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2024-07-03 09:59:58 +0000 <Athas> What are good ways of doing message-based concurrency in Haskell? I have found https://github.com/haskell-distributed/distributed-process ("Cloud Haskell") so far.
2024-07-03 10:00:13 +0000 <Athas> I don't actually need physical distribution, but I would like a model that could in principle be distributed.
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2024-07-03 10:21:34 +0000 <Leary> Athas: When you say model, do you just mean theoretically? I have an unfinished library for deterministic **channel**-based concurrency based on KPN (possibly not quite what you mean by message-based). It can be distributed in /principle/, but in reality I think it would need to be completely rewritten to actually support it.
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2024-07-03 10:51:29 +0000 <tomsmeding> Athas: out of curiosity, in what sense are e.g. TChans not enough?
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2024-07-03 11:02:16 +0000 <Athas> tomsmeding: they might be, but they're a bit low level, so I'll need to build various things on top.
2024-07-03 11:02:24 +0000 <Athas> My context is teaching robust concurrent programming.
2024-07-03 11:02:43 +0000 <Athas> Leary: well, it has to actually run, but it doesn't have to be actually useful in a real-world/industrial setting.
2024-07-03 11:08:01 +0000 <Leary> My implementation prioritises safety over simplicity, so it's probably not suited for teaching. There's a fair bit of magic both in the implemtation and in the types.
2024-07-03 11:09:36 +0000 <Leary> But you could whip up your own simple KPN implementation; it's a very basic model of concurrency with very nice properties.
2024-07-03 11:10:11 +0000 <Leary> Nothing more robust than "if it's correct once, it's always correct; if it breaks one time, it will break next time".
2024-07-03 11:11:22 +0000 <danse-nr3> fine-grained seems more suited to teaching than automagic
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2024-07-03 14:46:53 +0000 <ncf> if i'm writing a package that depends on foo, is there a way to access foo's data directory as defined in Paths_foo?
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2024-07-03 15:12:34 +0000 <c_wraith> ncf: I think your only options are convincing foo to export Paths_foo, or looking at your own data directory and hoping you can hack it into the correct data directory for foo.
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2024-07-03 16:34:11 +0000 <Ashkan> Hello people. Why `Either Int Int` is a valid kind under `DataKinds` ?
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2024-07-03 16:34:40 +0000 <Ashkan> To be more precise, what does the `Int`s mean in a kind?
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2024-07-03 17:39:55 +0000 <dolio> Ashkan: It has all the values of Int promoted to the type level as 'types'.
2024-07-03 17:40:17 +0000 <dolio> The well-defined ones, I guess.
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2024-07-03 18:46:20 +0000 <tomsmeding> Ashkan: Why would `Either Int Int` _not_ be a valid kind?
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2024-07-03 22:38:34 +0000 <jle`> it's not a valid kind but it's not a super useful one
2024-07-03 22:38:57 +0000 <jle`> compared to kinds that are purely ADT's and Nat/Symbol
2024-07-03 22:39:12 +0000 <jle`> oh they left
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