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2023-08-05 07:55:43 +0000 <Inst> is Flatparse standard these days?
2023-08-05 07:59:26 +0000 <Inst> jesus, i just saw the benchmarks, the way i remembered it, attoparsec used to be very close to C performance, but extrapolating from Rust benchmarks it seems that flatparse is 1.75x rust
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2023-08-05 08:01:15 +0000 <Inst> that said, cereal is faster than nom
2023-08-05 08:01:20 +0000 <Inst> n mp4s
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2023-08-05 19:05:06 +0000 <dminuoso> Inst: I dont know about standard.
2023-08-05 19:05:18 +0000 <dminuoso> I think megaparsec/attoparsec are far more widely used.
2023-08-05 19:05:30 +0000 <dminuoso> Attoparsec is definitely not even close to C performance.
2023-08-05 19:06:10 +0000 <Inst> i had that misconception from old serpentine blog post
2023-08-05 19:06:17 +0000 <Inst> flatparse is potentially close to C performance
2023-08-05 19:07:02 +0000 <dminuoso> Yup, indeed.
2023-08-05 19:07:25 +0000 <dminuoso> But it requires a bit of additional care and core analysis to keep it that way.
2023-08-05 19:07:44 +0000 <dminuoso> The performance of flatparse is potentially only challenged by parsley.
2023-08-05 19:08:01 +0000 <dminuoso> parsley has even the potential to be faster.
2023-08-05 19:08:56 +0000 <dminuoso> However, in a bunch of experiments its currently not faster, which is presumably due to some bugs.
2023-08-05 19:09:17 +0000vglfr(~vglfr@cli-188-239-201-89.bbn.slav.dn.ua)
2023-08-05 19:11:59 +0000 <shapr> I hadn't heard of parsley : https://github.com/j-mie6/ParsleyHaskell
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2023-08-05 19:39:11 +0000 <oo_miguel> sorry wrong chan
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2023-08-05 21:11:57 +0000 <dsal> I keep feeling like I want something like "pure" for monoid. Is this a thing at all?
2023-08-05 21:12:44 +0000pavonia(~user@user/siracusa)
2023-08-05 21:13:06 +0000 <geekosaur> I'm not sure I even know what that would mean
2023-08-05 21:13:12 +0000 <ncf> :t mempty
2023-08-05 21:13:13 +0000 <lambdabot> Monoid a => a
2023-08-05 21:14:01 +0000 <ncf> Applicative is a kind of monoid, and pure corresponds to the unit (while <*> corresponds to <>)
2023-08-05 21:14:22 +0000 <ncf> did you mean something else?
2023-08-05 21:14:26 +0000 <geekosaur> I was thinking maybe Alternative
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2023-08-05 21:19:04 +0000 <dsal> Yeah, I was thinking about applicative. But basically stuff like (:[]), Set.singleton, const 1, etc...
2023-08-05 21:19:29 +0000 <Hecate> dsal: yep, that's mempty
2023-08-05 21:19:57 +0000 <dsal> No, not mempty. Monoid m => a -> m
2023-08-05 21:20:05 +0000 <dsal> Which is kind of a weird shape.
2023-08-05 21:20:56 +0000 <ncf> :t (:[])
2023-08-05 21:20:57 +0000 <lambdabot> a -> [a]
2023-08-05 21:21:02 +0000 <ncf> :t Data.Set.singleton
2023-08-05 21:21:03 +0000 <lambdabot> a -> S.Set a
2023-08-05 21:21:05 +0000 <ncf> :t const 1
2023-08-05 21:21:06 +0000 <lambdabot> Num a => b -> a
2023-08-05 21:21:10 +0000 <Hecate> dsal: question: what's the kind signature of m ?
2023-08-05 21:21:22 +0000 <ncf> :t const
2023-08-05 21:21:23 +0000 <lambdabot> a -> b -> a
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2023-08-05 21:21:33 +0000 <ncf> (:[]), singleton and const all match the type of pure
2023-08-05 21:21:51 +0000 <dsal> Yeah, it looks like pure, but I just want a monoid.
2023-08-05 21:22:01 +0000 <mauke> :t (<$mempty)
2023-08-05 21:22:02 +0000 <lambdabot> (Functor f, Monoid (f b)) => a -> f a
2023-08-05 21:22:04 +0000 <Hecate> dsal: you want the m without the a ?
2023-08-05 21:22:18 +0000 <Hecate> and you want it polymorphic?
2023-08-05 21:22:47 +0000 <dsal> Hecate: Well, not exactly. I just want to be able to express `Monoid m => a -> m` which I can do for any specific monoid, but not in general.
2023-08-05 21:22:55 +0000 <dsal> :t foldMap
2023-08-05 21:22:56 +0000 <lambdabot> (Foldable t, Monoid m) => (a -> m) -> t a -> m
2023-08-05 21:22:59 +0000 <dsal> Kind of what happens here.
2023-08-05 21:23:15 +0000 <ncf> not all monoids have a sensible a -> m
2023-08-05 21:23:29 +0000 <dsal> Yeah, const is getting on the less sensible side.
2023-08-05 21:24:03 +0000 <dsal> This seems like something smaller than a monoid, but still a thing I run into occasionally.
2023-08-05 21:24:37 +0000 <ncf> do you have any example that's not satisfied by pure or mempty?
2023-08-05 21:24:56 +0000 <dsal> I've not actually considered pure.
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2023-08-05 21:25:22 +0000 <Hecate> foldMap (const mempty) :: (Foldable t, Monoid m) => t a -> m
2023-08-05 21:25:30 +0000 <Hecate> dsal: ^ ?
2023-08-05 21:25:52 +0000 <ncf> weird way of spelling mempty
2023-08-05 21:26:05 +0000 <dsal> Heh. That's a sort of example of how this might work.
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2023-08-05 21:26:25 +0000 <dsal> I don't actually have a useful example in front of me. Trying to think of the rough shape of where I've seen this.
2023-08-05 21:26:32 +0000 <ncf> > foldMap (const mempty) [0..10] :: Sum Int
2023-08-05 21:26:33 +0000 <lambdabot> Sum {getSum = 0}
2023-08-05 21:27:53 +0000 <Hecate> dsal: did we already suggest const mempty?
2023-08-05 21:28:24 +0000 <dsal> i just want it to do something kind of useful. e.g., if the monoid is a list, it should be (:[]). If it's a Set, it should be Set.singleton, etc...
2023-08-05 21:28:33 +0000 <dsal> It's not a zero value, it's a one value.
2023-08-05 21:29:08 +0000 <mauke> what if it's Sum Int?
2023-08-05 21:29:35 +0000 <dsal> const 1
2023-08-05 21:30:03 +0000 <ncf> what if it's Product Int?
2023-08-05 21:30:30 +0000 <dsal> Yeah, that's why it seems like it might be a smaller type than monoid. It wouldn't make sense for every Monoid.
2023-08-05 21:30:56 +0000 <Hecate> dsal: just create your own structure
2023-08-05 21:31:00 +0000 <Hecate> call it a dickoid or whatever
2023-08-05 21:31:08 +0000 <dsal> haha
2023-08-05 21:31:56 +0000 <Hecate> dsal: am I wrong though?
2023-08-05 21:32:00 +0000 <dsal> I'm mainly just wondering if anyone's done it because it seems somewhat useful. I also don't know names. What's a Monoid with a one value?
2023-08-05 21:32:11 +0000 <ncf> a ring?
2023-08-05 21:32:14 +0000 <Hecate> looks like you want most of the Monoid with an additional element?
2023-08-05 21:32:23 +0000 <ncf> or a semiring at least
2023-08-05 21:32:43 +0000 <ncf> but that excludes [a], so doesn't fit your requirements
2023-08-05 21:32:51 +0000 <ncf> i don't think there's anything to unify here...
2023-08-05 21:32:52 +0000 <Hecate> you want a non-identity element
2023-08-05 21:33:39 +0000 <Hecate> dsal: there is no concept of "one value", there's the neutral element and that's it
2023-08-05 21:34:11 +0000 <Hecate> either your element is neutral on the internal operation, or it's not
2023-08-05 21:34:31 +0000 <ncf> rings formalise "one" pretty well
2023-08-05 21:34:40 +0000 <geekosaur> sure there is or there wouldn't be a concept of "singleton"
2023-08-05 21:36:23 +0000 <Hecate> ah indeed, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_pairing TIL
2023-08-05 21:36:57 +0000 <Hecate> dsal: there's this https://hackage.haskell.org/package/non-empty-0.3.3/docs/Data-NonEmpty-Class.html#t:Singleton
2023-08-05 21:37:00 +0000 <dsal> Yeah, the semiring thing looks like what I was thinking of, but a bit further constrained.
2023-08-05 21:37:04 +0000 <Hecate> but there is no Monoid superclass
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2023-08-05 21:37:12 +0000 <ncf> what does pairing have to do with this
2023-08-05 21:38:06 +0000 <Hecate> ncf: I read that the axiom of pairing justifies the existence a singleton {a} ∀ a
2023-08-05 21:38:42 +0000 <ncf> if you're doing set theory, sure
2023-08-05 21:39:00 +0000 <Hecate> that's what geekosaur is raising no?
2023-08-05 21:39:10 +0000 <Hecate> or are there other singletons that are of interest in our case?
2023-08-05 21:39:38 +0000 <Hecate> ncf: aren't we doing set theory from the beginning? Isn't monoid a set? :p
2023-08-05 21:40:17 +0000 <ncf> if your foundations are type theory then a monoid is a type
2023-08-05 21:40:45 +0000 <ncf> (and if your foundations are homotopy type theory you may want to constrain that type to be an h-set, but this does not have much to do with material set theory)
2023-08-05 21:41:14 +0000 <Hecate> ncf: wait, aren't types sets?
2023-08-05 21:41:29 +0000 <ncf> type theory stands on its own
2023-08-05 21:41:37 +0000 <ncf> you can interpret it in the category of sets if you like
2023-08-05 21:42:06 +0000 <ncf> see https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/monoid+in+a+monoidal+category for the most general notion of a monoid
2023-08-05 21:42:33 +0000 <Hecate> < ncf> you can interpret it in the category of sets if you like // ah, TIL
2023-08-05 21:42:45 +0000 <Hecate> well, dsal, which category do you want your answer packed in? :p
2023-08-05 21:43:07 +0000 <dsal> Heh. I'm just a blue collar haskeller.
2023-08-05 21:43:16 +0000 <Hecate> dsal: high five
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2023-08-05 22:01:46 +0000 <dsal> The rough shape of the thing I'm looking for, with Singleton is: thing :: (Monoid m, Singleton s, m ~ s a) => [a] -> m
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2023-08-05 22:09:43 +0000 <ncf> :t concatMap pure
2023-08-05 22:09:44 +0000 <lambdabot> Foldable t => t b -> [b]
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2023-08-05 22:09:56 +0000 <ncf> er
2023-08-05 22:10:14 +0000 <ncf> :t foldMap pure
2023-08-05 22:10:15 +0000 <lambdabot> (Foldable t, Monoid (f a), Applicative f) => t a -> f a
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2023-08-05 22:13:21 +0000 <ncf> or foldMap singleton
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2023-08-05 22:14:58 +0000 <dsal> Yeah, I did foldMap singleton for the above. I'll have to decide whether this actually helps anything at some other point. The downside of singleton is that it carries the `a` so doing a `const 1` sort of thing doesn't work.
2023-08-05 22:16:32 +0000 <dsal> I think one of the places I ran into this was at work where someone had created a data structure that's kind of like MonadWriter and implemented the equivalent of `tell` as `\a -> stuff <> [a]`
2023-08-05 22:16:40 +0000 <dsal> (it was only defined for list)
2023-08-05 22:17:15 +0000 <dsal> so redefining it for an arbitrary monoid requires me to be able to say what it means to put one `a` at the end of the list in this case.
2023-08-05 22:17:31 +0000 <dsal> A term the author referred to as "consing"
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2023-08-05 22:18:05 +0000 <dsal> er, s/term/concept/… whatever. There were a few things I didn't quite like about this particular piece of code.
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2023-08-05 22:44:40 +0000 <[Leary]> dsal: Maybe you want something like `newtype FreeMonoid a = FreeMonoid (forall m. Monoid m => (a -> m) -> m)`, with `singleton :: a -> FreeMonoid a; singleton a = FreeMonoid \k -> k a`. Then you can interpret it in whatever monoid you want, though it's not that different from using lists and eventually applying `foldMap`.
2023-08-05 22:46:04 +0000 <dsal> Heh, yeah. The most recent time this came up was someone manually placing items at the end of a list and I was trying to think of better ways to manage this.
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2023-08-05 23:47:43 +0000 <jackdk> dsal: Seems kinda related to a `Pointed` class, except nobody uses that in Haskell because it's very hard to make it say anything useful when it interacts with other classes, and it's not worth asking everyone to define instances for it on the way to deriving `Applicative`.
2023-08-05 23:49:31 +0000 <jackdk> [Leary]: One benefit of that encoding over just using lists is you can cons and snoc without as much performance trouble
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