:05:15 +0000 <tomsmeding> yes
2024-10-27 20:05:26 +0000 <tomsmeding> cute :)
2024-10-27 20:05:26 +0000 <int-e> (because of how sort is implemented)
2024-10-27 20:05:50 +0000 <Rembane> Just gotta have the right sorting function!
2024-10-27 20:06:01 +0000 <monochrom> I forgot. Let me check the marking scheme I wrote.
2024-10-27 20:10:04 +0000ljdarj1(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj
2024-10-27 20:12:18 +0000 <monochrom> Oh haha this was more fun. The question already defined "sort xs = unwrap (foldMap sing xs)". So the door was closed.
2024-10-27 20:12:37 +0000 <tomsmeding> ah :)
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2024-10-27 20:13:05 +0000 <tomsmeding> I guess there's still the possibility of writing insertion sort, but that's not necessarily easier than the proper linear solution
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2024-10-27 22:17:28 +0000 <guestycute> does anyone know some nice resources for learning about doing more like.. type-level stuff? i am kindof messing around with kinds and GADTs and stuff, but im wondering if there is something cohesiv
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2024-10-27 22:18:29 +0000 <guestycute> sorry if that sounds silly lol
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2024-10-27 22:21:35 +0000 <geekosaur> https://thinkingwithtypes.com/ ?
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2024-10-27 22:22:08 +0000 <geekosaur> that's a book site but it links to the author's blog which is about type level programming
2024-10-27 22:22:25 +0000 <geekosaur> (https://reasonablypolymorphic.com/)
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2024-10-27 22:22:49 +0000 <guestycute> hmm that seems cool! i will look into it ^_^
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2024-10-27 22:36:45 +0000 <monochrom> Blogs are not cohesive. Books are.
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2024-10-27 22:37:47 +0000 <monochrom> Sure, blogs are cheap, books are expensive. You get what you pay for.
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