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2024-01-14 01:07:41 +0000 <lisbeths_> the pure parts of haskell are an abstract machine
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2024-01-14 02:32:35 +0000 <lisbeths_> based on the lack of anger I am guessing that is correct
2024-01-14 02:32:45 +0000 <EvanR> seems perfectly cromulent
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2024-01-14 04:23:32 +0000 <monochrom> All of Haskell is an abstract machine. >:)
2024-01-14 04:24:33 +0000 <monochrom> Hell, given that even today's asm is emulated on real hardware, all languages in use are abstract machines!
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2024-01-14 07:10:23 +0000 <haskellbridge> 05<i​rregularsphere> computers are (implementations) of the Von Neumann architecture (abstract machine) and all computer science is built on top of it
2024-01-14 07:10:37 +0000 <haskellbridge> 05<i​rregularsphere> well not all
2024-01-14 07:10:54 +0000 <haskellbridge> 05<i​rregularsphere> ok microsoft word is an abstract machine
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2024-01-14 16:30:14 +0000 <ncf> is there an easy way to attach an error context to some value, so that if its evaluation fails i get a more detailed error?
2024-01-14 16:31:05 +0000 <ncf> i'm guessing it's gonna be some combination of evaluate, try/catch and unsafePerformIO, but is that already packaged somewhere?
2024-01-14 16:33:56 +0000 <glguy_> ncf: I don't know of one, but if you find it I'd be interested to hear
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2024-01-14 16:38:41 +0000 <ncf> found https://hackage.haskell.org/package/spoon-0.3.1
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2024-01-14 16:41:44 +0000 <glguy_> I opened that to see if it had anything, but that's not what you want, is it?
2024-01-14 16:42:58 +0000 <ncf> well fromMaybe (error "foo") (spoon a) is pretty close to what i want
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2024-01-14 19:07:04 +0000 <glguy> TIL you can consolidate multiple classes in one deriving via e.g. deriving (ToTable, ToValue, FromValue) via GenericToml Physical
2024-01-14 19:07:32 +0000 <glguy> I think that should have been obvious because it's how normal deriving works, but I just didn't have the right mental model
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2024-01-14 19:20:14 +0000 <Ashkan> Hello :wave:
2024-01-14 19:20:15 +0000 <Ashkan> I'm looking for a lib to model 2,3 and 4 element vector for graphics. I've found `linear` and its vector types are `Storable` (+1) but I'm thinking maybe it's an overkill ? there is `vect` package as well but looks kinda abandoned ...
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2024-01-14 19:25:10 +0000 <[exa]> Ashkan: Linear.V3 and Linear.V4 and everything should be pretty good for the purpose. The package isn't completely heavyweight is it?
2024-01-14 19:25:33 +0000 <[exa]> (oh wait it depends on lens and everything, ok)
2024-01-14 19:27:09 +0000 <Ashkan> exarkun Tnx for the quick response. Honestly I'm not sure what constitutes *heavy* here :D just trying to make sure I'm not missing some de facto nice little package that is a better fit. Otherwise Linear looks rather good for me.
2024-01-14 19:28:12 +0000 <Ashkan> At the moment even a 3-tuple would do for me. Problem is `(a,b,c)` doesn't have a `Storable` instance (or I couldn't find it ?)
2024-01-14 19:28:34 +0000 <[exa]> re heavy, it's initially gonna install for some time until everything compiles, but that's it
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2024-01-14 19:29:31 +0000 <Ashkan> That's not a problem. I'm thinking more along the like of too-many-features-Im-never-gonna-use kinda heavy
2024-01-14 19:29:48 +0000 <[exa]> re storable tuple, I don't think the normal tuple would have storable but there's a strict tuple somehow which might have
2024-01-14 19:30:35 +0000 <[exa]> ah re the features I wouldn't care
2024-01-14 19:31:34 +0000waldo(~waldo@user/waldo)
2024-01-14 19:31:35 +0000 <[exa]> as in, are you doing some actual 2d/3d math? if so, the features likely come handy later. If not, you might also just want to copypaste the code you need and that's it
2024-01-14 19:33:27 +0000 <Ashkan> Atm, no. Just need to put a number of (x,y,z) and (r,g,b) values together to model a very rough mesh to feed into my vulkan shader for testing. But I'm thinking, math part will come sooner or later ...
2024-01-14 19:34:03 +0000 <[exa]> then just go with linear, it's gonna get super handy
2024-01-14 19:34:26 +0000 <[exa]> ah btw
2024-01-14 19:34:27 +0000 <[exa]> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/storable-tuple-0.1/docs/Foreign-Storable-Tuple.html
2024-01-14 19:35:54 +0000 <[exa]> (so the story looks like Storable tuples were omitted from Base on purpose)
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2024-01-14 19:42:05 +0000 <Ashkan> yeah
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2024-01-14 19:52:40 +0000 <EvanR> Ashkan, the package called `linear' has V2 V3 V4 and matrix types, and lots of math geared toward gamez
2024-01-14 19:52:53 +0000 <EvanR> oof, too late
2024-01-14 19:54:25 +0000 <EvanR> it does pull in the kmettiverse, but I like it for being targeted and popular
2024-01-14 19:54:37 +0000 <EvanR> also check out #haskell-game
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2024-01-14 20:27:35 +0000 <[exa]> "kmettiverse" ok I'll re-use this name
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2024-01-14 23:38:59 +0000 <c_wraith> I find it really odd that the number one thing people seem to use Hakyll for is blogs, yet there don't seem to be any libraries for doing things like "load a list of posts and build index pages for them"
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2024-01-14 23:50:16 +0000 <haskellbridge> 06<s​m> it's very popular with new haskell fans setting up a new blog, but I think few of these setups develop into full-featured blog
2024-01-14 23:51:41 +0000 <haskellbridge> 06<s​m> I think lack of support (ecosystem and eg libraries like you mention) and costly updates (build time, poor durability over time) are ther easons
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