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2024-09-18 05:55:29 +0200 | <Inst> | <|> is sort of bad, sin't it? |
2024-09-18 05:55:34 +0200 | <Inst> | unless it has the right rewrite rules for it |
2024-09-18 05:55:43 +0200 | <Inst> | a <|> b <|> c doesn't fail correctly |
2024-09-18 05:56:01 +0200 | <Inst> | *succeed correctly |
2024-09-18 05:56:08 +0200 | <Inst> | if a short circuits, the second <|> is triggered |
2024-09-18 05:57:36 +0200 | wei2912 | (~wei2912@116.88.52.77) |
2024-09-18 05:58:52 +0200 | <jle`> | Inst: what instance are you think of ? |
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2024-09-18 05:59:51 +0200 | <Inst> | let me check maybe again |
2024-09-18 06:00:32 +0200 | <Inst> | yup, alternative maybe |
2024-09-18 06:00:44 +0200 | <Inst> | it'll keep on checking Just values when it can just short-circuit |
2024-09-18 06:01:56 +0200 | <monochrom> | > Just 4 <|> undefined |
2024-09-18 06:01:57 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Just 4 |
2024-09-18 06:02:03 +0200 | <monochrom> | Debunked. |
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2024-09-18 06:03:43 +0200 | <Inst> | > Just 4 <|> undefined <|> undefined |
2024-09-18 06:03:45 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Just 4 |
2024-09-18 06:03:51 +0200 | <Inst> | no, the claim is that the second <|> will trigger |
2024-09-18 06:04:29 +0200 | <Inst> | what I want is Just 4 <|> (undefined <|> undefined), which can be provided by rewrite rules, tbh |
2024-09-18 06:04:50 +0200 | <monochrom> | > Just 4 <|> (undefined <|> undefined) |
2024-09-18 06:04:52 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Just 4 |
2024-09-18 06:04:56 +0200 | <monochrom> | Debunked. |
2024-09-18 06:05:01 +0200 | <Inst> | ??? |
2024-09-18 06:05:18 +0200 | <mauke> | <|> is left assoc |
2024-09-18 06:05:20 +0200 | <Inst> | the claim i'm making isn't being tested properly, what I mean is that there are two <|>s in the expression |
2024-09-18 06:05:24 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
2024-09-18 06:05:39 +0200 | <monochrom> | > Just 4 <|> undefined <|> undefined |
2024-09-18 06:05:41 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Just 4 |
2024-09-18 06:05:44 +0200 | <monochrom> | Debunked. |
2024-09-18 06:05:51 +0200 | <Inst> | only the first <|> should trigger, the second should fail through (in an ideal world |
2024-09-18 06:06:04 +0200 | morb | (~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
2024-09-18 06:06:05 +0200 | <Inst> | Just 4 <|> (undefined <|> undefined) should be operationally equivalent to Just 4 <|> undefined <|> undefined |
2024-09-18 06:06:42 +0200 | <monochrom> | I don't know what "trigger" means. Is this Haskell or is this SQL "create trigger"? |
2024-09-18 06:06:49 +0200 | <Inst> | hold on |
2024-09-18 06:06:58 +0200 | <Leary> | You can just declare `(<||>) = (<|>); infixr 3 <||>`; if you want right associativity. |
2024-09-18 06:07:05 +0200 | <monochrom> | But I have shown enough working examples. Where is the breakage? |
2024-09-18 06:07:10 +0200 | <Inst> | hmmm, i can't do this with foldr and infinite lists |
2024-09-18 06:07:29 +0200 | <monochrom> | Your turn to show an example not essay writing. |
2024-09-18 06:07:36 +0200 | <Inst> | assume an inifnite sequence of Just 4 <|> something <|> something... |
2024-09-18 06:07:52 +0200 | <Inst> | this should never evaluate, because the <|> keeps on getting applied |
2024-09-18 06:07:53 +0200 | <mauke> | it's not about correctness, only performance. I think |
2024-09-18 06:08:15 +0200 | <monochrom> | I don't know how to write an infinitely long piece of code. Do you? |
2024-09-18 06:08:37 +0200 | <Leary> | > asum (Just 4:repeat undefined) |
2024-09-18 06:08:38 +0200 | <monochrom> | My disk has only 250GB it can't save an infinite source file. |
2024-09-18 06:08:39 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Just 4 |
2024-09-18 06:08:55 +0200 | youthlic | (~Thunderbi@user/youthlic) |
2024-09-18 06:09:03 +0200 | <Inst> | i thought you could do it with foldr (<|>) Nothing (Just 4 : repeat Nothing), but it'll insert parens |
2024-09-18 06:09:17 +0200 | <monochrom> | foldr is fair. |
2024-09-18 06:09:27 +0200 | <mauke> | (Just x <|> b) <|> c goes through two applications of (<|>); Just x <|> (a <|> b) only goes through one |
2024-09-18 06:09:28 +0200 | <Inst> | but you can't do it with foldr because iirc the parens are implicit |
2024-09-18 06:09:31 +0200 | <Inst> | thanks Leary |
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2024-09-18 06:09:40 +0200 | <monochrom> | > foldr (<|>) undefined (Just 4 : repeat undefined) |
2024-09-18 06:09:42 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Just 4 |
2024-09-18 06:09:44 +0200 | ChaiTRex | (~ChaiTRex@user/chaitrex) |
2024-09-18 06:09:48 +0200 | <monochrom> | Still no breakage. |
2024-09-18 06:09:55 +0200 | <Inst> | no, but it won't break with foldr |
2024-09-18 06:10:04 +0200 | <monochrom> | OK, what will break? |
2024-09-18 06:10:05 +0200 | <mauke> | it won't break at all |
2024-09-18 06:10:11 +0200 | <Inst> | it's a performance concern, as mauke stated |
2024-09-18 06:10:16 +0200 | <monochrom> | Actual code or it didn't happen. |
2024-09-18 06:10:26 +0200 | <probie> | monochrom: As long as the k-complexity is finite, you can easily "fake it" with a custom fuse mount |
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2024-09-18 06:10:30 +0200 | <monochrom> | For performance you can show actual benchmark. |
2024-09-18 06:11:09 +0200 | <monochrom> | which unsurprisingly imples actual code again. |
2024-09-18 06:11:20 +0200 | <monochrom> | Not meaningless words like "assume" "infinite". |
2024-09-18 06:11:24 +0200 | <ski> | "it'll insert parens","the parens are implicit" -- ? |
2024-09-18 06:11:27 +0200 | <Inst> | is your point that the repeated applications of <|> is essentially pendantry? |
2024-09-18 06:12:00 +0200 | <mauke> | ski: that's someone thinking in concrete syntax, not expression graphs :-) |
2024-09-18 06:12:20 +0200 | <monochrom> | No, my point is until you show actual example you don't even know what's the true cause. |
2024-09-18 06:12:33 +0200 | ski | graphs expressions against concrete syntax, extrapolates to infinity |
2024-09-18 06:12:54 +0200 | <monochrom> | You are acting like absolute beginners who end up blaming everything except the true cause. |
2024-09-18 06:13:18 +0200 | <mauke> | cause of what? |
2024-09-18 06:13:44 +0200 | <monochrom> | An unspecified breakage. (See that's the 2nd problem.) |
2024-09-18 06:13:52 +0200 | ski | . o O ( "Do not ask whether a statement is true until you know what it means." -- Errett Bishop ) |
2024-09-18 06:13:55 +0200 | <mauke> | monochrom: old news. there is no breakage anymore |
2024-09-18 06:14:21 +0200 | <monochrom> | OK sure. |
2024-09-18 06:14:35 +0200 | <monochrom> | What was the question again? |
2024-09-18 06:14:46 +0200 | <mauke> | <mauke> (Just x <|> b) <|> c goes through two applications of (<|>); Just x <|> (a <|> b) only goes through one |
2024-09-18 06:14:52 +0200 | <mauke> | so why is <|> infixl and not infixr? |
2024-09-18 06:15:43 +0200 | <monochrom> | Yeah that's a poor decision. |
2024-09-18 06:16:48 +0200 | <monochrom> | But even that didn't cause more bottoms than necessary. |
2024-09-18 06:17:04 +0200 | <mauke> | right. it's just less efficient |
2024-09-18 06:17:19 +0200 | <probie> | probably to make it play nicely with other operators under the assumption that one would use `asum` if more than one `(<|>)` was needed |
2024-09-18 06:18:08 +0200 | <Inst> | thanks mauke |
2024-09-18 06:18:26 +0200 | <Inst> | sorry, i'm thinking in terms of the primitive implementation of foldr on lists |
2024-09-18 06:19:18 +0200 | <Inst> | *naive |
2024-09-18 06:19:44 +0200 | youthlic | (~Thunderbi@user/youthlic) (Remote host closed the connection) |
2024-09-18 06:19:47 +0200 | <monochrom> | (>>) is similarly bad. I was a bit disappointed at that too. |
2024-09-18 06:20:10 +0200 | <Inst> | i noticed, but so did GHC team and they have it optimized on O1 and above (iirc) to be equivalent to do semicolon |
2024-09-18 06:20:43 +0200 | <glguy> | don’t miss a chance to write naïve :) |
2024-09-18 06:21:11 +0200 | <Inst> | foldr f z [] = z |
2024-09-18 06:21:27 +0200 | <Inst> | foldr f z (x:xs) = f x (foldr f z xs) |
2024-09-18 06:21:33 +0200 | <Inst> | iirc that was in graham, no? |
2024-09-18 06:21:45 +0200 | <mauke> | naïve |
2024-09-18 06:22:10 +0200 | <mauke> | > foldr f z [a,b,c,d] |
2024-09-18 06:22:12 +0200 | <lambdabot> | f a (f b (f c (f d z))) |
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2024-09-18 06:26:38 +0200 | <Inst> | but thanks for the help, i've never used asum before and i think that's the correct solution to griping about infixl |
2024-09-18 06:27:30 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
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2024-09-18 06:31:54 +0200 | <Inst> | I saw someone get around Haskell's lack of f lists with concat [strings...] |
2024-09-18 06:35:13 +0200 | <ski> | "f lists" ? |
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2024-09-18 06:53:01 +0200 | <Inst> | erm, f strings |
2024-09-18 06:53:34 +0200 | <Inst> | i prefer traverse putStr or just otherwise keeping it as a list |
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2024-09-18 06:54:10 +0200 | <Inst> | traverse (foo :: Monad m => a -> m b) list is great |
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2024-09-18 12:34:35 +0200 | <akegalj> | ghc option `-jN` when N is ommited says it builds with number of processors host machine has (https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/users_guide/using.html#ghc-flag--j[%E2%9F%A8n%E2%9F%A9]). If host machine has 1 processor with 4 cores, will N be 1 or 4? |
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2024-09-18 12:42:25 +0200 | <geekosaur> | 4 or possibly 8 (if hyperthreading is enabled) |
2024-09-18 12:46:29 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (hyperthreading is usually disabled because it tends to be a lose) |
2024-09-18 12:46:55 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (hyperthreading is essentially always enabled on personal computers) |
2024-09-18 12:47:06 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (it is sometimes disabled on servers) |
2024-09-18 12:47:53 +0200 | <akegalj> | tomsmeding: ty <3 |
2024-09-18 12:47:59 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | akegalj: on linux, $ grep '^processor' /proc/cpuinfo |
2024-09-18 12:48:31 +0200 | <akegalj> | tomsmeding: ok great. I was just confused by core/processor terminology |
2024-09-18 12:48:44 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | for some reason, /proc/cpuinfo uses the same "processor" terminology |
2024-09-18 12:49:00 +0200 | <geekosaur> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/AqGaf4MW |
2024-09-18 12:49:08 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | akegalj: note that due to hyperthreading, "core" is also an ambiguous word |
2024-09-18 12:49:42 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | geekosaur: do you have a fancy custom interpreter set in the kernel for .hs files? |
2024-09-18 12:50:02 +0200 | <geekosaur> | well, the real point here is I don't think there's any way in software to determine cores vs. processors unless you have access to the system management bus |
2024-09-18 12:50:11 +0200 | <geekosaur> | no, I pre-compiled that |
2024-09-18 12:50:18 +0200 | tomsmeding | is blind |
2024-09-18 12:50:26 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | geekosaur: what do you mean with "core" and "processor" here :p |
2024-09-18 12:51:02 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I'm going with what akegalj seemed to mean by them, one physical package (processor) with multiple cores |
2024-09-18 12:51:31 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | is a core-y thing that is split into two units using hyperthreading, 1 or 2 "cores"? |
2024-09-18 12:52:18 +0200 | <geekosaur> | ask linux |
2024-09-18 12:52:30 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | grep '^processor\|^core id' /proc/cpuinfo |
2024-09-18 12:52:35 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | this is known information in software |
2024-09-18 12:53:10 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
2024-09-18 12:53:18 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | /proc/cpuinfo apparently talks about 1 chip having N "cores", each having possibly multiple "processors" inside |
2024-09-18 12:53:24 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (the word "chip" is not mentioned) |
2024-09-18 12:53:25 +0200 | oo_miguel | (~Thunderbi@78.10.206.35) (Quit: oo_miguel) |
2024-09-18 12:54:00 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | so according to Linux, my intel i9-10900K has 10 cores and 20 processors |
2024-09-18 12:54:06 +0200 | <geekosaur> | btw "custom interpreter" is not difficult to arrange on linux iirc |
2024-09-18 12:54:20 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | iirc it indeed isn't, but I've never seen anyone do it :) |
2024-09-18 12:54:28 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (and I misread and thought that was `./np.hs` instead of `./np`) |
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2024-09-18 12:55:23 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | CPU manufacturers tend to talk about a chip having "cores", which may have 2 "threads" each |
2024-09-18 12:55:27 +0200 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2405:6580:b080:900:d09b:def9:34dc:ea3f) |
2024-09-18 12:56:04 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | GPU manufacturers lie through their teeth |
2024-09-18 12:56:26 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (partly because the story is just simply more complex on a GPU) |
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2024-09-18 12:59:28 +0200 | <akegalj> | geekosaur: one more stupid question ... I see that `+RTS -N` enables number of cores for ghc app to run with. Does that mean if I want ghc to compile with multiple cores/processors I have to `ghc -j +RTS -N` in order for ghc to run with more threads or is it enough to say `ghc -j` and this assumes compilers rts will use N threads. I wonder what would happen if I did `ghc +RTS -N` ommiting -j |
2024-09-18 13:00:10 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | try it ;) |
2024-09-18 13:00:13 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | -j should be enough |
2024-09-18 13:00:31 +0200 | <akegalj> | tomsmeding: <3 |
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2024-09-18 13:00:55 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I think it will do `setNumCapabilities` itself in that case, yes |
2024-09-18 13:01:21 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | depending on how exactly ghc itself has been compiled, `ghc +RTS -N` without -j will be mostly the same as `ghc` but with a little more overhead from pointless parallel GC |
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2024-09-18 23:35:29 +0200 | <Rembane> | Do you happen to know in which talk Simon Peyton Jones says the words: "Avoid success at all costs"? And do you happen to have the link to that talk? |
2024-09-18 23:38:22 +0200 | dhruvasagar | (~dhruvasag@49.207.204.156) |
2024-09-18 23:38:27 +0200 | <c_wraith> | I think it's in this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSmkqocn0oQ But I didn't double-check |
2024-09-18 23:42:13 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
2024-09-18 23:42:51 +0200 | dhruvasagar | (~dhruvasag@49.207.204.156) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
2024-09-18 23:43:52 +0200 | weary-traveler | (~user@user/user363627) |
2024-09-18 23:44:16 +0200 | morb | (~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
2024-09-18 23:44:22 +0200 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
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2024-09-18 23:45:24 +0200 | ystael | (~ystael@user/ystael) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
2024-09-18 23:45:41 +0200 | <Rembane> | c_wraith: It's a good video, but it's not the one I'm thinking of. IIRC it's a bigger talk with slides. |
2024-09-18 23:45:53 +0200 | <Rembane> | c_wraith: ...I'm searching for. |
2024-09-18 23:46:58 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
2024-09-18 23:48:54 +0200 | morb | (~morb@pool-108-41-100-120.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
2024-09-18 23:49:15 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | so spj has the clay feets |
2024-09-18 23:49:34 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | even 12 ya hs wasn useless |
2024-09-18 23:49:58 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | hyperbole, distortions, ... . |
2024-09-18 23:50:12 +0200 | <int-e> | the quote was supposed to be 'avoid "success at all cost"' |
2024-09-18 23:50:38 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | did wait for it had had enuf by 2 minutes |
2024-09-18 23:50:43 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | *didn |
2024-09-18 23:51:10 +0200 | <int-e> | There was a Haskell retrospective paper that went into that for a bit and how people often misunderstood the quote. It is ambiguous :P |
2024-09-18 23:51:11 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | the quote is dismissable prima facie |
2024-09-18 23:51:50 +0200 | <dolio> | Who is it quoting? |
2024-09-18 23:52:26 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | Rembane? |
2024-09-18 23:52:29 +0200 | <Rembane> | int-e: That's the point right, it's a bit like a dad joke or a pun or something like that. :) |
2024-09-18 23:52:35 +0200 | <Rembane> | dolio: Simon Peyton Jones |
2024-09-18 23:53:10 +0200 | <Rembane> | Ha! I think I found it! https://youtu.be/re96UgMk6GQ?t=1387&si=xit96ICMktdWMzOD |
2024-09-18 23:53:16 +0200 | <Rembane> | It could be in other places too. |
2024-09-18 23:53:49 +0200 | <dolio> | From when? It's definitely older than 7 years. |
2024-09-18 23:54:06 +0200 | mesaoptimizer | (~mesaoptim@user/PapuaHardyNet) (Quit: zzz) |
2024-09-18 23:54:15 +0200 | <monochrom> | Around 2000 I already heard it. |
2024-09-18 23:56:11 +0200 | <Rembane> | Oh. Now that's interesting. Because that talk is the oldest place where I've found the quote. |
2024-09-18 23:56:26 +0200 | Zer000 | (~02@64.137.132.10) |
2024-09-18 23:57:11 +0200 | <EvanR> | 7 years ago was 2017? xD |
2024-09-18 23:57:17 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | yeah |
2024-09-18 23:57:35 +0200 | <monochrom> | > 2024-7 |
2024-09-18 23:57:37 +0200 | <lambdabot> | 2017 |
2024-09-18 23:57:55 +0200 | <EvanR> | I heard it on IRC back in 2009 I think |
2024-09-18 23:58:35 +0200 | <JuanDaugherty> | the last linked talk was in '17 |
2024-09-18 23:58:41 +0200 | <Zer000> | Man I am having the weirdest out of memory issue: this line runs out of memory unless I change n from 100,000 to 10,000: let potentialRoots = [firstRootBytenr - (n * rootSpacing), firstRootBytenr - ((n - 1) * rootSpacing), firstRootBytenr] |
2024-09-18 23:58:49 +0200 | <Zer000> | everything is a Word64 |
2024-09-18 23:59:19 +0200 | <mauke> | I bet it's not this line |
2024-09-18 23:59:23 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> Youre probably missing a strictness annotation somewhere |
2024-09-18 23:59:33 +0200 | <Zer000> | and my code isn't even right, it's building a list with three things in it, but I wanted to use the [n1, n2...n] syntax |
2024-09-18 23:59:40 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <magic_rb> But we need way more context to actually see whats up |
2024-09-18 23:59:43 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl) |