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2024-09-28 00:40:22 +0000 <monochrom> Yes! "join s = zipWith (!!) s [0..]" for the stream monad (representable by ℕ) is generalizable to all representable functors as: join m = liftA2 lookup m (tabulate id).
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2024-09-28 01:24:55 +0000 <jackdk> monochrom: if package `bifunctors` can have `Biff` and `Tannen`, as well as `Clown`s to the left and `Joker`s to the right, then you can do whatever you want.
2024-09-28 01:26:19 +0000 <monochrom> haha
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2024-09-28 01:54:15 +0000 <monochrom> TIL: If two endofunctors are naturally isomophic, then monadness of one of them can be translated to monadness of the other by going through the isomorphism.
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2024-09-28 02:39:55 +0000 <ski> val tabulate : int * (int -> 'a) -> 'a vector (* in SML. also for lists, &c. *)
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2024-09-28 08:59:19 +0000 <ncf> monochrom: is that surprising? if two sets are isomorphic then a monoid on one is a monoid on the other
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2024-09-28 09:00:25 +0000 <ncf> in HoTT naturally isomorphic functors are equal so you can just transport the structure
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2024-09-28 10:09:29 +0000 <haskellbridge> <aaron> monochrom: "join = (distribute id <*>)"
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2024-09-28 10:49:56 +0000 <dminuoso> Sigh. At work I'm rewriting some Haskell parts to Python for some operational reasons. By far the biggest price is not having pattern match exhaustiveness checks anymore.
2024-09-28 10:50:52 +0000 <tomsmeding> dminuoso: write explicit eliminator functions
2024-09-28 10:50:56 +0000 <tomsmeding> a la `maybe`
2024-09-28 10:51:23 +0000 <tomsmeding> then the python type checker (if you use one, otherwise a runtime error) will at least alert you that you have the wrong number of matches :p
2024-09-28 10:51:30 +0000 <tomsmeding> downside: unreadable cases
2024-09-28 10:51:44 +0000 <dminuoso> tomsmeding: Well this is rather about union types, but regardless. Doing this at runtime just trades programmer time for production outages..
2024-09-28 10:52:01 +0000 <dminuoso> Hold on, maybe I misunderstand your suggestion
2024-09-28 10:52:01 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
2024-09-28 10:52:22 +0000 <tomsmeding> I mean instead of writing `case m of Nothing -> _ ; Just x -> _`, write `maybe m _ _`
2024-09-28 10:52:50 +0000 <tomsmeding> advantage: exhaustiveness checking is now performed by "supplying the right number of arguments to the function"
2024-09-28 10:52:51 +0000 <dminuoso> Oh, I see.
2024-09-28 10:52:54 +0000 <tomsmeding> disadvantage: unreadable
2024-09-28 10:53:09 +0000 <tomsmeding> disadvantage 2: if you remove _and_ add a case, or change the order, woe you
2024-09-28 10:53:10 +0000 <dminuoso> I mean for `maybe` it kind of works, but for custom unions it would be.. horrid.
2024-09-28 10:53:29 +0000 <dminuoso> Well, changing the order could be caught by a type checker
2024-09-28 10:53:36 +0000lxsameer(~lxsameer@Serene/lxsameer) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-09-28 10:53:46 +0000 <tomsmeding> if you're fortunate and the union cases have differently-typed fields
2024-09-28 10:53:46 +0000vanishingideal(~vanishing@user/vanishingideal) vanishingideal
2024-09-28 10:53:51 +0000 <tomsmeding> but yeah, not sure how serious this suggestion is :p
2024-09-28 10:54:04 +0000 <dminuoso> To be fair Haskell has the same problem with functions too.
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2024-09-28 10:54:14 +0000 <dminuoso> Mixing up two T arguments will be silently accepted.
2024-09-28 10:54:18 +0000 <dminuoso> If only GHC had a crystal ball
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2024-09-28 10:54:23 +0000 <tomsmeding> indeed
2024-09-28 10:55:05 +0000 <dminuoso> That said, Haskell stays in place for our core networking fabric SDN Compiler.
2024-09-28 10:55:47 +0000 <dminuoso> Nearly 4 years and not a single production outage (caused by a compiler bug). :)
2024-09-28 10:56:16 +0000 <tomsmeding> s/not/just/?
2024-09-28 10:56:21 +0000 <tomsmeding> oh
2024-09-28 10:56:24 +0000 <Rembane> What happens if you use keyword arguments and write a check in the function to see that all members of the dictionary are supplied?
2024-09-28 10:56:26 +0000 <tomsmeding> compiler meaning your thing, not GHC
2024-09-28 10:56:31 +0000 <dminuoso> Yes.
2024-09-28 10:57:03 +0000 <dminuoso> Rembane: The type checker should take care of that.
2024-09-28 10:57:05 +0000 <dminuoso> I hope?
2024-09-28 10:57:22 +0000 <Rembane> dminuoso: I don't know, I don't write typed Python. :)
2024-09-28 10:57:36 +0000 <tomsmeding> oh that would improve on the readability of my dumb suggestion
2024-09-28 10:57:43 +0000 <dminuoso> I do write types, but I have no faith in python type checkers, they just serve documentation purposes for me.
2024-09-28 10:57:47 +0000 <Rembane> And you can order things in any order
2024-09-28 10:57:51 +0000 <Rembane> things = arguments
2024-09-28 10:58:32 +0000 <tomsmeding> still the syntactic nuisance that the right-hand sides must be expressions, instead of a block
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2024-09-28 11:00:08 +0000 <Rembane> tomsmeding: That sounds like Python. :D
2024-09-28 11:00:33 +0000 <tomsmeding> no `do` to turn a block into an expression :p
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2024-09-28 11:02:24 +0000 <Rembane> Exactly!
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2024-09-28 13:23:04 +0000 <[exa]> kinda weirdly unsettling that when searching for a good name for `flip const` by types, you only get `seq` and `par`.
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2024-09-28 13:52:36 +0000 <tomsmeding> [exa]: perhaps people consider it to be below the fairbairn threshold?
2024-09-28 13:54:10 +0000ljdarj(~Thunderbi@user/ljdarj) ljdarj
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2024-09-28 13:58:00 +0000 <tomsmeding> (\_ x -> x) is quite short, and (\_ -> id) even shorter
2024-09-28 13:58:25 +0000 <__monty__> I prefer `const id`
2024-09-28 13:58:49 +0000rvalue(~rvalue@user/rvalue) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2024-09-28 13:59:03 +0000 <__monty__> It hides the "flip" so people don't flip out ; )
2024-09-28 13:59:20 +0000rvalue(~rvalue@user/rvalue) rvalue
2024-09-28 13:59:28 +0000 <tomsmeding> on the other hand, if the function one is looking for is "return the second argument", then that's clearly `flip` of "return the first argument"
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2024-09-28 14:01:00 +0000 <__monty__> It's hard to fly under the radar when all you want is to be pointless.
2024-09-28 14:01:31 +0000Inst(~Inst@user/Inst) Inst
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2024-09-28 14:23:03 +0000 <[exa]> __monty__: +1 insightful
2024-09-28 14:23:32 +0000 <[exa]> anyway I made k'nst just to make my opinion completely obvious
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2024-09-28 14:24:47 +0000 <tomsmeding> "when in doubt between two suboptimal solutions, choose the third solution that is even worse than both; then at least everyone will be equally annoyed"? :p
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2024-09-28 20:45:52 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> entering this room on matrix always takes longer than others, because IRC channels have a lot more joins/leaves than matrix rooms I suspect
2024-09-28 20:46:29 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> I supposed filtering those out would be a msitake
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2024-09-28 20:47:14 +0000 <geekosaur> it's not ideal but suspect it's necessary until/unless merijn fixes his setup
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2024-09-28 21:15:45 +0000 <cheater> who tried static ls
2024-09-28 21:15:55 +0000 <cheater> it's looking good
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2024-09-28 21:54:54 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> wizardry: https://chrisdone.com/posts/tour-of-hell 's implementation
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2024-09-28 22:11:21 +0000 <Inst> okay, screw comonads, i just don't see the advantage over lenses/optics besides not requiring TH / manual writing of lenses
2024-09-28 22:12:00 +0000 <Inst> if there's an HTML library designed to use optics, would that be a substantial advantage over lucid / blaze?
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2024-09-28 22:18:45 +0000 <dmj`> @package type-of-html
2024-09-28 22:18:45 +0000 <lambdabot> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/type-of-html
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2024-09-28 22:20:44 +0000 <Inst> i'm aware of it, but is it designed to use optics?
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2024-09-28 22:24:04 +0000 <bud> hello haskell people!
2024-09-28 22:24:37 +0000 <geekosaur> 👋
2024-09-28 22:25:23 +0000 <bud> i found this really cool, video editor built with haskell that i wanted to try, but the build fails.
2024-09-28 22:25:53 +0000 <bud> https://owickstrom.github.io/komposition/ <- video editor, https://github.com/owickstrom/komposition <- repo
2024-09-28 22:26:04 +0000 <bud> i use Arch btw
2024-09-28 22:26:05 +0000 <geekosaur> sadly, the ground is littered with such cool projects that bitrotted when the author was promptly hired by someone and possibly under NDA
2024-09-28 22:26:33 +0000 <geekosaur> that said, Arch is something of a warning sign. at minimum, try using `-dynamic`
2024-09-28 22:26:56 +0000 <geekosaur> but you may have to toss Arch's ghc and libs and start over with ghcup: Arch's Haskell ecosystem is a mess
2024-09-28 22:27:03 +0000morb(~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
2024-09-28 22:27:07 +0000 <bud> installation instruction say it is easiest installed with "stack"
2024-09-28 22:27:56 +0000 <bud> i installed stack followed by `stack install` got errors on compiling "ffmpeg-light"
2024-09-28 22:28:05 +0000 <geekosaur> I don't know off the top of my head how you would force stack to pass -dynamic to everything necessary
2024-09-28 22:28:23 +0000 <bud> might be related to this: https://github.com/acowley/ffmpeg-light/issues/69
2024-09-28 22:28:54 +0000 <bud> install docs, also have this sidenote: >If you know your way around building Haskell programs, you might want to build it using Nix or regular Cabal, instead.
2024-09-28 22:29:07 +0000 <bud> https://owickstrom.github.io/komposition/user-guide/installation/
2024-09-28 22:29:13 +0000tcard(~tcard@2400:4051:5801:7500:cf17:befc:ff82:5303) (Quit: Leaving)
2024-09-28 22:29:35 +0000 <geekosaur> do you get that exact build error? "error: ‘AVStream’ has no member named ‘codec’"
2024-09-28 22:30:49 +0000tcard(~tcard@2400:4051:5801:7500:cf17:befc:ff82:5303) tcard
2024-09-28 22:31:39 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> by our standards, getting that far is pretty good! :) (I didn't; ghc 8.6 is too old for macs)
2024-09-28 22:32:28 +0000 <bud> geekosaur: https://0x0.st/XgTo.txt
2024-09-28 22:32:35 +0000merijn(~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) merijn
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2024-09-28 22:33:11 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> internet says "AV_CODEC_CAP_TRUNCATED has been removed in ffmpeg 6"
2024-09-28 22:33:22 +0000 <geekosaur> okay, your problem is that `ffmpeg-light` requires an older `ffmpeg` than Arch ships
2024-09-28 22:34:06 +0000 <geekosaur> and apparently either nobody has updated it or other dependencies are preventing newer versions are being used
2024-09-28 22:34:27 +0000 <geekosaur> were this a cabal build I'd try --allow-newer=ffmpeg-light
2024-09-28 22:34:41 +0000 <geekosaur> not sure how you do that with stack, I don't use that much
2024-09-28 22:34:56 +0000 <bud> i think it is possible to install with cabal also
2024-09-28 22:35:14 +0000 <bud> https://github.com/owickstrom/komposition/blob/master/komposition.cabal
2024-09-28 22:35:17 +0000 <geekosaur> make sure the instructions aren't as out of date as the software
2024-09-28 22:35:30 +0000 <geekosaur> (stack uses .cabal files)
2024-09-28 22:35:40 +0000 <geekosaur> cabal 1.x was a royal mess
2024-09-28 22:35:48 +0000 <bud> maybe easiest for me would be to install nix
2024-09-28 22:35:51 +0000 <geekosaur> and 2.x+ behave rather differently
2024-09-28 22:36:01 +0000 <bud> and install with nix
2024-09-28 22:36:03 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> for some value of "easiest"
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2024-09-28 22:41:07 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> or maybe you can install "ffmpeg5.1" package ?
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2024-09-28 22:41:53 +0000 <bud> too late, im nixing now
2024-09-28 22:42:47 +0000 <bud> also arch has ffmpeg4.4 but no 5.1, 4.4 probably work, but again, im nixing now.
2024-09-28 22:43:20 +0000 <bud> not exactly sure but i think it is compiling gtk3 now..
2024-09-28 22:43:37 +0000L29Ah(~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah) L29Ah
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2024-09-28 22:45:07 +0000 <haskellbridge> <sm> soon this battle station will be fully operational
2024-09-28 22:45:23 +0000 <monochrom> haha
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2024-09-28 23:27:07 +0000 <bud> build failed in nix also, i give up. stay strong haskell people, thanks for help!
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