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2024-03-04 02:14:32 +0000 <Axman6> The more I work with HDL languages, the more I wonder if the secret sauce for Intel and AMD isn't their silicone skills, but their ability to not have absolutely insane HDL projects with ridiculous, esoteric tools
2024-03-04 02:15:19 +0000tri(~tri@ool-18bc2e74.dyn.optonline.net)
2024-03-04 02:15:39 +0000ski(~ski@ext-1-033.eduroam.chalmers.se) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
2024-03-04 02:20:10 +0000 <geekosaur> *snicker*
2024-03-04 02:20:45 +0000 <Axman6> -e
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2024-03-04 02:21:21 +0000 <Axman6> Serious, VHDL is an absolutely insane language, with bizarre nearly-dependent types, but archaic module management
2024-03-04 02:21:32 +0000ski(~ski@ext-1-033.eduroam.chalmers.se)
2024-03-04 02:22:12 +0000 <Axman6> +ly - bleh, forgetting how to type today apparently. this does not bode well for me starting work on a C++ project today
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2024-03-04 02:26:56 +0000 <geekosaur> at C-MU ECE we were teaching students Verilog (VHDL) on behalf of Intel…
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2024-03-04 10:54:05 +0000 <Inst> unison is fascinating
2024-03-04 10:54:08 +0000 <Inst> i wonder if it'll get traction
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2024-03-04 12:43:31 +0000 <Guest15> please i'm getting these "2024/03/04 13:40:12 ERROR: could not copy file 'timescaledb.dll': open C:/PROGRA~1/POSTGR~1/15/lib/timescaledb.dll: The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process.
2024-03-04 12:43:31 +0000 <Guest15> Press ENTER/Return key to close...
2024-03-04 12:43:32 +0000 <Guest15> " i'm trying to set up a server project
2024-03-04 12:44:02 +0000 <Guest15> and i have install postgresql
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2024-03-04 16:26:51 +0000 <dmj`> [exa]: this looks promising https://www.cs.tufts.edu/~nr/cs257/archive/martin-odersky/hmx.pdf
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2024-03-04 18:13:37 +0000 <ph88> I have my database model tied to my haskell data types. Does someone have some good advices how to handle database migrations? The thing is i don't have the old and new data types available in my source code at the same time to make rewrite functions. And if i do it on the SQL level it's not as safe due to a complicated data model and difficult serialization
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2024-03-04 18:25:42 +0000 <c_wraith> ph88: given those constraints, you really need to keep the old data types around. Move them to a different module or something, so that nothing uses them accidentally.
2024-03-04 18:26:35 +0000 <ph88> c_wraith, oh a different module, that's already a good idea
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2024-03-04 18:59:16 +0000 <EvanR> honestly the ability to express migrations that way should be a killer app vis a vis web programming
2024-03-04 18:59:39 +0000 <EvanR> everyone is struggling to do better than json object all the things
2024-03-04 19:00:02 +0000 <EvanR> and pray
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2024-03-04 19:30:23 +0000 <dmj`> safecopy allows that
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2024-03-04 19:38:28 +0000 <shapr> howdy dmj` long time no chat, you still in the northeast US?
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2024-03-04 21:25:19 +0000 <ph88> Should you check in your stack.yaml.lock into version control ?
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2024-03-04 22:08:15 +0000 <duncan> it's a lock file, a cache, don't check it in
2024-03-04 22:08:40 +0000 <duncan> you can check it in (check the documentation) but it's not essential
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2024-03-04 22:09:09 +0000 <glguy> lock files give other developers information about which versions of things actually work when they try to build it themselves
2024-03-04 22:09:10 +0000 <duncan> there may be advantages of doing so though
2024-03-04 22:10:29 +0000 <tomsmeding> is a lock file actually relevant for stack, with snapshots and all?
2024-03-04 22:10:50 +0000 <glguy> presumably they wouldn't have created the file at all if it had zero information in it
2024-03-04 22:11:22 +0000 <tomsmeding> fair :D
2024-03-04 22:11:29 +0000 <glguy> https://docs.haskellstack.org/en/stable/lock_files/
2024-03-04 22:11:35 +0000 <tomsmeding> I guess at the very least, packages from extra-deps from hackage are in there
2024-03-04 22:11:37 +0000 <tomsmeding> yeah I found it
2024-03-04 22:13:46 +0000 <glguy> on that topic if you're still using package.yaml files you should still be checking the generated .cabal file into the repo
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2024-03-04 23:52:54 +0000 <haskellbridge> <s​m> I have never paid attention to stack.yaml.lock and never regretted not committing it
2024-03-04 23:53:50 +0000 <geekosaur> I would hope it is recreated at need, or the name is horrid…
2024-03-04 23:54:16 +0000 <haskellbridge> <s​m> it is
2024-03-04 23:54:48 +0000 <haskellbridge> <s​m> I am deleting them all the time because they offend me when looking for files in a directory listing :)
2024-03-04 23:56:00 +0000 <geekosaur> the description earlier made it sound more like `cabal.freeze` than a lock file, tbh
2024-03-04 23:56:48 +0000 <haskellbridge> <s​m> AFAICT it's more documentation of the build plan used than anything else, I'm not sure it has much effect
2024-03-04 23:57:40 +0000 <geekosaur> okay, that makes more sense. I'd never check in `cabal.plan` either
2024-03-04 23:57:50 +0000 <haskellbridge> <s​m> you made me curious. https://docs.haskellstack.org/en/stable/lock_files/
2024-03-04 23:58:36 +0000 <geekosaur> blame glguy 🙂 [04 22:09:09] <glguy> lock files give other developers information about which versions of things actually work when they try to build it themselves
2024-03-04 23:59:32 +0000 <jackdk> I tend to check in cabal.project.freeze for the same reason as I'd check in flake.lock - as you say, it means you know exactly what versions of things you last built with
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