2022-10-26 00:00:12 +0200 | dfee | (~dfee@162-227-164-101.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) |
2022-10-26 00:00:31 +0200 | <dfee> | how accurate are download counts on hackage? |
2022-10-26 00:02:07 +0200 | ajb | (~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca) |
2022-10-26 00:04:30 +0200 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
2022-10-26 00:05:02 +0200 | ajb | (~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca) (Client Quit) |
2022-10-26 00:05:36 +0200 | <geekosaur> | not sure "accurate" is meaningful without other information (like, is it per month or what?) |
2022-10-26 00:05:55 +0200 | ajb | (~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca) |
2022-10-26 00:06:14 +0200 | <geekosaur> | not information from you, to be clear. I'm not sure it's even meaningful much less accurate… |
2022-10-26 00:06:56 +0200 | <geekosaur> | might be a question for #haskell-infrastructure, I think (#hackage is more for the cabal side of it) |
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2022-10-26 00:07:07 +0200 | <dfee> | i'm trying to understand the size of the haskell community. i see that the most popular package is `aeson` and it has 1314 downloads in the last 30 days. |
2022-10-26 00:08:14 +0200 | <geekosaur> | well, it's not the largest community out there. and download counts will be fuzzed by caching (possibly including server side) |
2022-10-26 00:08:55 +0200 | ajb | (~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca) (Client Quit) |
2022-10-26 00:09:15 +0200 | <geekosaur> | that said, aeson is pretty commonly used, but only by programs for web dev. there's more than that out there, and in fact I've never written a web server or client in haskell |
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2022-10-26 00:09:26 +0200 | <dfee> | i don't know too much about haskell – though i like the FP nature of it – but am kinda wondering if i should build a product in it, or dedicate that time to another language; e.g. scala or rust. |
2022-10-26 00:09:56 +0200 | beteigeuze | (~Thunderbi@bl14-81-220.dsl.telepac.pt) |
2022-10-26 00:10:07 +0200 | <dfee> | most of the work i do is web dev. a lot of python, java, typescript (node and web), etc. |
2022-10-26 00:10:14 +0200 | adanwan | (~adanwan@gateway/tor-sasl/adanwan) |
2022-10-26 00:11:51 +0200 | <dfee> | a fairly typical web dev concept is GraphQL; this is a sort of bellwether for $webdev in any language. but it's surprising that Haskell doesn't have a very strong/straightforward story here. |
2022-10-26 00:12:47 +0200 | <dfee> | i've identified both morpheus and mu-haskell, but haven't found significant buy-in anywhere i've looked (e.g. r/haskell or HN) |
2022-10-26 00:13:23 +0200 | <dfee> | but as to "why haskell?", there's something about it that just feels... kinda beautiful. |
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2022-10-26 00:40:32 +0200 | <sm> | isn't there a bunch of graphql stuff in haskell ? |
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2022-10-26 00:41:12 +0200 | <sm> | https://hasura.io being the most prominent |
2022-10-26 00:42:23 +0200 | <sm> | ah, you found two. If it's not straightforward, that would certainly be not too unusual |
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2022-10-26 00:43:40 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@c-001-001-002.client.esciencecenter.eduvpn.nl) |
2022-10-26 00:45:13 +0200 | <sm> | straightfoward is not always our forté.. |
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2022-10-26 00:55:48 +0200 | <dfee> | sm my concern with hasura is that it's almost to much of a behemoth. maybe that's a good thing (i should think), but my concern is that i'm not starting with my project in mind. |
2022-10-26 00:55:54 +0200 | <dfee> | *"product" in mind |
2022-10-26 00:57:00 +0200 | <dfee> | alas, sm another question for you – how did you get started. i've been reading "from first principles", and it's been generally good, but i'm not really doing anything of merit. i need to get my hands dirty *and* read that book. |
2022-10-26 00:57:45 +0200 | <dfee> | to be honest, i think the "quickstart" of haskell leaves some confusion. there's stack, cabal, nix, etc. where should i even start? |
2022-10-26 01:01:21 +0200 | <sm> | dfee, you're not alone, it's a daily FAQ. Recently community consensus and haskell.org's download page have converged on ghcup, check that |
2022-10-26 01:01:42 +0200 | <sm> | previously, and even still today, "just stack" is also a fine answer |
2022-10-26 01:01:53 +0200 | ajb | (~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca) |
2022-10-26 01:02:22 +0200 | <dfee> | + bazel, as i saw tweag had an article on it the other day: https://www.tweag.io/blog/2022-10-20-bazel-example-servant-elm-1/ |
2022-10-26 01:02:38 +0200 | <sm> | I forget what resources worked for me, it took time and several attempts. Tons more resources now, eg |
2022-10-26 01:02:38 +0200 | <sm> | @where books |
2022-10-26 01:02:38 +0200 | <lambdabot> | See `LYAH',`RWH',`YAHT',`SOE',`HR',`PIH',`TFwH',`wikibook',`PCPH',`HPFFP',`FSAF',`HftVB',`HTAC',`TwT',`FoP',`PFAD',`WYAH',`non-haskell-books'. Also https://www.extrema.is/articles/haskell-books, |
2022-10-26 01:02:38 +0200 | <lambdabot> | https://www.vex.net/~trebla/haskell/learn-sources |
2022-10-26 01:02:45 +0200 | <sm> | @where links |
2022-10-26 01:02:45 +0200 | <lambdabot> | https://haskell-links.org collected Haskell links and search tools, including @where links |
2022-10-26 01:04:54 +0200 | ajb | (~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca) (Quit: bye) |
2022-10-26 01:08:53 +0200 | <sm> | well, among other things I read all manuals and survival guides for ghc, ghc-pkg, cabal, stack, .... which maybe wasn't quick but certainly helped |
2022-10-26 01:09:11 +0200 | ubert1 | (~Thunderbi@77.119.201.227.wireless.dyn.drei.com) |
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2022-10-26 01:10:37 +0200 | ubert1 | ubert |
2022-10-26 01:11:20 +0200 | <sm> | lots of ways to get your hands dirty, depending on what you want to master |
2022-10-26 01:11:37 +0200 | mncheck | (~mncheck@193.224.205.254) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
2022-10-26 01:12:48 +0200 | <sm> | "building random haskell sh*t" is a good one |
2022-10-26 01:16:31 +0200 | <Axman6> | dfee: I would strongly recommend against deciding on Scala above Haskell, I've been using it in my dfay job and I've been shocked how awful it is as a language. They've somehow managed tot ake all the worst parts of Java and Haskell, and glue them together in ways that feel completely inconsistent. I'm so strongly convinced it's an awful choice that I've updated my linkedin profile to specifically tell recruiters to not bother me with Scala jobs. Haskell is a |
2022-10-26 01:16:31 +0200 | <Axman6> | simepl language, with unlimited abstraction; Scala is a language you're always having tofight to get it to do what should be simple. |
2022-10-26 01:16:48 +0200 | segfaultfizzbuzz | (~segfaultf@23-93-74-212.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
2022-10-26 01:18:10 +0200 | freeside | (~mengwong@103.252.202.193) |
2022-10-26 01:18:12 +0200 | <sm> | go and rust are both nice for a little contrast to complement haskell |
2022-10-26 01:18:32 +0200 | polo | (~polo@user/polo) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
2022-10-26 01:19:08 +0200 | <Axman6> | dfee: Hasura provides one of the best GraphQL servers around, which can sit in front of several RDBMSs, all written in Haskell. I'm not sure what the client side of GraphQL looks like, but I'm sure there must be a few options |
2022-10-26 01:19:22 +0200 | ajb | (~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca) |
2022-10-26 01:20:07 +0200 | <Axman6> | sm: eh, Rust is fine, but Go has always felt like it was intentionally designed to be insulting to software engineers; "You're too dumb to use the 'advanced' features like Generics, or concurrency in any other form than the one we think is cute" |
2022-10-26 01:20:28 +0200 | eggplantade | (~Eggplanta@2600:1700:38c5:d800:5107:bda4:d7f3:6fa) |
2022-10-26 01:21:01 +0200 | <sm> | Axman6: I hear you, but I spent some time with it the other day, and dropped that mindset; it's not competing with haskell/rust, it's more like a really great scripting language |
2022-10-26 01:21:16 +0200 | <sm> | with strengths of its own, like being straightforward |
2022-10-26 01:21:16 +0200 | <hpc> | a compiled scripting language? |
2022-10-26 01:21:21 +0200 | <sm> | yup |
2022-10-26 01:21:59 +0200 | <jackdk> | It seems to attract a lot of people who became fed up with Python for various reasons |
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2022-10-26 01:25:34 +0200 | <Axman6> | I struggle to see it as a better python too, python provides much more to the developer, and the benefits of faster execution really don't outweigh the costs of having to copy and paste the same code again and again because 'developers are too dumb to need abstraction' |
2022-10-26 01:26:15 +0200 | <sm> | go's much better at packaging/cross compilation/easy deployment I'd say |
2022-10-26 01:26:25 +0200 | <hpc> | go has since added templating |
2022-10-26 01:26:51 +0200 | <hpc> | i guess developers are too stupid for java-style generics, but they are smart enough for c++ style templating? |
2022-10-26 01:27:06 +0200 | <Axman6> | which is notiously simple... |
2022-10-26 01:27:20 +0200 | pavonia | (~user@user/siracusa) |
2022-10-26 01:27:35 +0200 | ajb | (~ajb@mimas.whatbox.ca) (Client Quit) |
2022-10-26 01:28:35 +0200 | <hpc> | although, maybe the trend isn't to go from python to a language that lets them do more, but the opposite |
2022-10-26 01:28:41 +0200 | <sm> | go is limiting but the strong KISS aesthetic is a refreshing feature |
2022-10-26 01:29:07 +0200 | <hpc> | because if you look back instead, the migration to python was from perl, which is one of the most expressive languages ever |
2022-10-26 01:29:43 +0200 | <hpc> | maybe people really do just want to phone it in for $300k+options |
2022-10-26 01:29:52 +0200 | <geekosaur> | sm, imo you just explained why it's a replacement for python 🙂 |
2022-10-26 01:31:11 +0200 | <dolio> | I don't think I'd really describe perl as very expressive. |
2022-10-26 01:31:37 +0200 | albet70 | (~xxx@2400:8902::f03c:92ff:fe60:98d8) |
2022-10-26 01:33:12 +0200 | <dolio> | It might be very concise for certain jobs, but it's not great at various things outside those jobs. |
2022-10-26 01:33:40 +0200 | bitdex | (~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex) |
2022-10-26 01:33:47 +0200 | <hpc> | it has first-class functions, a better version of python's f-strings, a flexible function calling syntax with named arguments, varargs, and all sorts of things |
2022-10-26 01:33:59 +0200 | <hpc> | cpan was the first language-specific package manager |
2022-10-26 01:34:32 +0200 | <Axman6> | I listened to a podcast recently about cpan and it being the origin of package management |
2022-10-26 01:34:36 +0200 | <hpc> | all sorts of array slice syntax, the best string manipulation syntax of any language even to date |
2022-10-26 01:35:00 +0200 | <geekosaur> | I'd argue about that, actually |
2022-10-26 01:35:02 +0200 | <hpc> | it has the easiest way to execute other commands |
2022-10-26 01:35:08 +0200 | sm | too, nice history |
2022-10-26 01:35:25 +0200 | <hpc> | all of this back in the early 90s |
2022-10-26 01:35:31 +0200 | <geekosaur> | snobol/icon has as good string manipulation and it's way more readable |
2022-10-26 01:35:42 +0200 | <dolio> | I had to implement Turing machines in perl, and I had to fake multi-dimensional arrays as map lookups of strings "$i,$j". |
2022-10-26 01:35:45 +0200 | <sm> | CPAN has no central package repository, right ? |
2022-10-26 01:35:48 +0200 | <geekosaur> | and I say this as someone who loved perl |
2022-10-26 01:36:17 +0200 | son0p | (~ff@181.136.122.143) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
2022-10-26 01:36:37 +0200 | <hpc> | dolio: whaaaaaaat? perl totally could do that |
2022-10-26 01:37:49 +0200 | <hpc> | you can literally write $foo = [[1, 2, 3], [4, 5, 6]]; |
2022-10-26 01:38:03 +0200 | freeside | (~mengwong@103.252.202.193) |
2022-10-26 01:38:18 +0200 | <hpc> | $foo[1][2] == 6 |
2022-10-26 01:41:49 +0200 | <jackdk> | Axman6: Python is a very difficult language for me to understand, because I have to imagine "how would a rushed C programmer implement this?" to predict the behaviour of its runtime. Only then does its scoping rules, mutable default arguments, etc make sense to me. |
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2022-10-26 01:46:28 +0200 | <yushyin> | hpc: afair this only works since perl5, if dolio meant perl<5, it probably didn't work yet |
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2022-10-26 01:46:47 +0200 | <dolio> | I don't really recall. |
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2022-10-26 01:48:13 +0200 | <monochrom> | hpc: In "$foo = [[1, 2, 3], [4, 5, 6]];", should it really be $? @? |
2022-10-26 01:48:26 +0200 | <monochrom> | which is my beef with Perl. |
2022-10-26 01:48:27 +0200 | caryhartline | (~caryhartl@2600:1700:2d0:8d30:7075:e274:b18d:7a76) (Quit: caryhartline) |
2022-10-26 01:49:42 +0200 | <jackdk> | I think that sets `$foo` to an array reference, which is a scalar value |
2022-10-26 01:49:49 +0200 | <jackdk> | but I haven't written any perl for a long long time |
2022-10-26 01:50:20 +0200 | <Axman6> | The only perl I ever wrote was an irssi plugin... I think it was to share what you were listenting to in iTunes, when that was a thing people did |
2022-10-26 01:50:31 +0200 | <Axman6> | might have been a system info thing actually |
2022-10-26 01:51:55 +0200 | <Axman6> | ah, it was a Growl notification thing (the precursor to proper notification on Mac OS X - someone stuck it on github ten years ago: https://github.com/kfdm/irssi-growl) |
2022-10-26 01:52:13 +0200 | <hpc> | jackdk is right |
2022-10-26 01:52:26 +0200 | <geekosaur[m]> | Right, for that it would have needed to be $foo->[1][2] |
2022-10-26 01:52:29 +0200 | <yushyin> | $ is correct, it's a arrayref of arrayrefs. but you need $foo->[1][2] |
2022-10-26 01:52:55 +0200 | <hpc> | ah, right |
2022-10-26 01:53:07 +0200 | <monochrom> | SML's "foo = ref [[1,2,3], [4,5,6]]" would be much clearer. |
2022-10-26 01:53:14 +0200 | <hpc> | also, () denotes arrays/hashes, and []/{} denote references to arrays/hashes |
2022-10-26 01:53:35 +0200 | <geekosaur[m]> | Biggest problem with perl |
2022-10-26 01:53:37 +0200 | <hpc> | because of list flattening |
2022-10-26 01:53:46 +0200 | <monochrom> | So basically although Perl is unambiguous, it requires the reader to reverse engineer "how can $ make sense in this context?". |
2022-10-26 01:54:11 +0200 | <yushyin> | () denotes 'lists' |
2022-10-26 01:54:25 +0200 | <hpc> | it's like pointers |
2022-10-26 01:54:38 +0200 | <hpc> | (for better and worse) |
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2022-10-26 01:56:21 +0200 | <monochrom> | No. It's like I don't tell you I'm 53 years old, I tell you my age mod 3 is 2, my age mod 5 is 3, my age mod 7 is 4, and I'm under 104. |
2022-10-26 01:58:00 +0200 | <monochrom> | It's like I don't use ADTs, I turn on RankNTypes and use System F and Church encoding all the time. |
2022-10-26 01:58:42 +0200 | <monochrom> | It's like I load an always-on ROT13 plugin into my IRC client. |
2022-10-26 01:59:06 +0200 | <hpc> | it's like they're not even monoids in the category of endofunctors, they're actually monads in the 2-category of monads |
2022-10-26 01:59:49 +0200 | <dolio> | You've got to use ADTs to define the non-strictly positive types that allow asymptotically more efficient operations on Church encodings. :þ |
2022-10-26 02:00:48 +0200 | <dolio> | But only for those. |
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2022-10-26 02:40:46 +0200 | <zzz> | how can we check if a project has unused or redundant imports? |
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2022-10-26 02:42:24 +0200 | <zzz> | i kind of remember doing this in the past |
2022-10-26 02:42:47 +0200 | <geekosaur> | ghc -Wunused-imports |
2022-10-26 02:43:17 +0200 | <geekosaur> | maybe -Wdodgy-imports |
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2022-10-26 02:44:44 +0200 | <geekosaur> | no, not the "dodgy" one |
2022-10-26 02:45:13 +0200 | <zzz> | where do i run that command? |
2022-10-26 02:45:37 +0200 | <zzz> | i have a cabal project |
2022-10-26 02:45:51 +0200 | <geekosaur> | you probably just do "ghc-options: -Wunused-imports" |
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2022-10-26 02:46:19 +0200 | <zzz> | of course |
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2022-10-26 05:58:30 +0200 | <c_wraith> | monochrom: I thought there were some perl constructs that are ambiguous statically - you have to run the program to parse them correctly. |
2022-10-26 06:02:15 +0200 | <c_wraith> | oh. 4 hours late to the conversation. whatever. |
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2022-10-26 06:06:19 +0200 | <jackdk> | c_wraith: https://perlmonks.org/?node_id=663393 |
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2022-10-26 19:19:00 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | is PatternGuards Haskell98 ? |
2022-10-26 19:19:00 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/pattern_guards.html only mentions the negative version and claims it's Haskell98 but clicking on Haskell98 shows a list missing PatternGuards, it's included in -fglasgow-exts which would suggest not? |
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2022-10-26 19:21:12 +0200 | <c_wraith> | I don't think it was. But I do think it's Haskell2010. (my memory is not reliable on these details, but they are what I remember) |
2022-10-26 19:23:07 +0200 | redmp | (~redmp@eduroam-169-233-179-23.ucsc.edu) |
2022-10-26 19:23:15 +0200 | tzh | (~tzh@c-24-21-73-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
2022-10-26 19:24:17 +0200 | <c_wraith> | testing with ghci... pattern guards work without warning with -XHaskell2010, but trigger a warning (and yet still work) with -XHaskell98 |
2022-10-26 19:24:47 +0200 | <c_wraith> | So I'd say that ghc accepts them but tells you it's not supposed to, with -XHaskell98 |
2022-10-26 19:26:32 +0200 | tromp | (~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
2022-10-26 19:26:40 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | weird, I can define `f !x = x`, and get a warning not an error, but can't invoke it: `Variable not in scope: f :: t0 -> t` |
2022-10-26 19:29:05 +0200 | <[exa]> | alexfmpe[m]: depending on the extensions you might be defining (!) |
2022-10-26 19:29:28 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | oh heh lemme see |
2022-10-26 19:29:34 +0200 | <[exa]> | do you have BangPatterns? |
2022-10-26 19:30:28 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | riiight, the warning is actually "missing-space-after-bang" |
2022-10-26 19:30:29 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | Did you forget to enable BangPatterns? |
2022-10-26 19:30:29 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | If you mean to bind (!) then perhaps you want |
2022-10-26 19:30:29 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | to add a space after the bang for clarity. |
2022-10-26 19:30:58 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | > 1 ! 2 |
2022-10-26 19:30:58 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | 2 |
2022-10-26 19:31:00 +0200 | <lambdabot> | error: |
2022-10-26 19:31:00 +0200 | <lambdabot> | • Could not deduce (Ix i0) |
2022-10-26 19:31:00 +0200 | <lambdabot> | from the context: (Ix i, Num i, Num (Array i e)) |
2022-10-26 19:31:49 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | ok so it looks like bangpatterns are not haskell98, and that particular doc is wrong |
2022-10-26 19:31:59 +0200 | ft | (~ft@p3e9bc845.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
2022-10-26 19:32:27 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | alexfmpe[m]: bangpatterns is not even Haskell2010, it's a ghc extension |
2022-10-26 19:33:18 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | oh wth |
2022-10-26 19:33:36 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | I got BangPatterns and PatternGuards all mixed up |
2022-10-26 19:33:44 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | those are not the same thing ;) |
2022-10-26 19:33:57 +0200 | <[Leary]> | alexfmpe[m]: That link isn't saying PatternGuards is in Haskell98, it's saying NoPatternGuards is. That's the answer to your question. Re BangPatterns ... Well, they're GHC2021. |
2022-10-26 19:34:02 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | pattern guards is `f | Just x <- something = another x` |
2022-10-26 19:34:32 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | ok yeah I was just confused |
2022-10-26 19:34:34 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | https://ghc.gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/doc/users_guide/exts/strict.html#bang-patterns-informal |
2022-10-26 19:34:50 +0200 | <alexfmpe[m]> | indeed, not even haskell2010, only ghc2021 |
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2022-10-26 19:51:25 +0200 | <zzz> | is there a better way of avoiding ambiguous fromList than qualifying imports? |
2022-10-26 19:52:25 +0200 | <[exa]> | unlikely |
2022-10-26 19:52:53 +0200 | coot | (~coot@213.134.171.3) |
2022-10-26 19:53:11 +0200 | <[exa]> | ..mmmmmmaybe someone made a typeclass from all stuff that can be built from a list... |
2022-10-26 19:53:21 +0200 | eggplantade | (~Eggplanta@2600:1700:38c5:d800:2dc3:e5cf:7d7:c61d) |
2022-10-26 19:53:39 +0200 | <[exa]> | and yeah, there's one right here https://hackage.haskell.org/package/universum-1.8.1/docs/Universum-Container.html#t:FromList |
2022-10-26 19:54:30 +0200 | <[Leary]> | There's also Unfoldable. |
2022-10-26 19:54:34 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | 'universum' kinda sounds like 'acme-everything', and that class sounds super prone to pulling in tons of deps just to provide instances |
2022-10-26 19:55:02 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | though I see they were restrained in that, which is good |
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2022-10-26 20:04:57 +0200 | <[Leary]> | Actually, I'm not so sure that class even ultimately enables a fromList; I was going off the name alone---since Foldable is pretty much the `toList` class. |
2022-10-26 20:06:35 +0200 | <yrlnry> | Hi folks. I am modifying a fairly complex Stack `package.yaml` file. I want to have a `when:` block to select the array of GHC options, as in https://pastebin.com/GaXzX0Nr . This works, but the two lists of options have substantial overlap that I would like to eliminate. |
2022-10-26 20:07:08 +0200 | axeman | (~quassel@2a02:8109:a380:78:dc7a:6733:90cc:b8cc) |
2022-10-26 20:07:10 +0200 | glguy | (~glguy@libera/staff-emeritus/glguy) |
2022-10-26 20:07:22 +0200 | <yrlnry> | I have learned that there is no YAML standard feature for merging two arrays, but that this is sometimes supported by individual YAML processors. Is there anything like this in the YAML processor used by Stack, which I think is Data.YAML? |
2022-10-26 20:07:22 +0200 | <sm> | yrlnry: can you just declare the common options at top level ? |
2022-10-26 20:07:23 +0200 | briandaed | (~briandaed@185.234.210.211.r.toneticgroup.pl) |
2022-10-26 20:07:51 +0200 | <yrlnry> | I may be mistaken, but I think that when I do that, the `ghc-options` in the `when` block overrides the definition at the top level. |
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2022-10-26 20:08:36 +0200 | <sm> | I expect so.. but that's ok ? declare common/default options at top, and override as necessary in when: ? |
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2022-10-26 20:09:09 +0200 | <yrlnry> | How would I do that? |
2022-10-26 20:09:37 +0200 | <yrlnry> | (At present I only know how to override the entire list of strings.) |
2022-10-26 20:10:39 +0200 | <sm> | ghc-options:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/4330b2797e83bcdd5cd54bc0ea0fb88e1ee8…>) |
2022-10-26 20:10:49 +0200 | <sm> | * ```... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/dc4f93730a76dfcb00589b66c2f60940b838…>) |
2022-10-26 20:11:06 +0200 | <sm> | * ```... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fc5558e62f359918c4918f58bbb243e9ecb8…>) |
2022-10-26 20:11:08 +0200 | chexum | (~quassel@gateway/tor-sasl/chexum) |
2022-10-26 20:11:20 +0200 | <yrlnry> | If I do that, then when the condition is true, I get `-some-option` _only_, I think. |
2022-10-26 20:11:31 +0200 | <sm> | * ```... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/09753f23f2958bf3f0129bdbaf080bff8d6d…>) |
2022-10-26 20:11:53 +0200 | <sm> | multiple ghc-options: are additive I think |
2022-10-26 20:12:38 +0200 | <yrlnry> | I can give it another try. Let me see if I can come up with a specific problem case. |
2022-10-26 20:12:58 +0200 | <sm> | or look at a bunch of package yamls, I bet you'll see this pattern quickly |
2022-10-26 20:13:11 +0200 | glguy | (~glguy@libera/staff-emeritus/glguy) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
2022-10-26 20:13:25 +0200 | <yrlnry> | I have not been able to find any examples that do anything similar to what I am trying to do. Can you suggest one? |
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2022-10-26 20:15:01 +0200 | <sm> | excerpt from hledger/package.yaml:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/e15f63088b7396516713ec1b6ec038e41524…>) |
2022-10-26 20:15:19 +0200 | <yrlnry> | Yes, you're right, it is merging the `ghc-options` lists. |
2022-10-26 20:15:26 +0200 | <yrlnry> | I wonder why IO thought it wasn't? |
2022-10-26 20:15:56 +0200 | <yrlnry> | Is there a way to get Stack to dump out its final configuration after processing the `package.yaml` file? |
2022-10-26 20:16:18 +0200 | califax | (~califax@user/califx) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) |
2022-10-26 20:16:36 +0200 | <sm> | certain flags might be mutually exclusive to ghc, even if merged by hpack |
2022-10-26 20:17:05 +0200 | <sm> | I think a quick way is `stack build -v ...` and look at the command line generated |
2022-10-26 20:19:50 +0200 | <yrlnry> | I see now why I thought it wasn't merging. The top-level `ghc-options` has `-Wno-missing-safe-haskell-mode` but with my when-block in place I get many errors pertaining to error: `[-Wmissing-safe-haskell-mode, -Werror=missing-safe-haskell-mode]` |
2022-10-26 20:19:51 +0200 | <sm> | re your original q, yes it is possible to use yaml's include feature (see hpack docs), but seems overkill here |
2022-10-26 20:20:40 +0200 | glguy | (~glguy@libera/staff-emeritus/glguy) |
2022-10-26 20:23:07 +0200 | <yrlnry> | It supports include, but I'm not sure it does what I want. I have only seen `!include` used in conjunction with `<<:`. But `<<:` only works with dictionaries, there is nothing like it for sequences. |
2022-10-26 20:23:31 +0200 | <sm[i]> | ok |
2022-10-26 20:24:36 +0200 | <sm[i]> | sorry for all the paste links, I forgot I was in #haskell not #Haskell |
2022-10-26 20:25:07 +0200 | <yrlnry> | I can find API documentation for Data.Yaml but not anything describing what it actually parses. (https://hackage.haskell.org/package/yaml-0.11.8.0/docs/Data-Yaml.html ) |
2022-10-26 20:25:19 +0200 | <yrlnry> | No problem, I appreciate you taking the time to help me. |
2022-10-26 20:27:27 +0200 | <yrlnry> | I think your pointing out that the `ghc-options` sections are actually merged is enough to solve my problem. Thanks very much. |
2022-10-26 20:28:04 +0200 | <sm> | np |
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2022-10-26 21:05:31 +0200 | <jean-paul[m]> | Aeson parse error reporting is bumming me out. Is there a JSON parser with better reporting about parse fails? |
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2022-10-26 22:20:13 +0200 | <habib> | hey, does anyone know if ghcup installs man pages? it claims to on the user-guide, but i can't see them on my system |
2022-10-26 22:20:24 +0200 | <habib> | i've made sure MANPATH is empty when installing ghc with ghcup |
2022-10-26 22:20:34 +0200 | <habib> | i can't see any manpages in the share directory of where the ghc is installed |
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2022-10-26 22:47:01 +0200 | <sm> | habib: #haskell-ghcup will know |
2022-10-26 22:47:57 +0200 | <habib> | ah, i searched for ghcup in the channels list and got zero results; i've literally just finished opening an issue on the issue tracker |
2022-10-26 22:48:05 +0200 | <habib> | https://gitlab.haskell.org/haskell/ghcup-hs/-/issues/425 |
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2022-10-26 22:48:46 +0200 | <sm> | 👍️ |
2022-10-26 22:48:55 +0200 | <habib> | appreciate you posting the channel; i'll check it out tomorrow if the issue gets no response |
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