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2024-09-11 00:20:32 +0000 <Axman6> Curious why ghci is loading openblas, seems like an issue with their library path and their app (maybe hmatrix?)
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2024-09-11 00:31:50 +0000 <geekosaur> or they have a ghci.ini somewhere that needs some work
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2024-09-11 01:04:09 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> thirdofmay18081814goya re:purity-semantics monads!
2024-09-11 01:04:49 +0000 <haskellbridge> <Bowuigi> Pure functions are just functions and impure ones are functions in some effect monad
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2024-09-11 01:31:20 +0000 <prolic_> I still struggle with effectful: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/TeGGFYcB
2024-09-11 01:31:36 +0000 <prolic_> I posted the compile errors I have, hopefully someone can help me out
2024-09-11 01:31:50 +0000 <prolic_> [exa]: thanks for your help so far by the way, you're awesome!
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2024-09-11 02:33:34 +0000 <haskellbridge> <thirdofmay18081814goya> Bowuigi: hm right, this makes sense, there's probably a way to make this 100% formal
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2024-09-11 04:17:40 +0000 <jle`> Axman6: have you used symparsec? i was trying to migrate over to it but it seems like it doesn't have 'many'. maybe i should just adapt my current implementation to UnconsSymbol
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2024-09-11 04:50:13 +0000 <Axman6> I haven't, no
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2024-09-11 05:09:46 +0000 <jle`> ah yeah, i wonder nwhat they are doing internally that's different than mine then
2024-09-11 05:10:19 +0000 <jle`> or maybe they just don't have any need for Many
2024-09-11 05:13:58 +0000 <jle`> lol i converted it and i got a reduction stack overflow, i guess ghc isn't happy with long strings being uncons repeatedly
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2024-09-11 05:16:27 +0000 <jle`> oh i get the same stack overflow on the previous implementation
2024-09-11 05:16:32 +0000 <jle`> that makes sense
2024-09-11 05:18:50 +0000 <jle`> i guess that means there is just no way to process large typelits Symbols ? char-by-char? unless you explicitly disable the reduction stack check
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2024-09-11 06:08:12 +0000 <[exa]> jle`: quite likely no better way, yes. Unless you somehow manage to smuggle totality proofs to typelevel functions or so
2024-09-11 06:08:43 +0000 <[exa]> (hm actually what would happen if we restrict typelevel computation to to STLC?)
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2024-09-11 06:15:54 +0000 <jle`> honestly the better way to do this would be to use a typechecker plugin
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2024-09-11 06:52:52 +0000 <[exa]> jle`: yep
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2024-09-11 06:53:29 +0000 <[exa]> I was pondering upon this the other day and we're probably lacking a suitable "generic" way to embed metalanguages into languages
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2024-09-11 06:55:10 +0000 <[exa]> as in, almost all stuff that people tend to solve with whatever typelevel gymnastics are technically about using a "metalanguage" that translates stuff into constraints sensible to the lower language (plusminus some interplay between those)
2024-09-11 06:56:15 +0000 <[exa]> I wish there was a very good separating interface, so that I can just smash in some random literal concatenator which I make in bash or so, if required
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2024-09-11 10:16:27 +0000 <bwe> how can I convert from `Dense "EUR"` to Double? `denseToDecimal` takes the route via `Text` which I consider unnecessary. -- https://hackage.haskell.org/package/safe-money-0.9.1/docs/Money.html
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2024-09-11 10:18:54 +0000 <tomsmeding> bwe: it implements Real, so there is toRational
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2024-09-11 10:20:42 +0000 <tomsmeding> bwe: you could also go through discreteFromDense
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2024-09-11 10:22:06 +0000 <tomsmeding> GHC.Exts has nice primops `atomicCasWord64Addr#` etc., which perform a compare-and-swap operation on an Addr#. However, I have a MutableByteArray#. Can I someone obtain the Addr# corresponding to a MutableByteArray#?
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2024-09-11 10:26:35 +0000 <tomsmeding> *somehow
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2024-09-11 10:34:32 +0000 <kuribas> Yay, I'll be attending munihac with my hasqlator library.
2024-09-11 10:34:45 +0000 <kuribas> Is anyone joining (with a project)?
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2024-09-11 10:46:18 +0000 <mauke> I might be there
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2024-09-11 11:28:29 +0000 <kuribas> \o/
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2024-09-11 11:35:11 +0000 <[exa]> kuribas: wow cool, good job
2024-09-11 11:36:37 +0000 <bwe> tomsmeding: so, it's now `fromRational . toRational` which works
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2024-09-11 11:53:41 +0000 <kuribas> [exa]: wel, it's just a project, not a talk. But I'll still need to prepare for it. I am not sure what to expect from these project, if I am supposed to lead it?
2024-09-11 11:55:34 +0000 <kuribas> I'll prepare some tasks that can be done independently, maybe sorted by difficulty.
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2024-09-11 11:56:14 +0000 <Axman6> tomsmeding: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-prim-0.11.0/docs/GHC-Prim.html#v:mutableByteArrayContents-…
2024-09-11 11:56:20 +0000 <[exa]> kuribas: also I'd suggest preparing 1-2 no-brainer ones which serve as an introduction, so that people can try and get soaked in
2024-09-11 11:56:28 +0000 <kuribas> yeah
2024-09-11 11:56:46 +0000 <[exa]> not even tasks, more like "try this" and "you can see the output ain't super nice here"
2024-09-11 11:57:00 +0000 <Axman6> tomsmeding: the comment on that is pretty fun - be careful!
2024-09-11 11:58:10 +0000 <kuribas> [exa]: it's more like missing stuff. typeclasses to convert sql types are incomplete, clauses are missing, the postgresql version is nothing more than a stub...
2024-09-11 11:59:58 +0000 <[exa]> kuribas: then just show the working stuff and point at the borders
2024-09-11 12:00:06 +0000 <kuribas> right
2024-09-11 12:02:03 +0000 <[exa]> might get quite interesting for the postgres folks actually
2024-09-11 12:02:45 +0000 <kuribas> yeah
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2024-09-11 13:51:38 +0000 <cheater> yeah so
2024-09-11 13:51:47 +0000 <cheater> apparently the discourse mods are out of their fucking mind
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2024-09-11 13:52:49 +0000 <cheater> one of them ("f-a", francesco ariis) goes on a post hiding spree for no good reason, and asked why, sends me a dm with some sex-related proverb
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2024-09-11 13:54:25 +0000 <cheater> something about "all sex partners look the same with lights off"
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2024-09-11 16:19:25 +0000 <tomsmeding> Axman6: I see!
2024-09-11 16:19:55 +0000 <tomsmeding> I'm creating this MutableByteArray# myself, so upon reflection I should probably `malloc` and stuff that in a ForeignPtr with a finalizer
2024-09-11 16:20:06 +0000 <tomsmeding> then I have an Addr# without shenanigans
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2024-09-11 16:22:11 +0000 <tomsmeding> hm, or just make the thing pinned
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2024-09-11 17:41:27 +0000 <lxsameer> do you know any tool to generate cabal configuration out of a stack configuration? I just want to convert the project to cabal, but I'm lazy soooooo :D
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2024-09-11 17:42:16 +0000 <geekosaur> the csbal fi,le is easy, if you've been using a package.yaml then run hpack
2024-09-11 17:42:31 +0000 <geekosaur> I don't think there's a tool to generate a cabal.project from a stack.yaml though
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2024-09-11 17:43:03 +0000 <lxsameer> thanks
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2024-09-11 18:20:42 +0000 <KicksonButt> data Hand = Rock | Paper | Scissors
2024-09-11 18:20:42 +0000 <KicksonButt> data Outcome = LeftWins | RightWins | Draw
2024-09-11 18:20:42 +0000 <KicksonButt> playJoken :: Hand -> Hand -> Outcome
2024-09-11 18:20:42 +0000 <KicksonButt> playJoken x x = Draw -- why does this fail, anyone?
2024-09-11 18:21:37 +0000 <[exa]> KicksonButt: it's not prolog (unfortunately :D )
2024-09-11 18:22:18 +0000 <KicksonButt> I'm trying not to write
2024-09-11 18:22:18 +0000 <KicksonButt> playJoken Rock Rock = Draw
2024-09-11 18:22:18 +0000 <KicksonButt> playJoken Scissors Scissors = Draw...
2024-09-11 18:22:25 +0000 <[exa]> pattern matching can bind a value, but the binding possibilities are quite limited
2024-09-11 18:22:27 +0000athan_(~athan@2600:382:1f11:1fbd:bfe5:5166:2d9b:b59f) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2024-09-11 18:22:27 +0000 <[exa]> you can use guards
2024-09-11 18:22:37 +0000 <[exa]> playJoken x y | x == y = Draw
2024-09-11 18:23:31 +0000 <KicksonButt> Ok, I'll look into that
2024-09-11 18:23:45 +0000 <[exa]> the `| x == y` part serves as a "complex" pattern match here, so if it fails the patternmatching continues with the next alternative
2024-09-11 18:24:14 +0000 <[exa]> (as opposed to if you wrote just `playJoken x y = something` which would "catch" all possibilities and all alternatives following below would get ignored)
2024-09-11 18:25:20 +0000 <[exa]> also you can do stuff like `playJoken x y | (playJoken y x == LeftWins) = RightWins` to further reduce the amount of matches
2024-09-11 18:26:18 +0000 <[exa]> (careful about the order of matches there though, this can go into infinite loop very easily :D )
2024-09-11 18:27:25 +0000 <KicksonButt> Thanks, it's pretty clear
2024-09-11 18:28:46 +0000merijn(~merijn@204-220-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl)
2024-09-11 18:30:46 +0000 <[exa]> KicksonButt: btw if you have the stuff ordered normally, there's the usual cyclic integeric way to solve this with Enum
2024-09-11 18:31:21 +0000 <[exa]> basically by deriving Enum (which is automatic) you can convert R/P/S to integer via `fromEnum`
2024-09-11 18:31:45 +0000 <[exa]> and then you subtract the 2 values, `mod` 3, and you have 3 exact pattern matches
2024-09-11 18:32:20 +0000 <[exa]> aaaaaaaand that itself can be re-Enum'd back to the Outcome, if you also autoderive Enum for the outcome and reorder the data definition a little
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