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2024-04-13 07:34:17 +0200 <masaeedu> hello folks
2024-04-13 07:34:26 +0200 <danza> o/
2024-04-13 07:34:42 +0200 <masaeedu> anyone here use haskell-flake with build tools?
2024-04-13 07:34:56 +0200 <danza> not me
2024-04-13 07:35:01 +0200 <masaeedu> i'm specifically trying to get c2hs working, but i can't quite work it out
2024-04-13 07:45:34 +0200 <masaeedu> OK there's some info here: https://gist.github.com/ScottFreeCode/ef9f254e2dd91544bba4a068852fc81f
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2024-04-13 12:24:24 +0200 <masaeedu> Why are the links in the haddocks for the last version of so many packages broken?
2024-04-13 12:24:51 +0200 <masaeedu> E.g. on https://hackage.haskell.org/package/dhall-nix-1.1.26 the link to Dhall.Nix is broken
2024-04-13 12:25:00 +0200 <masaeedu> But on https://hackage.haskell.org/package/dhall-nix-1.1.25 it's fine
2024-04-13 12:26:26 +0200puke(~puke@user/puke) (Quit: puke)
2024-04-13 12:27:00 +0200 <ncf> looks like the doc builds failed https://hackage.haskell.org/package/dhall-nix-1.1.26/reports/
2024-04-13 12:27:29 +0200 <ncf> too old GHC, presumably
2024-04-13 12:28:46 +0200 <int-e> too new actually
2024-04-13 12:29:24 +0200 <ncf> not just right, in any case
2024-04-13 12:30:25 +0200 <int-e> (hackage seems to be on some ghc-9.2.x going by the base version.)
2024-04-13 12:30:54 +0200 <int-e> Err, it says 9.2.4 at the top. I'm blind.
2024-04-13 12:31:21 +0200 <int-e> When dhall-nix-1.1.25 was uploaded it was still on 8.10.2
2024-04-13 12:31:56 +0200puke(~puke@user/puke)
2024-04-13 12:32:49 +0200 <int-e> We can't blame hnix either; hnix-0.17.0 relaxed the base upper bound (to 5, which honestly is sane in my opinion)
2024-04-13 12:33:16 +0200 <int-e> But dhall-nix has a < 0.15 upper bound on hnix.
2024-04-13 12:35:31 +0200 <ncf> can we at least blame hackage
2024-04-13 12:35:49 +0200 <int-e> Not really.
2024-04-13 12:36:28 +0200 <int-e> I guess the code that turns module names in .cabal files into links could check whether docs are actually available.
2024-04-13 12:36:48 +0200 <ncf> i guess if the cabal file specified a list of tested ghc versions it could filter based on that. but it doesn't
2024-04-13 12:37:13 +0200 <int-e> I don't think hackage supports several compiler versions at once?
2024-04-13 12:37:32 +0200 <ncf> sounds like something i could blame them for
2024-04-13 12:38:05 +0200Lord_of_Life_(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915)
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2024-04-13 12:38:07 +0200 <int-e> I mean, you /can/ find reasons to blame hackage but eh, they're all easy to excuse if you compare effort required to fix it to the harm done.
2024-04-13 12:38:47 +0200 <int-e> package maintainers can upload their own docs too
2024-04-13 12:38:54 +0200 <int-e> so you can blame them!
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2024-04-13 12:40:03 +0200 <ncf> nice, someone to blame
2024-04-13 12:40:46 +0200ncfquickly checks that lambdabot docs are up to date
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2024-04-13 14:44:51 +0200 <masaeedu> is it correct to assume that Cabal's pkgconfig-depends should be used in preference to extra-libraries whenever possible?
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2024-04-13 14:46:17 +0200 <tomsmeding> yes
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2024-04-13 16:24:44 +0200 <masaeedu> am i understanding correctly that peekByteOff can read more than one byte?
2024-04-13 16:24:59 +0200 <masaeedu> (from the Storable class)
2024-04-13 16:25:28 +0200 <int-e> yes
2024-04-13 16:25:49 +0200 <masaeedu> specifically, the amount read is given by the implementation of sizeOf
2024-04-13 16:25:52 +0200 <masaeedu> cool, thanks
2024-04-13 16:28:34 +0200 <danza_> hmm which extension would you use for a file containing haskell Show representations?
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2024-04-13 16:36:02 +0200 <tomsmeding> danza_: for what purpose?
2024-04-13 16:36:17 +0200 <danza_> for parsing again with read
2024-04-13 16:36:24 +0200 <tomsmeding> I'd base the extension on what the contents mean or what they are for, not on whether it's Show data
2024-04-13 16:36:31 +0200 <tomsmeding> because there's no convention for any extension there
2024-04-13 16:36:49 +0200 <danza_> makes sense, just asking in case there was any convention i ignored
2024-04-13 16:36:53 +0200 <tomsmeding> (.hs would be the most accurate in a certain sense, but that's certainly a bad idea)
2024-04-13 16:37:13 +0200 <danza_> nah many show are not haskell
2024-04-13 16:37:23 +0200 <danza_> date for instance
2024-04-13 16:37:31 +0200 <danza_> %t fromGregorian
2024-04-13 16:37:48 +0200 <danza_> > :t fromGregorian
2024-04-13 16:37:49 +0200 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘:’
2024-04-13 16:37:59 +0200 <tomsmeding> :t fromGregorian
2024-04-13 16:38:00 +0200 <lambdabot> error: Variable not in scope: fromGregorian
2024-04-13 16:38:04 +0200 <danza_> cheers
2024-04-13 16:38:07 +0200 <tomsmeding> @let import Data.Time
2024-04-13 16:38:08 +0200 <lambdabot> /sandbox/tmp/.L.hs:122:1: error:
2024-04-13 16:38:08 +0200 <lambdabot> Data.Time: Can't be safely imported!
2024-04-13 16:38:08 +0200 <lambdabot> The package (time-1.9.3) the module resides in isn't trusted.
2024-04-13 16:38:11 +0200 <tomsmeding> ah
2024-04-13 16:38:18 +0200 <danza_> does not matter
2024-04-13 16:38:25 +0200 <tomsmeding> I get `2024-04-13`
2024-04-13 16:38:33 +0200 <danza_> exactly
2024-04-13 16:38:37 +0200tomsmedinghates that, make it valid haskell and make formatters work plz
2024-04-13 16:39:30 +0200 <ncf> have you considered using a serialisation library instead of Show and Read
2024-04-13 16:40:10 +0200 <danza_> well it's my zero-effort serialisation system, for commands written real quick
2024-04-13 16:40:54 +0200 <danza_> sorry got to go, have a nice weekend o/
2024-04-13 16:42:21 +0200 <int-e> . o O ( .hsdn = Haskell data notation )
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2024-04-13 17:45:13 +0200 <duncan> is this a real thing?
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2024-04-13 17:54:33 +0200tomsmedinghas never heard of it
2024-04-13 17:54:49 +0200 <tomsmeding> and given the above points about Show it's better that it's not a thing
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2024-04-13 18:42:48 +0200 <mauke> you probably don't want to hear how my old IRC bot implemented its storage, then :-)
2024-04-13 18:45:55 +0200 <mauke> CREATE TABLE xtable (xkey BLOB NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY, xvalue BLOB NOT NULL);
2024-04-13 18:46:11 +0200 <mauke> and most of the values where strings from 'show'
2024-04-13 18:46:22 +0200 <mauke> s/where/were/
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2024-04-13 18:47:14 +0200 <sprout> this is the way
2024-04-13 18:48:30 +0200 <mauke> (originally the storage backend wasn't even SQL, just a persistent Data.Map, hence the impedance mismatch)
2024-04-13 18:49:45 +0200 <mauke> but it meant the bot recorded karma scores as bignums (Integer) and timestamps with picosecond precision :-)
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2024-04-13 18:52:20 +0200 <mauke> also, protip: it really pays off to have a separate "storage server" process that takes care of all the persistence stuff
2024-04-13 18:53:17 +0200 <mauke> because if you want to add multi-server/multi-network capability to your bot, you can just run multiple instances all talking to the same storage backend
2024-04-13 18:53:21 +0200 <mauke> without having to deal with threads
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2024-04-13 19:02:28 +0200 <EvanR> sqlite3 overwhelming
2024-04-13 19:03:42 +0200 <EvanR> separate out the storage to another process
2024-04-13 19:03:48 +0200 <EvanR> separate out the GUI to another process
2024-04-13 19:04:01 +0200 <EvanR> separate out the app logic to another process
2024-04-13 19:04:16 +0200 <EvanR> separate out the crash reports to another process
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2024-04-13 19:24:46 +0200 <mauke> I did use sqlite :-)
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2024-04-13 20:14:24 +0200 <ph88> does anyone know how to make the `test2` function work? https://bpa.st/ZQXA perhaps i can type annotate it somehow?
2024-04-13 20:15:50 +0200 <geekosaur> I think you need to use either OverloadedLabels or OverloadedRecordDot
2024-04-13 20:17:42 +0200 <ph88> i tried putting both of those extensions in both source files same type error appears. I also tried writing `test.fieldB` instead of `fieldB test` same type error
2024-04-13 20:18:48 +0200 <ph88> oh `test.fieldB` works actually, didn't save file before recompile
2024-04-13 20:19:53 +0200 <geekosaur> just the extension isn't enough, for OverloadedLabels it would be `test #fieldB`
2024-04-13 20:21:03 +0200 <ph88> hhmm that doesn't seem quite right somehow https://bpa.st/TATA
2024-04-13 20:22:23 +0200 <geekosaur> hm, that's with OverloadedLabels? looks like the error I'd expect without that extension
2024-04-13 20:23:58 +0200 <ph88> yes {-# LANGUAGE OverloadedLabels #-}
2024-04-13 20:27:36 +0200 <cheater> i ran hasktags -bx . and set vim to use TAGS and all the tags are off by one line. what gives?
2024-04-13 20:28:55 +0200 <geekosaur> mrf, I keep forgetting ghc doesn't actually give you the implementation for labels, you get half of one if you import `GHC.OverloadedLabels` (the error message will become better in that case)
2024-04-13 20:29:10 +0200 <geekosaur> I guess you have to use OverloadedRecordDot for that to work
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2024-04-13 20:32:45 +0200 <ph88> what is mrf ?
2024-04-13 20:33:16 +0200 <geekosaur> a vocalization
2024-04-13 20:33:21 +0200 <ph88> How would the implementation for a label look? Can it be automatically derived?
2024-04-13 20:33:35 +0200 <geekosaur> (expression of annoyance)
2024-04-13 20:33:45 +0200 <ph88> :D
2024-04-13 20:34:06 +0200 <geekosaur> https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/9.8.1/docs/users_guide/exts/overloaded_labels.html you can't derive IsLabel automatically
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2024-04-13 20:35:49 +0200 <ph88> OverloadedRecordDot it is then :D
2024-04-13 20:51:22 +0200Square(~Square@user/square)
2024-04-13 21:00:31 +0200 <tomsmeding> mauke: that definitely is the way, I love that setup, good hacker spirit
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2024-04-13 21:17:19 +0200 <monochrom> We should also get OverloadedLambda so that λ is sometimes an identifier so you can use it for eigenvalues and some other times it is \ as in (λx -> x+1) = (\x -> x+1).
2024-04-13 21:17:50 +0200 <monochrom> And of course (λλ. λ+1) should also be allowed! >:)
2024-04-13 21:22:50 +0200ncf. o O ( https://acatalepsie.fr/posts/overloading-lambda.html )
2024-04-13 21:25:14 +0200 <geekosaur> λ𝛌
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2024-04-13 21:33:49 +0200 <dolio> Sounds great in combination with BlockArguments.
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2024-04-13 21:36:01 +0200 <monochrom> haha
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