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2024-08-04 00:02:52 +0000Midjak(~MarciZ@82.66.147.146)
2024-08-04 00:04:29 +0000 <Inst> is anyone using linear haskell?
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2024-08-04 01:56:40 +0000 <Inst> in linear haskell
2024-08-04 01:57:05 +0000 <Inst> do you have to use dup2 (or a corresponding function) every time you want to run a conditional?
2024-08-04 01:57:55 +0000 <Inst> and then reuse the value evaluated via the conditional?
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2024-08-04 02:06:56 +0000 <Inst> okay, 100% worth it
2024-08-04 02:07:07 +0000 <Inst> actually i should try again with strict
2024-08-04 02:11:19 +0000 <Inst> so, i had an accum param loop over 100 billion iterations
2024-08-04 02:12:18 +0000 <Inst> just foo !term | term == 100_000_000 = term | otherwise = foo (term + 1)
2024-08-04 02:12:48 +0000 <Inst> on linear haskell, took 28 seconds, with -XLinearTypes on, but with multiplicity many, the thing crashed my console
2024-08-04 02:14:17 +0000 <Inst> retrying without lineartypes...
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2024-08-04 02:25:02 +0000 <Inst> ehhh, seems as though linear haskell is imposing a performance penalty, ugh
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2024-08-04 02:43:37 +0000 <hololeap> I'm getting some odd test failures for crypton on a certain machine. I've been poking around and it seems like there's something crashing at a low level before tasty can display a proper error message: https://bpa.st/JBIQ
2024-08-04 02:44:30 +0000 <hololeap> what are some debugging options I can pass so that I can see _everything_ that the program is doing? or is this possible?
2024-08-04 02:51:11 +0000 <hololeap> ah, I see now that the test suite is segfaulting
2024-08-04 02:51:36 +0000 <c_wraith> you can run it in gdb to get additional info
2024-08-04 02:52:06 +0000 <c_wraith> the native code shows up in gdb the way you'd expect native code to
2024-08-04 02:52:55 +0000 <Inst> is there an easy / better way to do conditionals in linear haskell?
2024-08-04 02:55:30 +0000 <hololeap> Thread 1 "test-crypton" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
2024-08-04 02:55:36 +0000 <hololeap> 0x00007ffff68a89eb in crypton_decaf_448_precomputed_scalarmul () from /var/tmp/portage/dev-haskell/crypton-0.34/work/crypton-0.34/dist/build/libHScrypton-0.34-8uX0arO7yLMcECvDI93BC-ghc9.4.8.so
2024-08-04 03:03:48 +0000 <geekosaur> you may need to figure out how to build crypton with debug symbols
2024-08-04 03:04:50 +0000 <geekosaur> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/crypton-1.0.0/src/cbits/decaf/ed448goldilocks/decaf.c look for API_NS(precomputed_scalarmul)
2024-08-04 03:05:12 +0000 <hololeap> thanks geekosaur, I also found this: https://github.com/kazu-yamamoto/crypton/blob/main/cbits/decaf/include/decaf/point_448.h#L460
2024-08-04 03:06:00 +0000 <geekosaur> right, that's just the ANSI C declaration of the function I pointed you to
2024-08-04 03:06:18 +0000 <geekosaur> (declaration, not definition)
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2024-08-04 03:17:10 +0000 <geekosaur> (https://github.com/kazu-yamamoto/crypton/blob/main/cbits/decaf/ed448goldilocks/decaf.c#L1007 is the definition in the source tree instead of on Hackage)
2024-08-04 03:22:18 +0000peterbecich(~Thunderbi@syn-047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com)
2024-08-04 03:25:25 +0000 <hololeap> I'm not so good at this :p
2024-08-04 03:26:38 +0000 <hololeap> I added --gcc-option=-ggdb to configure, then ran the test suite manually with gdb and this is the stack trace: https://bpa.st/HRWA
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2024-08-04 03:30:46 +0000 <geekosaur> it's missing the debug information still. something may be stripping it (iirc Cabal defaults to that, for example, need --disable-executable-stripping)
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2024-08-04 03:51:21 +0000 <hololeap> I stripped down the configure flags that gentoo passes, and now it's not segfaulting. I'm bisecting the flags to see which one is creating the segfault
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2024-08-04 04:33:11 +0000 <Inst> forget it, I have a friend who does a lot of stuff with linear haskell, I'll just go ask him, I hope it's not the case that linear haskell ruins Haskell conditionals, although it's probable :(
2024-08-04 04:35:05 +0000 <hololeap> Inst, I think you need to give an example of what you're having trouble with
2024-08-04 04:36:34 +0000 <Inst> this is where I am right now
2024-08-04 04:36:35 +0000 <Inst> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/NnCh99ud
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2024-08-04 04:38:16 +0000 <Inst> should be a >= -1
2024-08-04 04:38:25 +0000 <Inst> or True / otherwise
2024-08-04 04:38:39 +0000 <Inst> I have it working now by using a manual if then else
2024-08-04 04:39:00 +0000 <Inst> also, %1 annotation within a where scope doesn't seem to work
2024-08-04 04:39:18 +0000 <Inst> i'm probably better off just waiting for my LH friend
2024-08-04 04:39:20 +0000 <hololeap> what error is it giving you
2024-08-04 04:39:47 +0000 <Inst> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/pW1ZpJP4
2024-08-04 04:40:12 +0000 <Inst> I guess XLinearType is experimental
2024-08-04 04:40:24 +0000 <Inst> and kvetching about it means little, it's rejecting view patterns if I try to Ur something
2024-08-04 04:40:32 +0000 <Inst> (move -> Ur b)
2024-08-04 04:43:40 +0000 <hololeap> I barely know anything about this, but you're duplicating the Int that is passed into rec... isn't that what linear types is supposed to prevent you from doing?
2024-08-04 04:55:02 +0000 <Inst> the problem I'm facing right now is that it seems that if I run a conditional on a numeric literal (uses Eq), it counts as a use
2024-08-04 04:55:45 +0000 <Inst> since the boolean producer is a function
2024-08-04 04:57:18 +0000 <hololeap> that may be true. I think you would have to be very careful about what needs to be linear. it seems like a very heavy restriction to be using without a real need to
2024-08-04 04:59:04 +0000 <Inst> thanks for the help, Hololeap
2024-08-04 04:59:17 +0000 <Inst> hololeap: I'm just practicing, it's a fun Haskell feature that has a lot of promise
2024-08-04 04:59:38 +0000 <Inst> and it's a fun excuse to tear apart libraries and rewrite it as linear Haskell and take credit for the rewrite :3
2024-08-04 05:00:31 +0000 <hololeap> you could look at the source for linear-base for some examples: https://github.com/tweag/linear-base
2024-08-04 05:00:53 +0000 <Inst> by the way, tomsmeding, I don't have the capability to do anything, but how much do you think it'd cost to retrofit accelerate?
2024-08-04 05:01:13 +0000 <Inst> yeah i'm using it right now
2024-08-04 05:01:14 +0000 <Inst> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/linear-base
2024-08-04 05:03:53 +0000 <hololeap> I see a lot of pattern matching in there but so far no if-then-else or comparisons, so linear types may just not allow it
2024-08-04 05:07:49 +0000 <Inst> i mean my code is working now, but the idea of having te go jump through hoops I don't understand is painful
2024-08-04 05:08:17 +0000 <Inst> https://paste.tomsmeding.com/mJ9YR21O
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2024-08-04 05:08:25 +0000 <hololeap> hm, the filter function in Data.Linear.List seems to need a Dupable restriction
2024-08-04 05:08:40 +0000 <hololeap> https://github.com/tweag/linear-base/blob/16795c74588d013bbb2d4cd7954fd129b8ad2c46/src/Data/Unrest…
2024-08-04 05:09:02 +0000 <Inst> that's a smart move
2024-08-04 05:09:39 +0000 <Inst> lol dup = dup2
2024-08-04 05:10:46 +0000 <Inst> also superfluous lambdacase
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2024-08-04 05:14:43 +0000 <Inst> cool, that works, and cleans up a lot
2024-08-04 05:14:53 +0000 <hololeap> https://github.com/tweag/linear-base/blob/master/src/Data/Replicator/Linear/Internal/ReplicationSt…
2024-08-04 05:14:59 +0000 <hololeap> this hurts my brain
2024-08-04 05:15:07 +0000 <Inst> it'll compile if on case dup input of...
2024-08-04 05:20:30 +0000 <Inst> yeah tbh that's why I was complaining about conditionals
2024-08-04 05:21:01 +0000 <Inst> it implicitly indicates you'd have to use dup or move (which produces a value in thhe newtype (Ur a), which means unrestricted, to allow running multiple conditionals
2024-08-04 05:21:42 +0000 <Inst> if you're using Dup
2024-08-04 05:21:42 +0000 <hololeap> it seems like they had to implement quite a bit to get it work
2024-08-04 05:22:11 +0000 <Inst> I have a friend who's done projects in linear haskell, maybe he'll have a nice workaround?
2024-08-04 05:24:20 +0000 <hololeap> hopefully
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2024-08-04 05:33:12 +0000 <hololeap> geekosaur: I narrowed down the configure option that is causing the problem to --ghc-option=-optc-march=znver2
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2024-08-04 05:33:33 +0000 <hololeap> which explains why I only hit the segfault on this system
2024-08-04 05:34:14 +0000 <hololeap> also, the correct configure option to add debugging symbols is --ghc-option=-optc-ggdb
2024-08-04 05:35:07 +0000 <hololeap> which gives this as the stack trace: https://bpa.st/3FKA
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2024-08-04 06:43:14 +0000 <geekosaur> that's somewhat odd; arch issues would normally toss SIGILL, not a segfault
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2024-08-04 07:21:33 +0000 <Inst> to an extent, though, linear haskell being stingy with conditionals isn't necessarily a bad thing
2024-08-04 07:21:44 +0000 <Inst> conditionals screw with vectorization
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2024-08-04 08:16:57 +0000 <Unhammer> Is there a way to make a wrapper to override implicit params?
2024-08-04 08:18:33 +0000 <Unhammer> Say I have a bunch of helper functions of type (?c :: C) => … and I'm in some `outer :: (?c :: C) => … ` and I want to call `helper` with overridden ?c, I can do that with `let ?c = override ?c in helper`
2024-08-04 08:19:15 +0000 <Unhammer> but I haven't been able to make a `withOverride func = let ?c = override ?c in func`
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2024-08-04 08:20:05 +0000 <Unhammer> since when I call it like `outer = withOverride helper` it seems the ?c is already bound to helper in the outer call and the override has no effect(?)
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2024-08-04 09:13:58 +0000 <mauke> > let helper = show ?c in helper
2024-08-04 09:13:59 +0000 <lambdabot> mueval-core: internal error: PAP object (0x420060e5d8) entered!
2024-08-04 09:13:59 +0000 <lambdabot> (GHC version 8.10.2 for x86_64_unknown_linux)
2024-08-04 09:13:59 +0000 <lambdabot> Please report this as a GHC bug: https://www.haskell.org/ghc/reportabug
2024-08-04 09:14:14 +0000 <mauke> > let helper = show ?c in let ?c = 42 in helper
2024-08-04 09:14:15 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-08-04 09:14:15 +0000 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘p’
2024-08-04 09:14:15 +0000 <lambdabot> with actual type ‘forall a. (Show a, ?c::a) => String’
2024-08-04 09:15:25 +0000 <mauke> > let helper = show ?c in let ?c = 42 in helper :: String
2024-08-04 09:15:26 +0000 <lambdabot> "42"
2024-08-04 09:18:16 +0000 <mauke> > let withOverride :: a -> ((?c :: a) => String) -> String; withOverride x f = let ?c = x in f; helper = show ?c in withOverride 42 helper
2024-08-04 09:18:18 +0000 <lambdabot> "42"
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2024-08-04 09:19:12 +0000 <int-e> :t let helper = show ?c in let ?c = 42 in helper
2024-08-04 09:19:13 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-08-04 09:19:13 +0000 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘p’
2024-08-04 09:19:13 +0000 <lambdabot> with actual type ‘forall a. (Show a, ?c::a) => String’
2024-08-04 09:19:28 +0000 <int-e> % :t let helper = show ?c in let ?c = 42 in helper
2024-08-04 09:19:28 +0000 <yahb2> <interactive>:1:29: error: parse error on input ‘?’
2024-08-04 09:19:41 +0000 <int-e> % :set -XImplicitParams
2024-08-04 09:19:41 +0000 <yahb2> <no output>
2024-08-04 09:19:44 +0000 <int-e> % :t let helper = show ?c in let ?c = 42 in helper
2024-08-04 09:19:44 +0000 <yahb2> let helper = show ?c in let ?c = 42 in helper :: [Char]
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2024-08-04 09:20:42 +0000 <int-e> not sure what the difference is here...
2024-08-04 09:21:01 +0000 <int-e> Why does yahb say [Char] instead of String?
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2024-08-04 10:50:52 +0000 <Inst> hololeap: got an answer, you're not supposed to use conditionals with linear types!
2024-08-04 10:51:19 +0000 <Inst> but my interlocutor didn't see the same opportunity for interleaving SIMD and vectorization with linear types :(
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2024-08-04 11:53:13 +0000 <Unhammer> Aha, the (?c :: a) in the type signature for the 'f' arg of withOverride was the missing piece, without that it doesn't get overridden.
2024-08-04 11:53:16 +0000 <Unhammer> thanks mauke
2024-08-04 11:53:48 +0000 <Inst> I did comment that linear types looks like an eDSL for vectorized instructions, but maybe I said something stupid again :(
2024-08-04 11:54:23 +0000 <Inst> apparently someone put in GHC primops for x86 SIMD, though
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2024-08-04 12:44:35 +0000 <probie> % :showi language
2024-08-04 12:44:36 +0000 <yahb2> base language is: GHC2021 ; with the following modifiers: ; -XExtendedDefaultRules ; -XImplicitParams ; -XNoMonomorphismRestriction
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2024-08-04 13:55:55 +0000 <hololeap> Inst: good to know
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