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2022-11-09 00:21:36 +0000 <Axman6> @pl expand m = m >>= \(a, bs) -> map (a,) bs
2022-11-09 00:21:36 +0000 <lambdabot> (line 1, column 11):
2022-11-09 00:21:36 +0000 <lambdabot> unexpected " "
2022-11-09 00:21:36 +0000 <lambdabot> expecting operator
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2022-11-09 00:31:45 +0000 <Axman6> @pl \(a, bs) -> map (a,) bs
2022-11-09 00:31:45 +0000 <lambdabot> (line 1, column 19):
2022-11-09 00:31:45 +0000 <lambdabot> unexpected ","
2022-11-09 00:31:45 +0000 <lambdabot> expecting letter or digit, variable, "(", operator or ")"
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2022-11-09 02:11:38 +0000 <jackdk> @pl \(a, bs) -> map (\x -> (a,x)) bs
2022-11-09 02:11:38 +0000 <lambdabot> uncurry (map . (,))
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2022-11-09 07:27:18 +0000 <phileasfogg> I removed {cabal, stack} packages from my machine and installed them again with ghcup. While stack is available in the $HOME/.local/bin/stack, I have no idea how to execute cabal and ghci
2022-11-09 07:28:31 +0000mshv22(~mshv22@76.115.19.239)
2022-11-09 07:28:34 +0000 <phileasfogg> and obviously I removed the ghc package as well
2022-11-09 07:28:59 +0000 <phileasfogg> I'm trying to manage the entire toolchain with ghcup, and look like it's not going very well
2022-11-09 07:29:08 +0000 <phileasfogg> may I ask for your help?
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2022-11-09 07:45:10 +0000 <maerwald[m]> phileasfogg: did you read the post install message?
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2022-11-09 11:53:35 +0000 <Bish> what function was that [M a] => M [a] thingie
2022-11-09 11:53:37 +0000 <Bish> i forgot
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2022-11-09 11:58:02 +0000 <lortabac> :t sequenceA -- Bish
2022-11-09 11:58:03 +0000 <lambdabot> (Traversable t, Applicative f) => t (f a) -> f (t a)
2022-11-09 11:58:08 +0000 <Bish> that was it!
2022-11-09 11:58:11 +0000 <Bish> thank you
2022-11-09 11:58:20 +0000 <lortabac> :t sequence
2022-11-09 11:58:21 +0000 <lambdabot> (Traversable t, Monad m) => t (m a) -> m (t a)
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2022-11-09 12:41:20 +0000 <merijn> Bish: FYI:
2022-11-09 12:41:28 +0000 <merijn> @hoogle [m a] -> m [a]
2022-11-09 12:41:29 +0000 <lambdabot> GHC.Base sequence :: Monad m => [m a] -> m [a]
2022-11-09 12:41:29 +0000 <lambdabot> Hledger.Utils sequence' :: Monad f => [f a] -> f [a]
2022-11-09 12:41:29 +0000 <lambdabot> Test.FuzzCheck jumble :: (MonadIO m, MonadBaseControl IO m) => [m a] -> m [a]
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2022-11-09 13:14:39 +0000 <tdammers> Xeroine: https://bpa.st/3EYA this works
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2022-11-09 13:29:31 +0000 <phileasfogg> This is quite an UNIX stuff, but I want to process the stdout log coming out from the unix program in real time with Haskell. How should I do that?
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2022-11-09 13:30:19 +0000 <merijn> the same way you do it in any other language?
2022-11-09 13:31:13 +0000 <phileasfogg> For instance, let's say I want to make a log appear in real time in the GUI I made. I thought about just using some getContents, but I think it's not the right way to do it.
2022-11-09 13:32:10 +0000 <phileasfogg> Moreover, when I tried to use the brick and getContents in the same time, it almost tried to kill each other
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2022-11-09 13:36:07 +0000 <merijn> phileasfogg: getContents use lazy IO which is almost certainly not what you want
2022-11-09 13:36:35 +0000 <merijn> phileasfogg: You can just explicitly read from stdin/various other file descriptors
2022-11-09 13:36:50 +0000 <merijn> getLine/hGetLine come to mind
2022-11-09 13:37:22 +0000 <merijn> There's also various stream processing libraries which make it easier to turn input streams into streams of specific datatypes and operate on them (conduit, pipes, streamly)
2022-11-09 13:38:08 +0000 <arjun> you also might need to use hSetBuffering handle NoBuffering
2022-11-09 13:38:34 +0000 <dminuoso> catchException :: Exception e => IO a -> (e -> IO a) -> IO a; [...] Note that this function is strict in the action. That is, catchException undefined b == _|_. See for details.
2022-11-09 13:38:38 +0000 <dminuoso> See *what* for details?
2022-11-09 13:39:56 +0000 <dminuoso> Also TIL. A stack overflow is communicated as a haskell exception, and appears to be catchable in principle...
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2022-11-09 13:40:38 +0000 <phileasfogg> merijn: thank you so much. I'll do more research based on your advice.
2022-11-09 13:41:17 +0000 <merijn> phileasfogg: You'll want to look at System.IO (or, probably more approppriately) Data.Text.IO from the text package
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2022-11-09 13:41:35 +0000 <merijn> phileasfogg: All the standard "read X bytes from a file descriptor"-stuff you'
2022-11-09 13:41:36 +0000 <dminuoso> merijn: I honestly think h/getContents was a big mistake. :(
2022-11-09 13:41:44 +0000 <merijn> you'd find in other languages is there
2022-11-09 13:42:12 +0000 <dminuoso> It usefulness is stops after advent of code excercises.
2022-11-09 13:42:48 +0000 <phileasfogg> dminuoso: I'm just a novice, but I had a serious problem getting the stdin and update the bricks tui with that
2022-11-09 13:42:52 +0000 <dminuoso> Also beware of Data.Text.IO
2022-11-09 13:43:05 +0000 <phileasfogg> h/getContents might be related?
2022-11-09 13:43:11 +0000 <dminuoso> readFile has some subtle gotchas (covered in its haddock) - you almost assuredly want Data.ByteString.readFile instead.
2022-11-09 13:43:52 +0000 <merijn> phileasfogg: brick kinda expects stdin to be a terminal and to fully control it
2022-11-09 13:44:36 +0000 <phileasfogg> oh, so when the stdin comes in from another pipeline it just dies?
2022-11-09 13:44:56 +0000 <phileasfogg> that was my experience at least
2022-11-09 13:45:10 +0000 <merijn> well, not dies, but yeah piping into a program expecting a terminal is gonna be...wonky
2022-11-09 13:45:25 +0000 <merijn> phileasfogg: You'd be better off using a unix socket/named pipe and having your TUI application read from that
2022-11-09 13:46:11 +0000 <phileasfogg> didn't try that before, I think that's the best method for me now
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2022-11-09 15:16:02 +0000 <Heyting> does anyone use emacs for writing haskell? what do you use beside haskell-mode and lsp-mode?
2022-11-09 15:16:16 +0000 <dminuoso> Just that, really
2022-11-09 15:16:48 +0000 <dminuoso> Well and the usual emacs gimmicks like magit, undo-tree and what not
2022-11-09 15:17:05 +0000 <dminuoso> (More recently, undo-tree has become quite a favourite of mine)
2022-11-09 15:17:10 +0000 <geekosaur> I don't even use lsp-mode; I predate such gimmicks
2022-11-09 15:17:25 +0000 <shapr> I like haskell-language-server very much
2022-11-09 15:17:26 +0000 <dminuoso> geekosaur: Nomen est omen? :)
2022-11-09 15:17:27 +0000 <shapr> it's a superpower
2022-11-09 15:17:43 +0000 <geekosaur> p much
2022-11-09 15:18:19 +0000 <dminuoso> Also org-mode is quite handy for keeping track of programming related tasks at work
2022-11-09 15:19:04 +0000 <shapr> I agree
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2022-11-09 15:19:50 +0000 <dminuoso> In fact, org-mode and magit were the primary reasons I switched over from vim.
2022-11-09 15:22:33 +0000 <Heyting> Well, I'm completely new to emacs, but decided to embrace it because above all, it is consistent and can be used for multiple languages
2022-11-09 15:23:12 +0000 <Heyting> What is the difference between lsp-mode and haskell-language-server? As I understand, HLS runs outside of emacs as a server, with which lsp-mode communicates
2022-11-09 15:25:36 +0000 <geekosaur> that, basically
2022-11-09 15:26:07 +0000 <geekosaur> lsp is language server protocol, a common protocol that all langauge IDE interfaces use.
2022-11-09 15:26:19 +0000 <geekosaur> haskell-language-server is a LSP server for Haskell
2022-11-09 15:27:05 +0000 <geekosaur> lsp-mode is a common LSP client for emacs
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2022-11-09 15:28:12 +0000 <geekosaur> so lsp-mode can be used for haskell with hls, for c++ with its server thsat I don't know the name off the top of my head, etc.
2022-11-09 15:29:17 +0000 <geekosaur> neovim has its own interfaces (a simple built-in one and the coc plugin), etc.
2022-11-09 15:30:24 +0000 <geekosaur> vscode has built-in lsp support which works with almost 200 language servers, as I understand it
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2022-11-09 15:30:52 +0000 <geekosaur> (including haskell-language-server)
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2022-11-09 15:31:36 +0000 <Heyting> geekosaur: thanks for the detailed description
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2022-11-09 15:38:20 +0000 <kuribas> Heyting: no lsp-mode, but flycheck
2022-11-09 15:40:18 +0000 <Heyting> Doesn't flycheck also use LSP as its backend?
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2022-11-09 15:45:38 +0000 <kuribas> no
2022-11-09 15:46:17 +0000 <kuribas> well, maybe there exist lsp backends for flycheck
2022-11-09 15:46:28 +0000 <kuribas> But I am using flycheck-haskell
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2022-11-09 15:47:29 +0000 <geekosaur> flycheck poredates lsp, iirc. so it should be able to use ghcid and other backends
2022-11-09 15:47:44 +0000 <geekosaur> or directly stack or cabal
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2022-11-09 15:47:48 +0000 <geekosaur> *predates
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2022-11-09 15:51:28 +0000 <markasoftware> (Also perhaps check out eglot, its a lighter weight plugin than LSP-mode with the same essential features)
2022-11-09 15:52:44 +0000 <dminuoso> It doesnt provide lenses though, if you like those.
2022-11-09 15:52:59 +0000 <dminuoso> (Which I think is one of the most relevant differences between lsp-mode and eglot)
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2022-11-09 16:09:19 +0000 <Heyting> luckily I am a beginner, so lenses are in the far future for me
2022-11-09 16:12:32 +0000stiell(~stiell@gateway/tor-sasl/stiell)
2022-11-09 16:19:11 +0000 <markasoftware> Is there a way to pattern match on the data constructor only, without having to know how many fields it has? I will use accessor functions as necessary in the body of my function
2022-11-09 16:20:13 +0000 <merijn> > case Just True of Just{} -> "yes"
2022-11-09 16:20:15 +0000 <lambdabot> "yes"
2022-11-09 16:20:24 +0000 <markasoftware> nice
2022-11-09 16:20:50 +0000 <merijn> markasoftware: Record syntax with 0 fields is defined to work for any constructor, even if it's not defined as record constructor
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2022-11-09 17:25:10 +0000 <infinity0> haskell-ci gives me this error:
2022-11-09 17:25:11 +0000 <infinity0> rejecting: ghc-8.4.4/installed-8.4.4 (conflict: binary==0.8.9.1, ghc => binary==0.8.5.1/installed-0.8.5.1)
2022-11-09 17:25:31 +0000 <infinity0> in actual fact ghc-8.4.4 depends on binary (>=0.8 && <0.9) so binary==0.8.9.1 should work
2022-11-09 17:25:35 +0000 <infinity0> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-8.4.4
2022-11-09 17:25:40 +0000 <infinity0> how can i override this behaviour?
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2022-11-09 17:26:39 +0000 <tomsmeding> infinity0: does it build locally?
2022-11-09 17:26:57 +0000 <infinity0> yes and on most of the latest ghc versions
2022-11-09 17:27:20 +0000 <tomsmeding> binary is a boot package, and a ghc distribution comes with a particular set of boot libraries that you _must_ use
2022-11-09 17:27:47 +0000 <tomsmeding> though I'm not sure if this also holds for some of the higher level stuff like 'containers'...
2022-11-09 17:28:15 +0000 <infinity0> yes, i'm overriding that with the haskell-ci config option "installed:" this is similar to what the boot packages themselves do
2022-11-09 17:29:01 +0000 <infinity0> it seems cabal/haskell-ci places a further restriction that a boot package must depend on another boot package even if its actual dependency is a wider range of versions
2022-11-09 17:29:09 +0000 <infinity0> i'd guess i can also override this but i don't know how
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2022-11-09 17:29:46 +0000 <geekosaur> I think cabal (not haskell-ci) insists on installed because ghc exposes parts of binary so it has to match the installed one
2022-11-09 17:29:52 +0000 <geekosaur> (see for example hi files)
2022-11-09 17:30:16 +0000 <geekosaur> (also package dbs and a couple of other things)
2022-11-09 17:30:29 +0000 <geekosaur> so they're effectively wired in
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2022-11-09 17:32:21 +0000 <geekosaur> sclv would know more but I'm pretty sure this is unavoidable because the ghc package is built against the wired-in package and it can't be switched later
2022-11-09 17:32:34 +0000 <geekosaur> and you can't rebuild the ghc package without rebuilding the whole of ghc
2022-11-09 17:33:37 +0000 <infinity0> oh right ok
2022-11-09 17:33:55 +0000 <geekosaur> there is some more care taken (and takeable) for things like containers so they can be switched, and cabal knows about that
2022-11-09 17:36:04 +0000 <AndreasK> Yes if you depend on the ghc package you have to use the versions of libraries ghc is built against. That should also be true for containers.
2022-11-09 17:36:15 +0000 <tomsmeding> geekosaur: I know of this list of boot libraries ( https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/wikis/commentary/libraries/version-history ), but is there also a list of libraries with wired-in versoins like discussed here? i.e. that would include 'binary' but not 'containers'
2022-11-09 17:36:43 +0000 <geekosaur> well, AndreasK just said containers is wired-in too, so there may be no separate list 😞
2022-11-09 17:36:55 +0000 <tomsmeding> right :)
2022-11-09 17:37:15 +0000 <AndreasK> wired-in in ghc terms is a different thing from ghc being built against it
2022-11-09 17:37:16 +0000 <geekosaur> I had understood that containers was carefully kept swappable, but apparently not if you use ghc-lib
2022-11-09 17:37:18 +0000 <tomsmeding> so then what libraries count as "depending on ghc" here? ghc itself, presumably, as well as I guess ghc-prim and friends; any more?
2022-11-09 17:37:24 +0000 <AndreasK> But for a user its all the same
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2022-11-09 17:37:56 +0000 <geekosaur> yeh, I'm being loose with my terminology ecause end users don't care
2022-11-09 17:38:09 +0000 <geekosaur> and ot gets the point across
2022-11-09 17:38:12 +0000 <geekosaur> *it
2022-11-09 17:38:17 +0000 <tomsmeding> (i.e. which libraries must I not depend on in order to keep binary/containers/... swappable)
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2022-11-09 17:38:39 +0000 <geekosaur> I think only ghc. ghc-prim is too low level to affect this
2022-11-09 17:38:57 +0000 <infinity0> is it possible to use a newer base package?
2022-11-09 17:39:06 +0000 <tomsmeding> no
2022-11-09 17:39:08 +0000 <geekosaur> no, that's really wired in
2022-11-09 17:39:15 +0000 <AndreasK> tomsmeding: I think you only run into this if you depend on the "ghc" package (directly or transitively)
2022-11-09 17:39:21 +0000 <tomsmeding> AndreasK: I see, thanks!
2022-11-09 17:39:33 +0000 <geekosaur> as in the compiler knows the names/addresses of thoings from base and will break badly if you attempt to use a different build even of the same version
2022-11-09 17:39:47 +0000 <infinity0> ah ok
2022-11-09 17:40:04 +0000 <geekosaur> (for example guards know the address of "True")
2022-11-09 17:40:15 +0000 <infinity0> ok what i'm trying to achieve is probably impossible then, luckily it only affects the tests because they depend on ghc-heap-view for older ghc
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2022-11-09 17:43:25 +0000 <AndreasK> infinity0: What are you trying to do?
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2022-11-09 17:44:59 +0000 <EvanR> &TRUE, error not an lvalue
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2022-11-09 17:45:35 +0000 <infinity0> i have a package that builds on top of containers & vector, trying to update it to newer versions than exist in older GHCs
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2022-11-09 17:45:46 +0000 <infinity0> the package itself is fine on those older GHCs, the test dependencies are giving trouble
2022-11-09 17:45:54 +0000 <infinity0> it's fine, i have a solution, just disable the tests
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2022-11-09 17:57:54 +0000 <AndreasK> infinity0: Does the code actually breake when you allow newer versions?
2022-11-09 17:58:04 +0000 <AndreasK> *break
2022-11-09 17:58:25 +0000 <infinity0> as discussed above, i can't allow the newer versions
2022-11-09 17:58:52 +0000 <AndreasK> annoying
2022-11-09 17:59:37 +0000 <infinity0> for containers and vector it's possible to allow newer versions, that's all fine
2022-11-09 18:00:09 +0000 <infinity0> they themselves have to do that in their own package, for example
2022-11-09 18:02:05 +0000 <AndreasK> Locally --allow-newer as argument to cabal should work. Doesn't really solve it for users though
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2022-11-09 18:21:47 +0000 <lyxia> Does a constructor with a bunch of {-# UNPACK #-} !Word8 consume one byte per field or one word per field?
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2022-11-09 18:23:17 +0000 <geekosaur> which ghc version? but I suspect it's a word even in 9.2+
2022-11-09 18:24:23 +0000 <lyxia> yeah say 9.4
2022-11-09 18:25:05 +0000 <geekosaur> I say that because the whole size issue happened relatively quickly, but changing stuff like this would require a lot of work on the gc
2022-11-09 18:26:36 +0000 <geekosaur> that said, this is probably a #ghc question if you want the real story
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2022-11-09 18:27:49 +0000 <AndreasK> lyxia: One byte per field
2022-11-09 18:28:20 +0000 <geekosaur> interesting
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2022-11-09 18:29:11 +0000 <AndreasK> iirc michael terepeta changed that some time ago
2022-11-09 18:30:26 +0000 <AndreasK> geekosaur: The issue was that Int8 used to be implemented as I8# Int# so you had no benefit.
2022-11-09 18:30:46 +0000 <AndreasK> geekosaur: Now that Int8# is defined as I8# Int8# we get the packing
2022-11-09 18:31:00 +0000 <AndreasK> iirc the packing has been implemented for quite some time. He told me about it at zurihac pre-covid
2022-11-09 18:31:19 +0000 <geekosaur> oh
2022-11-09 18:31:19 +0000 <AndreasK> But the Int8 change I think was only in 9.2
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2022-11-09 19:00:49 +0000 <EvanR> Int8# actually takes up only 8bits? Or is that just when packed
2022-11-09 19:00:59 +0000 <EvanR> I guess that's tautological
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2022-11-09 19:03:39 +0000 <lyxia> Thanks!
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2022-11-09 19:16:35 +0000 <dminuoso> EvanR: technically that question is separate, but curiously related.
2022-11-09 19:17:02 +0000 <dminuoso> So before 9.0 we had Int8# too, but it was both unusable and b) mapped to Int# at the end anyway
2022-11-09 19:18:56 +0000 <EvanR> "unusable" ?
2022-11-09 19:19:05 +0000 <dminuoso> Virtually no primops existed to consume them
2022-11-09 19:19:32 +0000 <dminuoso> It was just internal stuff from old extensions if I correctly recall my previous discussion with AndreasK
2022-11-09 19:21:02 +0000 <AndreasK> More or less
2022-11-09 19:22:03 +0000 <dminuoso> In the current GHC we actually track the width until CMM, but I think on x86 this has no relevance since you cannot rename subregisters
2022-11-09 19:22:12 +0000 <dminuoso> Not sure about other architectures
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2022-11-09 19:24:02 +0000 <geekosaur> wasn't the whole length thing in 9.2+ because of apple's variant aarch64 abi?
2022-11-09 19:24:18 +0000 <dminuoso> Well I guess it does positively impact code size as well, if we can emit machine code to use AX or AL
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2022-11-09 19:26:18 +0000 <AndreasK> Afaik the smallest encodings on x86-64 tend to be 32-bit ones and you run into issues with partial register stalls
2022-11-09 19:26:41 +0000 <AndreasK> Operating on 8 bit values isn't great. But for data structures and such it's beneficial
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2022-11-09 20:18:57 +0000 <probie> Re: 8-bit Word8 and Int8. It came in 9.2. I remember because it immediately exposed a bug with the native code gen for arm
2022-11-09 20:19:20 +0000 <probie> s/9.2/9.4/
2022-11-09 20:20:44 +0000 <probie> https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/issues/22282
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2022-11-09 20:40:53 +0000 <EvanR> "Angermann" is such a great person to respond to stuff like this
2022-11-09 20:41:31 +0000 <EvanR> ghc generates broken code, this is a job for anger man
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2022-11-09 20:58:50 +0000 <AndreasK> haha
2022-11-09 21:00:39 +0000 <geekosaur> I've had that thought more than a few times myself
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