2022/10/26

2022-10-26 00:00:12 +0200dfee(~dfee@162-227-164-101.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net)
2022-10-26 00:00:31 +0200 <dfee> how accurate are download counts on hackage?
2022-10-26 00:02:07 +0200ajb(~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca)
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2022-10-26 00:05:36 +0200 <geekosaur> not sure "accurate" is meaningful without other information (like, is it per month or what?)
2022-10-26 00:05:55 +0200ajb(~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca)
2022-10-26 00:06:14 +0200 <geekosaur> not information from you, to be clear. I'm not sure it's even meaningful much less accurate…
2022-10-26 00:06:56 +0200 <geekosaur> might be a question for #haskell-infrastructure, I think (#hackage is more for the cabal side of it)
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2022-10-26 00:07:07 +0200 <dfee> i'm trying to understand the size of the haskell community. i see that the most popular package is `aeson` and it has 1314 downloads in the last 30 days.
2022-10-26 00:08:14 +0200 <geekosaur> well, it's not the largest community out there. and download counts will be fuzzed by caching (possibly including server side)
2022-10-26 00:08:55 +0200ajb(~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca) (Client Quit)
2022-10-26 00:09:15 +0200 <geekosaur> that said, aeson is pretty commonly used, but only by programs for web dev. there's more than that out there, and in fact I've never written a web server or client in haskell
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2022-10-26 00:09:26 +0200 <dfee> i don't know too much about haskell – though i like the FP nature of it – but am kinda wondering if i should build a product in it, or dedicate that time to another language; e.g. scala or rust.
2022-10-26 00:09:56 +0200beteigeuze(~Thunderbi@bl14-81-220.dsl.telepac.pt)
2022-10-26 00:10:07 +0200 <dfee> most of the work i do is web dev. a lot of python, java, typescript (node and web), etc.
2022-10-26 00:10:14 +0200adanwan(~adanwan@gateway/tor-sasl/adanwan)
2022-10-26 00:11:51 +0200 <dfee> a fairly typical web dev concept is GraphQL; this is a sort of bellwether for $webdev in any language. but it's surprising that Haskell doesn't have a very strong/straightforward story here.
2022-10-26 00:12:47 +0200 <dfee> i've identified both morpheus and mu-haskell, but haven't found significant buy-in anywhere i've looked (e.g. r/haskell or HN)
2022-10-26 00:13:23 +0200 <dfee> but as to "why haskell?", there's something about it that just feels... kinda beautiful.
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2022-10-26 00:40:32 +0200 <sm> isn't there a bunch of graphql stuff in haskell ?
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2022-10-26 00:41:12 +0200 <sm> https://hasura.io being the most prominent
2022-10-26 00:42:23 +0200 <sm> ah, you found two. If it's not straightforward, that would certainly be not too unusual
2022-10-26 00:42:46 +0200dkeohane(~dkeohane@csm-wl-dhcp-207-224.mines.edu) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2022-10-26 00:43:40 +0200merijn(~merijn@c-001-001-002.client.esciencecenter.eduvpn.nl)
2022-10-26 00:45:13 +0200 <sm> straightfoward is not always our forté..
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2022-10-26 00:54:56 +0200jmorris(uid537181@id-537181.uxbridge.irccloud.com)
2022-10-26 00:55:48 +0200 <dfee> sm my concern with hasura is that it's almost to much of a behemoth. maybe that's a good thing (i should think), but my concern is that i'm not starting with my project in mind.
2022-10-26 00:55:54 +0200 <dfee> *"product" in mind
2022-10-26 00:57:00 +0200 <dfee> alas, sm another question for you – how did you get started. i've been reading "from first principles", and it's been generally good, but i'm not really doing anything of merit. i need to get my hands dirty *and* read that book.
2022-10-26 00:57:45 +0200 <dfee> to be honest, i think the "quickstart" of haskell leaves some confusion. there's stack, cabal, nix, etc. where should i even start?
2022-10-26 01:01:21 +0200 <sm> dfee, you're not alone, it's a daily FAQ. Recently community consensus and haskell.org's download page have converged on ghcup, check that
2022-10-26 01:01:42 +0200 <sm> previously, and even still today, "just stack" is also a fine answer
2022-10-26 01:01:53 +0200ajb(~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca)
2022-10-26 01:02:22 +0200 <dfee> + bazel, as i saw tweag had an article on it the other day: https://www.tweag.io/blog/2022-10-20-bazel-example-servant-elm-1/
2022-10-26 01:02:38 +0200 <sm> I forget what resources worked for me, it took time and several attempts. Tons more resources now, eg
2022-10-26 01:02:38 +0200 <sm> @where books
2022-10-26 01:02:38 +0200 <lambdabot> See `LYAH',`RWH',`YAHT',`SOE',`HR',`PIH',`TFwH',`wikibook',`PCPH',`HPFFP',`FSAF',`HftVB',`HTAC',`TwT',`FoP',`PFAD',`WYAH',`non-haskell-books'. Also https://www.extrema.is/articles/haskell-books,
2022-10-26 01:02:38 +0200 <lambdabot> https://www.vex.net/~trebla/haskell/learn-sources
2022-10-26 01:02:45 +0200 <sm> @where links
2022-10-26 01:02:45 +0200 <lambdabot> https://haskell-links.org collected Haskell links and search tools, including @where links
2022-10-26 01:04:54 +0200ajb(~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca) (Quit: bye)
2022-10-26 01:08:53 +0200 <sm> well, among other things I read all manuals and survival guides for ghc, ghc-pkg, cabal, stack, .... which maybe wasn't quick but certainly helped
2022-10-26 01:09:11 +0200ubert1(~Thunderbi@77.119.201.227.wireless.dyn.drei.com)
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2022-10-26 01:11:20 +0200 <sm> lots of ways to get your hands dirty, depending on what you want to master
2022-10-26 01:11:37 +0200mncheck(~mncheck@193.224.205.254) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-10-26 01:12:48 +0200 <sm> "building random haskell sh*t" is a good one
2022-10-26 01:16:31 +0200 <Axman6> dfee: I would strongly recommend against deciding on Scala above Haskell, I've been using it in my dfay job and I've been shocked how awful it is as a language. They've somehow managed tot ake all the worst parts of Java and Haskell, and glue them together in ways that feel completely inconsistent. I'm so strongly convinced it's an awful choice that I've updated my linkedin profile to specifically tell recruiters to not bother me with Scala jobs. Haskell is a
2022-10-26 01:16:31 +0200 <Axman6> simepl language, with unlimited abstraction; Scala is a language you're always having tofight to get it to do what should be simple.
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2022-10-26 01:18:10 +0200freeside(~mengwong@103.252.202.193)
2022-10-26 01:18:12 +0200 <sm> go and rust are both nice for a little contrast to complement haskell
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2022-10-26 01:19:08 +0200 <Axman6> dfee: Hasura provides one of the best GraphQL servers around, which can sit in front of several RDBMSs, all written in Haskell. I'm not sure what the client side of GraphQL looks like, but I'm sure there must be a few options
2022-10-26 01:19:22 +0200ajb(~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca)
2022-10-26 01:20:07 +0200 <Axman6> sm: eh, Rust is fine, but Go has always felt like it was intentionally designed to be insulting to software engineers; "You're too dumb to use the 'advanced' features like Generics, or concurrency in any other form than the one we think is cute"
2022-10-26 01:20:28 +0200eggplantade(~Eggplanta@2600:1700:38c5:d800:5107:bda4:d7f3:6fa)
2022-10-26 01:21:01 +0200 <sm> Axman6: I hear you, but I spent some time with it the other day, and dropped that mindset; it's not competing with haskell/rust, it's more like a really great scripting language
2022-10-26 01:21:16 +0200 <sm> with strengths of its own, like being straightforward
2022-10-26 01:21:16 +0200 <hpc> a compiled scripting language?
2022-10-26 01:21:21 +0200 <sm> yup
2022-10-26 01:21:59 +0200 <jackdk> It seems to attract a lot of people who became fed up with Python for various reasons
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2022-10-26 01:25:34 +0200 <Axman6> I struggle to see it as a better python too, python provides much more to the developer, and the benefits of faster execution really don't outweigh the costs of having to copy and paste the same code again and again because 'developers are too dumb to need abstraction'
2022-10-26 01:26:15 +0200 <sm> go's much better at packaging/cross compilation/easy deployment I'd say
2022-10-26 01:26:25 +0200 <hpc> go has since added templating
2022-10-26 01:26:51 +0200 <hpc> i guess developers are too stupid for java-style generics, but they are smart enough for c++ style templating?
2022-10-26 01:27:06 +0200 <Axman6> which is notiously simple...
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2022-10-26 01:28:35 +0200 <hpc> although, maybe the trend isn't to go from python to a language that lets them do more, but the opposite
2022-10-26 01:28:41 +0200 <sm> go is limiting but the strong KISS aesthetic is a refreshing feature
2022-10-26 01:29:07 +0200 <hpc> because if you look back instead, the migration to python was from perl, which is one of the most expressive languages ever
2022-10-26 01:29:43 +0200 <hpc> maybe people really do just want to phone it in for $300k+options
2022-10-26 01:29:52 +0200 <geekosaur> sm, imo you just explained why it's a replacement for python 🙂
2022-10-26 01:31:11 +0200 <dolio> I don't think I'd really describe perl as very expressive.
2022-10-26 01:31:37 +0200albet70(~xxx@2400:8902::f03c:92ff:fe60:98d8)
2022-10-26 01:33:12 +0200 <dolio> It might be very concise for certain jobs, but it's not great at various things outside those jobs.
2022-10-26 01:33:40 +0200bitdex(~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex)
2022-10-26 01:33:47 +0200 <hpc> it has first-class functions, a better version of python's f-strings, a flexible function calling syntax with named arguments, varargs, and all sorts of things
2022-10-26 01:33:59 +0200 <hpc> cpan was the first language-specific package manager
2022-10-26 01:34:32 +0200 <Axman6> I listened to a podcast recently about cpan and it being the origin of package management
2022-10-26 01:34:36 +0200 <hpc> all sorts of array slice syntax, the best string manipulation syntax of any language even to date
2022-10-26 01:35:00 +0200 <geekosaur> I'd argue about that, actually
2022-10-26 01:35:02 +0200 <hpc> it has the easiest way to execute other commands
2022-10-26 01:35:08 +0200smtoo, nice history
2022-10-26 01:35:25 +0200 <hpc> all of this back in the early 90s
2022-10-26 01:35:31 +0200 <geekosaur> snobol/icon has as good string manipulation and it's way more readable
2022-10-26 01:35:42 +0200 <dolio> I had to implement Turing machines in perl, and I had to fake multi-dimensional arrays as map lookups of strings "$i,$j".
2022-10-26 01:35:45 +0200 <sm> CPAN has no central package repository, right ?
2022-10-26 01:35:48 +0200 <geekosaur> and I say this as someone who loved perl
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2022-10-26 01:36:37 +0200 <hpc> dolio: whaaaaaaat? perl totally could do that
2022-10-26 01:37:49 +0200 <hpc> you can literally write $foo = [[1, 2, 3], [4, 5, 6]];
2022-10-26 01:38:03 +0200freeside(~mengwong@103.252.202.193)
2022-10-26 01:38:18 +0200 <hpc> $foo[1][2] == 6
2022-10-26 01:41:49 +0200 <jackdk> Axman6: Python is a very difficult language for me to understand, because I have to imagine "how would a rushed C programmer implement this?" to predict the behaviour of its runtime. Only then does its scoping rules, mutable default arguments, etc make sense to me.
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2022-10-26 01:46:28 +0200 <yushyin> hpc: afair this only works since perl5, if dolio meant perl<5, it probably didn't work yet
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2022-10-26 01:46:47 +0200 <dolio> I don't really recall.
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2022-10-26 01:48:13 +0200 <monochrom> hpc: In "$foo = [[1, 2, 3], [4, 5, 6]];", should it really be $? @?
2022-10-26 01:48:26 +0200 <monochrom> which is my beef with Perl.
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2022-10-26 01:49:42 +0200 <jackdk> I think that sets `$foo` to an array reference, which is a scalar value
2022-10-26 01:49:49 +0200 <jackdk> but I haven't written any perl for a long long time
2022-10-26 01:50:20 +0200 <Axman6> The only perl I ever wrote was an irssi plugin... I think it was to share what you were listenting to in iTunes, when that was a thing people did
2022-10-26 01:50:31 +0200 <Axman6> might have been a system info thing actually
2022-10-26 01:51:55 +0200 <Axman6> ah, it was a Growl notification thing (the precursor to proper notification on Mac OS X - someone stuck it on github ten years ago: https://github.com/kfdm/irssi-growl)
2022-10-26 01:52:13 +0200 <hpc> jackdk is right
2022-10-26 01:52:26 +0200 <geekosaur[m]> Right, for that it would have needed to be $foo->[1][2]
2022-10-26 01:52:29 +0200 <yushyin> $ is correct, it's a arrayref of arrayrefs. but you need $foo->[1][2]
2022-10-26 01:52:55 +0200 <hpc> ah, right
2022-10-26 01:53:07 +0200 <monochrom> SML's "foo = ref [[1,2,3], [4,5,6]]" would be much clearer.
2022-10-26 01:53:14 +0200 <hpc> also, () denotes arrays/hashes, and []/{} denote references to arrays/hashes
2022-10-26 01:53:35 +0200 <geekosaur[m]> Biggest problem with perl
2022-10-26 01:53:37 +0200 <hpc> because of list flattening
2022-10-26 01:53:46 +0200 <monochrom> So basically although Perl is unambiguous, it requires the reader to reverse engineer "how can $ make sense in this context?".
2022-10-26 01:54:11 +0200 <yushyin> () denotes 'lists'
2022-10-26 01:54:25 +0200 <hpc> it's like pointers
2022-10-26 01:54:38 +0200 <hpc> (for better and worse)
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2022-10-26 01:56:21 +0200 <monochrom> No. It's like I don't tell you I'm 53 years old, I tell you my age mod 3 is 2, my age mod 5 is 3, my age mod 7 is 4, and I'm under 104.
2022-10-26 01:58:00 +0200 <monochrom> It's like I don't use ADTs, I turn on RankNTypes and use System F and Church encoding all the time.
2022-10-26 01:58:42 +0200 <monochrom> It's like I load an always-on ROT13 plugin into my IRC client.
2022-10-26 01:59:06 +0200 <hpc> it's like they're not even monoids in the category of endofunctors, they're actually monads in the 2-category of monads
2022-10-26 01:59:49 +0200 <dolio> You've got to use ADTs to define the non-strictly positive types that allow asymptotically more efficient operations on Church encodings. :þ
2022-10-26 02:00:48 +0200 <dolio> But only for those.
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2022-10-26 02:40:46 +0200 <zzz> how can we check if a project has unused or redundant imports?
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2022-10-26 02:42:24 +0200 <zzz> i kind of remember doing this in the past
2022-10-26 02:42:47 +0200 <geekosaur> ghc -Wunused-imports
2022-10-26 02:43:17 +0200 <geekosaur> maybe -Wdodgy-imports
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2022-10-26 02:44:44 +0200 <geekosaur> no, not the "dodgy" one
2022-10-26 02:45:13 +0200 <zzz> where do i run that command?
2022-10-26 02:45:37 +0200 <zzz> i have a cabal project
2022-10-26 02:45:51 +0200 <geekosaur> you probably just do "ghc-options: -Wunused-imports"
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2022-10-26 02:46:19 +0200 <zzz> of course
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2022-10-26 05:58:30 +0200 <c_wraith> monochrom: I thought there were some perl constructs that are ambiguous statically - you have to run the program to parse them correctly.
2022-10-26 06:02:15 +0200 <c_wraith> oh. 4 hours late to the conversation. whatever.
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2022-10-26 06:06:19 +0200 <jackdk> c_wraith: https://perlmonks.org/?node_id=663393
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2022-10-26 19:19:00 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> is PatternGuards Haskell98 ?
2022-10-26 19:19:00 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/pattern_guards.html only mentions the negative version and claims it's Haskell98 but clicking on Haskell98 shows a list missing PatternGuards, it's included in -fglasgow-exts which would suggest not?
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2022-10-26 19:21:12 +0200 <c_wraith> I don't think it was. But I do think it's Haskell2010. (my memory is not reliable on these details, but they are what I remember)
2022-10-26 19:23:07 +0200redmp(~redmp@eduroam-169-233-179-23.ucsc.edu)
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2022-10-26 19:24:17 +0200 <c_wraith> testing with ghci... pattern guards work without warning with -XHaskell2010, but trigger a warning (and yet still work) with -XHaskell98
2022-10-26 19:24:47 +0200 <c_wraith> So I'd say that ghc accepts them but tells you it's not supposed to, with -XHaskell98
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2022-10-26 19:26:40 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> weird, I can define `f !x = x`, and get a warning not an error, but can't invoke it: `Variable not in scope: f :: t0 -> t`
2022-10-26 19:29:05 +0200 <[exa]> alexfmpe[m]: depending on the extensions you might be defining (!)
2022-10-26 19:29:28 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> oh heh lemme see
2022-10-26 19:29:34 +0200 <[exa]> do you have BangPatterns?
2022-10-26 19:30:28 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> riiight, the warning is actually "missing-space-after-bang"
2022-10-26 19:30:29 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> Did you forget to enable BangPatterns?
2022-10-26 19:30:29 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> If you mean to bind (!) then perhaps you want
2022-10-26 19:30:29 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> to add a space after the bang for clarity.
2022-10-26 19:30:58 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> > 1 ! 2
2022-10-26 19:30:58 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> 2
2022-10-26 19:31:00 +0200 <lambdabot> error:
2022-10-26 19:31:00 +0200 <lambdabot> • Could not deduce (Ix i0)
2022-10-26 19:31:00 +0200 <lambdabot> from the context: (Ix i, Num i, Num (Array i e))
2022-10-26 19:31:49 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> ok so it looks like bangpatterns are not haskell98, and that particular doc is wrong
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2022-10-26 19:32:27 +0200 <tomsmeding> alexfmpe[m]: bangpatterns is not even Haskell2010, it's a ghc extension
2022-10-26 19:33:18 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> oh wth
2022-10-26 19:33:36 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> I got BangPatterns and PatternGuards all mixed up
2022-10-26 19:33:44 +0200 <tomsmeding> those are not the same thing ;)
2022-10-26 19:33:57 +0200 <[Leary]> alexfmpe[m]: That link isn't saying PatternGuards is in Haskell98, it's saying NoPatternGuards is. That's the answer to your question. Re BangPatterns ... Well, they're GHC2021.
2022-10-26 19:34:02 +0200 <tomsmeding> pattern guards is `f | Just x <- something = another x`
2022-10-26 19:34:32 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> ok yeah I was just confused
2022-10-26 19:34:34 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/strict.html#bang-patterns-informal
2022-10-26 19:34:50 +0200 <alexfmpe[m]> indeed, not even haskell2010, only ghc2021
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2022-10-26 19:51:25 +0200 <zzz> is there a better way of avoiding ambiguous fromList than qualifying imports?
2022-10-26 19:52:25 +0200 <[exa]> unlikely
2022-10-26 19:52:53 +0200coot(~coot@213.134.171.3)
2022-10-26 19:53:11 +0200 <[exa]> ..mmmmmmaybe someone made a typeclass from all stuff that can be built from a list...
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2022-10-26 19:53:39 +0200 <[exa]> and yeah, there's one right here https://hackage.haskell.org/package/universum-1.8.1/docs/Universum-Container.html#t:FromList
2022-10-26 19:54:30 +0200 <[Leary]> There's also Unfoldable.
2022-10-26 19:54:34 +0200 <tomsmeding> 'universum' kinda sounds like 'acme-everything', and that class sounds super prone to pulling in tons of deps just to provide instances
2022-10-26 19:55:02 +0200 <tomsmeding> though I see they were restrained in that, which is good
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2022-10-26 20:04:57 +0200 <[Leary]> Actually, I'm not so sure that class even ultimately enables a fromList; I was going off the name alone---since Foldable is pretty much the `toList` class.
2022-10-26 20:06:35 +0200 <yrlnry> Hi folks. I am modifying a fairly complex Stack `package.yaml` file. I want to have a `when:` block to select the array of GHC options, as in https://pastebin.com/GaXzX0Nr . This works, but the two lists of options have substantial overlap that I would like to eliminate.
2022-10-26 20:07:08 +0200axeman(~quassel@2a02:8109:a380:78:dc7a:6733:90cc:b8cc)
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2022-10-26 20:07:22 +0200 <yrlnry> I have learned that there is no YAML standard feature for merging two arrays, but that this is sometimes supported by individual YAML processors. Is there anything like this in the YAML processor used by Stack, which I think is Data.YAML?
2022-10-26 20:07:22 +0200 <sm> yrlnry: can you just declare the common options at top level ?
2022-10-26 20:07:23 +0200briandaed(~briandaed@185.234.210.211.r.toneticgroup.pl)
2022-10-26 20:07:51 +0200 <yrlnry> I may be mistaken, but I think that when I do that, the `ghc-options` in the `when` block overrides the definition at the top level.
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2022-10-26 20:08:36 +0200 <sm> I expect so.. but that's ok ? declare common/default options at top, and override as necessary in when: ?
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2022-10-26 20:09:09 +0200 <yrlnry> How would I do that?
2022-10-26 20:09:37 +0200 <yrlnry> (At present I only know how to override the entire list of strings.)
2022-10-26 20:10:39 +0200 <sm> ghc-options:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/4330b2797e83bcdd5cd54bc0ea0fb88e1ee8…>)
2022-10-26 20:10:49 +0200 <sm> * ```... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/dc4f93730a76dfcb00589b66c2f60940b838…>)
2022-10-26 20:11:06 +0200 <sm> * ```... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fc5558e62f359918c4918f58bbb243e9ecb8…>)
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2022-10-26 20:11:20 +0200 <yrlnry> If I do that, then when the condition is true, I get `-some-option` _only_, I think.
2022-10-26 20:11:31 +0200 <sm> * ```... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/09753f23f2958bf3f0129bdbaf080bff8d6d…>)
2022-10-26 20:11:53 +0200 <sm> multiple ghc-options: are additive I think
2022-10-26 20:12:38 +0200 <yrlnry> I can give it another try. Let me see if I can come up with a specific problem case.
2022-10-26 20:12:58 +0200 <sm> or look at a bunch of package yamls, I bet you'll see this pattern quickly
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2022-10-26 20:13:25 +0200 <yrlnry> I have not been able to find any examples that do anything similar to what I am trying to do. Can you suggest one?
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2022-10-26 20:15:01 +0200 <sm> excerpt from hledger/package.yaml:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/e15f63088b7396516713ec1b6ec038e41524…>)
2022-10-26 20:15:19 +0200 <yrlnry> Yes, you're right, it is merging the `ghc-options` lists.
2022-10-26 20:15:26 +0200 <yrlnry> I wonder why IO thought it wasn't?
2022-10-26 20:15:56 +0200 <yrlnry> Is there a way to get Stack to dump out its final configuration after processing the `package.yaml` file?
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2022-10-26 20:16:36 +0200 <sm> certain flags might be mutually exclusive to ghc, even if merged by hpack
2022-10-26 20:17:05 +0200 <sm> I think a quick way is `stack build -v ...` and look at the command line generated
2022-10-26 20:19:50 +0200 <yrlnry> I see now why I thought it wasn't merging. The top-level `ghc-options` has `-Wno-missing-safe-haskell-mode` but with my when-block in place I get many errors pertaining to error: `[-Wmissing-safe-haskell-mode, -Werror=missing-safe-haskell-mode]`
2022-10-26 20:19:51 +0200 <sm> re your original q, yes it is possible to use yaml's include feature (see hpack docs), but seems overkill here
2022-10-26 20:20:40 +0200glguy(~glguy@libera/staff-emeritus/glguy)
2022-10-26 20:23:07 +0200 <yrlnry> It supports include, but I'm not sure it does what I want. I have only seen `!include` used in conjunction with `<<:`. But `<<:` only works with dictionaries, there is nothing like it for sequences.
2022-10-26 20:23:31 +0200 <sm[i]> ok
2022-10-26 20:24:36 +0200 <sm[i]> sorry for all the paste links, I forgot I was in #haskell not #Haskell
2022-10-26 20:25:07 +0200 <yrlnry> I can find API documentation for Data.Yaml but not anything describing what it actually parses. (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/yaml-0.11.8.0/docs/Data-Yaml.html )
2022-10-26 20:25:19 +0200 <yrlnry> No problem, I appreciate you taking the time to help me.
2022-10-26 20:27:27 +0200 <yrlnry> I think your pointing out that the `ghc-options` sections are actually merged is enough to solve my problem. Thanks very much.
2022-10-26 20:28:04 +0200 <sm> np
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2022-10-26 22:20:13 +0200 <habib> hey, does anyone know if ghcup installs man pages? it claims to on the user-guide, but i can't see them on my system
2022-10-26 22:20:24 +0200 <habib> i've made sure MANPATH is empty when installing ghc with ghcup
2022-10-26 22:20:34 +0200 <habib> i can't see any manpages in the share directory of where the ghc is installed
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2022-10-26 22:47:01 +0200 <sm> habib: #haskell-ghcup will know
2022-10-26 22:47:57 +0200 <habib> ah, i searched for ghcup in the channels list and got zero results; i've literally just finished opening an issue on the issue tracker
2022-10-26 22:48:05 +0200 <habib> https://gitlab.haskell.org/haskell/ghcup-hs/-/issues/425
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2022-10-26 22:48:46 +0200 <sm> 👍️
2022-10-26 22:48:55 +0200 <habib> appreciate you posting the channel; i'll check it out tomorrow if the issue gets no response
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