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2024-01-17 01:13:47 +0100 <sm> Axman6: and also at https://haskell-links.org
2024-01-17 01:14:18 +0100 <sm> oh! @quote and @where are different, my mistake
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2024-01-17 02:29:21 +0100 <tinjamin> howdy shapr
2024-01-17 02:29:53 +0100 <tinjamin> good to see the community bussing and alive!
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2024-01-17 03:23:04 +0100 <Axman6> sWe do our best, but tinjamin keep in mind that irc is often quiet for long periods - if you have a question, just ask it and people will help
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2024-01-17 13:12:52 +0100 <tinjamin> what is the final reduced form of this expression?
2024-01-17 13:13:06 +0100 <tinjamin> https://chat.ndlug.org/uploads/bdec807f5c54e5b6/2024-01-17-071433.jpg
2024-01-17 13:13:46 +0100 <tinjamin> i got (λx.xy)(y)(λx.xz)
2024-01-17 13:14:22 +0100 <tinjamin> but idk if u can do another reduction to get yy(λx.xz)
2024-01-17 13:15:38 +0100Eoco(~ian@128.101.131.218)
2024-01-17 13:16:30 +0100 <ncf> sure
2024-01-17 13:18:06 +0100 <tinjamin> wait so did u get yy(λx.xz)?
2024-01-17 13:19:57 +0100 <ncf> yes!
2024-01-17 13:21:29 +0100 <tinjamin> sweet, thanks
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2024-01-17 13:22:55 +0100 <sprout> there's only one unbound variable in that expression and that's z
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2024-01-17 13:25:40 +0100 <ncf> y is also free
2024-01-17 13:27:11 +0100 <tinjamin> ncf: i assume the third y?
2024-01-17 13:27:37 +0100 <ncf> yes
2024-01-17 13:27:47 +0100 <tinjamin> do people actual write haskell code that looks this or is this mathematical jargon
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2024-01-17 13:28:27 +0100 <danse-nr3> can be ported to something that reads the same, but one does not do replacement while programming, if not in your head
2024-01-17 13:28:36 +0100 <danse-nr3> also, types
2024-01-17 13:34:14 +0100Eoco(~ian@128.101.131.218) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2024-01-17 13:35:01 +0100 <sprout> oh right
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2024-01-17 13:41:39 +0100 <Axman6> tinjamin: only as an exercise, but the ideas are important, because it's strongly related to how Haskell executes
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2024-01-17 13:45:58 +0100 <tinjamin> got it o7
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2024-01-17 14:25:18 +0100 <shapr> tinjamin: GOOD MORNING!
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2024-01-17 14:25:48 +0100 <shapr> god morgon alla!
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2024-01-17 14:30:13 +0100 <[exa]> hello shapr.
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2024-01-17 14:35:09 +0100 <shapr> hyvää huomenta [exa] !
2024-01-17 14:35:34 +0100 <shapr> mitä kuluu?
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2024-01-17 14:38:49 +0100 <shapr> hej hopp waleee, hur mår du idag?
2024-01-17 14:39:51 +0100 <tinjamin> gm shapr
2024-01-17 14:40:23 +0100 <shapr> How's code treating you?
2024-01-17 14:41:41 +0100 <tinjamin> i haven't coded yet lolol
2024-01-17 14:41:53 +0100 <tinjamin> just finished chapter 1 of haskell from first principle
2024-01-17 14:41:57 +0100 <shapr> oh good!
2024-01-17 14:42:01 +0100 <shapr> What do you think?
2024-01-17 14:42:10 +0100 <tinjamin> i enjoy it
2024-01-17 14:42:19 +0100 <tinjamin> i hope the paradigm shift clicks for me
2024-01-17 14:43:24 +0100mima(~mmh@aftr-62-216-211-151.dynamic.mnet-online.de)
2024-01-17 14:43:46 +0100 <shapr> When I started I came from Python and I expected to use a loop counter to carry around state for me.
2024-01-17 14:44:09 +0100 <shapr> I found it difficult to make the jump from explicit loops to implicit control flow.
2024-01-17 14:44:42 +0100 <shapr> For example, I would have written Python style fibonacci with an explicit lookup into the "previous element"
2024-01-17 14:45:09 +0100 <shapr> Since the function for fibonacci is 1,1, (sum of the two previous elements), (sum of the two previous elements)
2024-01-17 14:45:15 +0100 <shapr> like 1,1,2,3,5
2024-01-17 14:45:47 +0100 <shapr> The first time I saw the recursive lazy list fibonacci, my brain was very stretched!
2024-01-17 14:47:29 +0100 <shapr> > let fibonacci = 1:1: zipWith (+) fibonacci (tail fibonacci) in take 30 fibonacci
2024-01-17 14:47:30 +0100 <lambdabot> [1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,17...
2024-01-17 14:47:34 +0100 <dminuoso_> Yeah I think expicit recursion is so much simpler for a bunch of reasons. There's no magic implicit "oh it jumps from here to there, and then magically things change their value, but others dont" which you tap into to cause behavior.
2024-01-17 14:48:14 +0100 <dminuoso_> Though that example goes into recursion schemes
2024-01-17 14:48:25 +0100 <dminuoso_> Which I hate again. While concise, its just too dense
2024-01-17 14:49:49 +0100 <tinjamin> interesting, i don't really understand it yet but hopefully soon 😅
2024-01-17 14:49:50 +0100 <shapr> dminuoso_: do you have a more instructive / illustrative example?
2024-01-17 14:50:33 +0100 <shapr> tinjamin: you can lazily construct a list
2024-01-17 14:50:45 +0100 <shapr> > somelist = 1 : 2 : 3 : [] in somelist
2024-01-17 14:50:47 +0100 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:10: error: parse error on input ‘=’
2024-01-17 14:50:52 +0100 <shapr> > let somelist = 1 : 2 : 3 : [] in somelist
2024-01-17 14:50:54 +0100 <lambdabot> [1,2,3]
2024-01-17 14:51:07 +0100 <tinjamin> shapr: i don't program a lot so my knowledge of python and C is limited. I have a background in pure math up to calc 3 and linear algebra so that's what i'm hoping to get me through lolol
2024-01-17 14:51:23 +0100 <shapr> > let manyOnes = 1 : manyOnes in take 50 manyOnes
2024-01-17 14:51:25 +0100 <lambdabot> [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1...
2024-01-17 14:51:32 +0100 <shapr> tinjamin: this is a great time to start!
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2024-01-17 18:13:13 +0100 <waleee> shapr: lång oom-låsning på hemmadesktopen och snöfall, objektivt var dagen lite skit
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2024-01-17 18:51:59 +0100 <shapr> waleee: finns också snöfall har i Boston. Min dator har förmycket RAM så ingen oom
2024-01-17 18:52:09 +0100 <shapr> men kanske behover en ny dator med MER ram
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2024-01-17 19:06:51 +0100 <EvanR> 🐏
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2024-01-17 19:28:46 +0100 <tinjamin> friends is there a difference between weak head normal form and lazy evaluation? if so, what's the difference?
2024-01-17 19:29:16 +0100 <tinjamin> also what the heck is (\f --> (1, 2 + f)) 2
2024-01-17 19:29:28 +0100 <tinjamin> https://chat.ndlug.org/uploads/1fd52f7db7775758/2024-01-17-133035.jpg
2024-01-17 19:29:52 +0100pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!)
2024-01-17 19:32:06 +0100 <johnw> WHNF refers to the structure of a term, and how it has been reduced
2024-01-17 19:33:00 +0100 <johnw> lazy evaluation is a strategy that tends to reduce terms to WHNF; but one is a process and the other is a classification
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2024-01-17 19:34:01 +0100 <tinjamin> okay that makes sense, thanks!
2024-01-17 19:38:42 +0100 <geekosaur> as to your second question, it's a lambda (anonymous function) applied to a value
2024-01-17 19:39:05 +0100 <geekosaur> well, reading --> as -> it is
2024-01-17 19:39:19 +0100 <tinjamin> yeah that was my typo
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2024-01-17 19:41:07 +0100 <tinjamin> geekosaur: how come when I load it into GHCi it complains about a parse error?
2024-01-17 19:42:10 +0100 <geekosaur> works here https://paste.tomsmeding.com/BZDUrWnd
2024-01-17 19:42:12 +0100 <tinjamin> wait never mind, it works when I enter it directly into GHCi
2024-01-17 19:42:33 +0100 <tinjamin> lol thanks mate
2024-01-17 19:42:35 +0100 <geekosaur> if you just slap it in a file it won't work because files contain bindings, not raw expressions
2024-01-17 19:42:55 +0100 <tinjamin> yeah, thats what I did originally
2024-01-17 19:43:00 +0100 <geekosaur> evaluation starts with the binding `main :: IO a`
2024-01-17 19:43:19 +0100 <geekosaur> this is more like C/C++/Java than Python/JS
2024-01-17 19:43:50 +0100 <tinjamin> hmmm okay
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2024-01-17 20:58:12 +0100 <EvanR> evaluate main to get an IO action, execute it, which may involve more evaluation to deal with the result, repeat
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2024-01-17 21:14:42 +0100wootehfoot(~wootehfoo@user/wootehfoot) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2024-01-17 21:20:55 +0100a51(a51@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/a51)
2024-01-17 21:33:23 +0100lortabac(~lortabac@2a01:e0a:541:b8f0:55ab:e185:7f81:54a4) (Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1)
2024-01-17 21:34:35 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net)
2024-01-17 21:36:24 +0100eggplantade(~Eggplanta@2600:1700:38c5:d800:2d24:d5c:94b1:61c)
2024-01-17 21:38:13 +0100waldo(~waldo@user/waldo) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2024-01-17 21:38:24 +0100ChaiTRex(~ChaiTRex@user/chaitrex) (Quit: ChaiTRex)
2024-01-17 21:38:40 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2024-01-17 21:44:35 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net)
2024-01-17 21:48:12 +0100donnodk(~donnodk@85.191.185.172)
2024-01-17 21:48:31 +0100stiell(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2024-01-17 21:49:04 +0100ChaiTRex(~ChaiTRex@user/chaitrex)
2024-01-17 21:49:09 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-01-17 21:50:25 +0100cstml(~cstml@user/cstml)
2024-01-17 21:52:05 +0100waldo(~waldo@user/waldo)
2024-01-17 21:54:29 +0100stiell(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell)
2024-01-17 21:55:05 +0100cstml(~cstml@user/cstml) (Client Quit)
2024-01-17 21:58:36 +0100caconym(~caconym@user/caconym) (Quit: bye)
2024-01-17 22:03:53 +0100caconym(~caconym@user/caconym)
2024-01-17 22:06:01 +0100target_i(~target_i@217.175.14.39) (Quit: leaving)
2024-01-17 22:06:57 +0100_ht(~Thunderbi@28-52-174-82.ftth.glasoperator.nl) (Quit: _ht)
2024-01-17 22:08:14 +0100average(uid473595@user/average) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2024-01-17 22:09:20 +0100harveypwca(~harveypwc@2601:246:c280:7940:585a:99af:3e4c:209b)
2024-01-17 22:15:56 +0100a51(a51@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/a51) (Quit: WeeChat 4.1.2)
2024-01-17 22:17:10 +0100peterbecich(~Thunderbi@047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com)
2024-01-17 22:17:44 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net)
2024-01-17 22:20:04 +0100zmt01(~zmt00@user/zmt00) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2024-01-17 22:20:28 +0100zmt01(~zmt00@user/zmt00)
2024-01-17 22:23:30 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2024-01-17 22:26:29 +0100johnw(~johnw@69.62.242.138) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
2024-01-17 22:29:13 +0100peterbecich(~Thunderbi@047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2024-01-17 22:29:30 +0100harveypwca(~harveypwc@2601:246:c280:7940:585a:99af:3e4c:209b) (Quit: Leaving)
2024-01-17 22:32:29 +0100ft(~ft@p508dbda4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
2024-01-17 22:36:14 +0100fansly(~fansly@2001:448a:2010:476e:5d30:627d:73c3:a75f) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-01-17 22:37:28 +0100fansly(~fansly@2404:c0:5c10::5d27:d60)
2024-01-17 22:45:27 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net)
2024-01-17 22:45:48 +0100califax(~califax@user/califx) (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-01-17 22:46:10 +0100califax(~califax@user/califx)
2024-01-17 22:50:23 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2024-01-17 22:50:49 +0100Eoco(~ian@128.101.131.218) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2024-01-17 22:53:47 +0100vglfr(~vglfr@65.red-88-6-212.staticip.rima-tde.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-01-17 22:58:48 +0100vglfr(~vglfr@134.pool85-48-57.dynamic.orange.es)
2024-01-17 22:58:54 +0100michalz(~michalz@185.246.207.205) (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in)
2024-01-17 22:59:39 +0100Eoco(~ian@128.101.131.218)
2024-01-17 23:03:55 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net)
2024-01-17 23:06:39 +0100hueso_(~root@user/hueso) (Quit: hueso_)
2024-01-17 23:06:53 +0100Eoco(~ian@128.101.131.218) (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-01-17 23:07:19 +0100Eoco(~ian@128.101.131.218)
2024-01-17 23:12:11 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2024-01-17 23:15:11 +0100Eoco(~ian@128.101.131.218) (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-01-17 23:16:41 +0100hueso(~root@user/hueso)
2024-01-17 23:16:46 +0100Eoco(~ian@128.101.131.218)
2024-01-17 23:20:42 +0100average(uid473595@user/average)
2024-01-17 23:21:14 +0100coot(~coot@89-69-206-216.dynamic.chello.pl) (Quit: coot)
2024-01-17 23:27:09 +0100chomwitt(~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a12:5900:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2024-01-17 23:27:56 +0100jmdaemon(~jmdaemon@user/jmdaemon)
2024-01-17 23:28:26 +0100Eoco(~ian@128.101.131.218) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2024-01-17 23:29:03 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net)
2024-01-17 23:30:13 +0100Eoco(~ian@128.101.131.218)
2024-01-17 23:33:44 +0100vglfr(~vglfr@134.pool85-48-57.dynamic.orange.es) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2024-01-17 23:34:01 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2024-01-17 23:34:03 +0100vglfr(~vglfr@65.red-88-6-212.staticip.rima-tde.net)
2024-01-17 23:34:54 +0100emmanuelux(~emmanuelu@user/emmanuelux)
2024-01-17 23:37:01 +0100wroathe(~wroathe@50.205.197.50)
2024-01-17 23:37:01 +0100wroathe(~wroathe@50.205.197.50) (Changing host)
2024-01-17 23:37:01 +0100wroathe(~wroathe@user/wroathe)
2024-01-17 23:43:37 +0100takuan(~takuan@178-116-218-225.access.telenet.be) (Remote host closed the connection)
2024-01-17 23:45:20 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net)
2024-01-17 23:49:12 +0100peterbecich(~Thunderbi@047-229-123-186.res.spectrum.com)
2024-01-17 23:49:55 +0100segfaultfizzbuzz(~segfaultf@76-206-41-24.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2024-01-17 23:50:13 +0100johnw(~johnw@69.62.242.138)
2024-01-17 23:53:42 +0100acidjnk(~acidjnk@p200300d6e737e799153519f8f5371d87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)