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2023-07-30 01:38:05 +0200 <wroathe> Hmm, I tried using Beam like 4 years ago and the documentation site was more or less in the same state as it's in now: https://haskell-beam.github.io/beam/schema-guide/migrations/. Am I missing something or did this guy build a whole library and then just go "fuck it" and give up on filling out the documentation?
2023-07-30 01:38:35 +0200 <wroathe> I'm trying to find some examples of his migrations framework
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2023-07-30 01:42:21 +0200 <dolio> Does anyone remember seeing an encoding of real numbers using streams of 0, 1 and -1, which has the right computability properties to actually match (some subinterval of) the real numbers?
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2023-07-30 01:54:39 +0200 <c_wraith> -1, 0, 1 sounds like balanced ternary representation. but I'm not sure what the latter part means.
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2023-07-30 01:55:09 +0200 <dolio> Well, for instance, if you only use 0 and 1, addition is uncomputable.
2023-07-30 01:55:53 +0200 <dolio> Even for numbers that should able to be added, if your bit streams are limited to representing [0,1].
2023-07-30 01:56:13 +0200 <c_wraith> ah. You're going for a representation which allows more operations to be closed under the set of computable reals?
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2023-07-30 01:57:09 +0200 <dolio> Yeah, I want something that is equivalent to the 'normal' computable reals, but has a relatively simple definition (no rational arithmetic and δ-ε approximation and stuff).
2023-07-30 02:04:49 +0200 <c_wraith> Well, I think whatever you're recalling was using balanced ternary, but I'm not sure how it relates to CR. Well, that's not entirely true. I'm seeing it has some properties like "rounding and truncation are the same operation", which is really helpful - when doing epsilon-delta approximations.
2023-07-30 02:05:00 +0200 <c_wraith> But that's what you asked for it to not have. :)
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2023-07-30 02:08:47 +0200 <dolio> Well, I think the point is that 0,1 reals get you into 'infinite carry' situations. Like, if you add 0 to 1/2, where the latter is represented as '0111...', no finite amount of lookahead will help you be sure of the first digit of the result.
2023-07-30 02:09:21 +0200 <dolio> And the ternary representation might let you go, "I'll just put a 1 there and fix it up with a -1 later if I need to."
2023-07-30 02:09:56 +0200 <dolio> But I'd like a reference to something instead of working out all the details myself. :)
2023-07-30 02:11:59 +0200 <dolio> Also it might not be arbitrary streams of 0,1,-1. Not sure.
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2023-07-30 05:27:50 +0200 <EvanR> dolio, Signed-Digit Numbe Representations for Fast Parallel Arithmetic - Algirdas Avizienis ?
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2023-07-30 06:06:40 +0200 <dolio> Maybe. Hard to tell from the abstract whether that's about real numbers or integers.
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2023-07-30 06:14:15 +0200 <monochrom> I bet "fast" means integers. :)
2023-07-30 06:30:42 +0200 <dolio> Yeah. It's from the 60s, too. :)
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2023-07-30 07:19:12 +0200 <Inst__> hmmm, is anyone bored?
2023-07-30 07:19:24 +0200 <Inst__> i have a really bad minimax algorithm in Haskell for tic-tac-toe
2023-07-30 07:19:41 +0200 <Inst__> wondering if anyone is willing to help clean it up (no, I'm not optimizing it, but just in terms of readability)
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2023-07-30 09:20:37 +0200 <[exa]> Inst__: don't ask to pastebin code, just pastebin code
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2023-07-30 10:37:12 +0200 <probie> If you ask "can someone help me clean it up" without including the code at the time of asking, you're not likely to get a reply. You're asking someone to volunteer their time without really letting them know what they'll be volunteering for
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2023-07-30 10:41:11 +0200 <probie> Your minimax might be <10 line naive {mini,nega}max with no pruning, or something quite involved with pruning, transposition tables, and relies on knowledge about sibling nodes (e.g. you've implemented the killer heuristic for move ordering)
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2023-07-30 12:08:18 +0200 <c_wraith> a completely unoptimized game tree for tic-tac-toe has less than 300k nodes. It doesn't matter that much if you optimize it or not.
2023-07-30 12:09:03 +0200 <darkling> But maybe the exercise of writing the optimisations is in itself interesting.
2023-07-30 12:09:19 +0200 <jade[m]> tbh for tic tac toe you might as well encode all possible game states by hand
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2023-07-30 13:38:39 +0200 <probie> c_wraith: I'd assumed they were using the term "tic-tac-toe" to refer to an arbitrary m,n,k game (m x n board, k in a row to win), as opposed to 3,3,3 in specific, but that may have been a mistake on my part
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2023-07-30 13:48:31 +0200Square(~Square@user/square)
2023-07-30 13:58:06 +0200 <ncf> found the answer to my question! section 6 of https://arxiv.org/pdf/1402.1699.pdf
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2023-07-30 13:59:29 +0200 <ncf> so a Monad m => (a -> m a) -> s -> m s is the same as s -> Free (Store a) s, where Store a s = (a, a -> s)
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