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2024-04-22 01:01:35 +0000 <raehik> We have Generically for deriving instances via Generic with nice syntax. Why don't we have Typeably, for instances via Typeable?
2024-04-22 01:01:52 +0000 <raehik> is it just a case of "you can't do that much with Typeable so no one cared"?
2024-04-22 01:03:00 +0000 <geekosaur> probably
2024-04-22 01:04:09 +0000 <raehik> I guess it took Generically a while to make it into base and that's very useful
2024-04-22 01:09:39 +0000 <raehik> (wow, Generically was GHC 9.4, I thought we'd had it for a few yrs)
2024-04-22 01:10:16 +0000 <raehik> (wow GHC 9.4 was 2 yrs ago I have a poor sense of time)
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2024-04-22 07:20:15 +0000 <hc> > let a n = (-1)^n / sqrt(n) in a 4
2024-04-22 07:20:17 +0000 <lambdabot> error:
2024-04-22 07:20:17 +0000 <lambdabot> • Ambiguous type variable ‘a0’ arising from a use of ‘show_M353431457368...
2024-04-22 07:20:17 +0000 <lambdabot> prevents the constraint ‘(Show a0)’ from being solved.
2024-04-22 07:20:26 +0000 <hc> Hi all, could you explain to me how to solve this error? :)
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2024-04-22 07:44:28 +0000 <geekosaur> use (**) instead of (^)
2024-04-22 07:44:33 +0000 <geekosaur> :t let a n = (-1)^n / sqrt(n) in a 4
2024-04-22 07:44:34 +0000 <lambdabot> (Integral a, Floating a) => a
2024-04-22 07:44:48 +0000 <geekosaur> kinda hard for a number to be Integral and Floating at the same time
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2024-04-22 08:47:06 +0000 <probie> > let a n = (-1 :: Double)^n/sqrt(fromIntegral n) in a 4 -- Or you might want something like this
2024-04-22 08:47:07 +0000 <lambdabot> 0.5
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2024-04-22 09:21:31 +0000 <Inst> why is unsafePerformIO . (\u -> appendFile "log.log" "message goes here >> pure u) a bad idea?
2024-04-22 09:22:09 +0000 <Inst> At the very least, it'd be a problem under concurrency, I guess
2024-04-22 09:22:41 +0000 <Inst> and this is standard?
2024-04-22 09:22:42 +0000 <Inst> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/fast-logger
2024-04-22 09:23:57 +0000 <Inst> Besides the libs, what are good ways to handle logging?
2024-04-22 09:25:12 +0000 <Inst> writer monad iirc is considered bad practice (because you want to write to log immediately), you could use IO wrappers for logging
2024-04-22 09:25:26 +0000 <Inst> there's STM / concurrent unsafePerformIO logging, i guess
2024-04-22 09:27:18 +0000 <jackdk> fast-logger, monad-logger, and katip are the main ones I'm aware of
2024-04-22 09:27:51 +0000 <Inst> but from a design standpoint, the only problem with unsafePerformIO appendLog is that it breaks concurrency, right?
2024-04-22 09:28:15 +0000 <Inst> it's essentially as "pure" as unsafePerformIO hPutStr stderr (trace), no?
2024-04-22 09:28:43 +0000 <jackdk> *shrug* I don't have the cycles to think about it, sorry
2024-04-22 09:36:56 +0000 <ski> the `unsafePerformIO'd action can be duplicated (if inlining)
2024-04-22 09:37:46 +0000 <ski> (<https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/libraries/base-4.19.0.0-b67a/GHC-IO-Unsafe.html>)
2024-04-22 09:38:11 +0000 <juri_> tomjaguarpaw: thank you again. :D
2024-04-22 09:40:50 +0000 <Inst> ski: why is that a bad thing? Especially if you want a precise record of actions done, i.e, behavior matches Debug.Trace.
2024-04-22 09:41:10 +0000 <Inst> s/actions done/calculations made
2024-04-22 09:41:56 +0000 <ski> if you're okay with unexpectedly getting duplicated log entries ..
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2024-04-22 09:48:08 +0000 <Inst> thanks
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2024-04-22 09:50:59 +0000 <ncf> Debug.Trace uses unsafePerformIO
2024-04-22 09:51:30 +0000 <ncf> (with NOINLINE pragmas)
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2024-04-22 11:52:38 +0000 <hc> geekosaur: thanks dude
2024-04-22 11:52:42 +0000 <hc> appreciate it
2024-04-22 11:54:02 +0000 <hc> class (Real a, Enum a) => Integral a where
2024-04-22 11:54:21 +0000 <hc> I think I misinterpreted that and assumed that a is a real number that can be bit encoded =)
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2024-04-22 12:24:07 +0000 <ski> @src Real
2024-04-22 12:24:07 +0000 <lambdabot> class (Num a, Ord a) => Real a where
2024-04-22 12:24:07 +0000 <lambdabot> toRational :: a -> Rational
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2024-04-22 12:39:59 +0000 <shapr> Is there a hackage query library?
2024-04-22 12:40:12 +0000 <shapr> I want to find packages with large QuickCheck test suites
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2024-04-22 15:50:53 +0000 <cheater> isn't there some way to download the complete stackage to local?
2024-04-22 15:50:56 +0000 <cheater> you could do that
2024-04-22 15:51:07 +0000 <cheater> and then get wild
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2024-04-22 16:25:21 +0000 <Ptival> I've been considering going back to Emacs, but the state of the Haskell Flycheck mode looks very confusing. It seems like support for Stack projects work, but neither haskell-stack-ghc (understandably) nor haskell-ghc seem to do anything reasonable regarding Cabal features such as default-extensions. What are people using these days?
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2024-04-22 16:28:47 +0000 <yushyin> for me, GHC2024 + BlockArguments, DuplicateRecordFields, ImportQualifiedPost, LexicalNegation, NoFieldSelectors
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2024-04-22 17:00:22 +0000 <glguy> Ptival: When I open Haskell projects in emacs it's set up to use HLS and it fully understands the cabal project structure
2024-04-22 17:02:53 +0000 <glguy> something like: https://glguy.net/share/9b962f25d21c2c9cf36466ce73a1c25f.png
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2024-04-22 17:10:11 +0000 <monochrom> I use emacs with haskell-mode. No flycheck or hls or anything fancy. The 80-20 rule.
2024-04-22 17:10:18 +0000 <monochrom> Hell, the 99-1 rule.
2024-04-22 17:12:12 +0000 <glguy> it's so easy to use that 99 people use it and 1 monochome doesn't
2024-04-22 17:12:15 +0000 <glguy> -e
2024-04-22 17:14:19 +0000 <glguy> fast access to documentation, reliable jump-to-definition, and access to type information for local definitions has been very valuable to me, especially when working in unfamiliar codebases
2024-04-22 17:14:37 +0000 <monochrom> haha
2024-04-22 17:15:02 +0000 <glguy> and hls has come far enough since the beginning that it's actually a time savings to use it. for a while i would spend more time on these tools getting them to work than then time saved working on projects
2024-04-22 17:16:59 +0000 <glguy> it also helps that the same configuration works across vscode, vim, and emacs so it's pretty easy to move around... I still haven't settled on one editor
2024-04-22 17:17:58 +0000 <cheater> i use lambdabot
2024-04-22 17:18:05 +0000 <cheater> while modern HLSes and modes are snazzy
2024-04-22 17:18:16 +0000 <cheater> none of yours has @protontorpedo
2024-04-22 17:20:21 +0000 <ncf> @protontorpedo
2024-04-22 17:20:21 +0000 <lambdabot> is functional ebtter than oo?
2024-04-22 17:21:05 +0000 <glguy> > "functional" > "oo"
2024-04-22 17:21:07 +0000 <lambdabot> False
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2024-04-22 17:33:16 +0000 <ski> @palomer
2024-04-22 17:33:17 +0000 <lambdabot> Pfft
2024-04-22 17:33:20 +0000 <ski> @keal
2024-04-22 17:33:20 +0000 <lambdabot> i still dont understand how gci is supposed to do anything other than mathematics
2024-04-22 17:33:25 +0000 <Ptival> seems like part of my answer is "get rid of Flycheck" then, and the other part is "figure out how to get the LSP setup to do its thing"
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2024-04-22 17:37:52 +0000 <EvanR> @ski
2024-04-22 17:37:52 +0000 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: wiki src ask
2024-04-22 17:38:19 +0000 <ski> @quote EvanR
2024-04-22 17:38:20 +0000 <lambdabot> EvanR says: < EvanR> @forget EvanR
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2024-04-22 17:52:43 +0000 <Ptival> in case someone reads these logs in the future (maybe myself when I inevitably forget), my problem was that I had set up doom-emacs to use (haskell +lsp), but I had missed that you also need to separately enable lsp in the tools section
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2024-04-22 17:53:26 +0000 <ski> (there may well be unseen lurkers with us atm)
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2024-04-22 19:21:18 +0000 <mauke> TIL lists in SASL syntax work a lot like lists in Perl
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2024-04-22 21:27:18 +0000 <glguy> mauke: example?
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