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2022-05-25 00:16:24 +0000 <Axman6> o/
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2022-05-25 01:15:59 +0000 <sm> morning dibblego
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2022-05-25 01:24:59 +0000 <kenaryn> Hello. I would like to install and use scientific package on stackage.org. I'm using voidLinux with musl. I run `stack upgrade` and `stack update`. I then typed `stack init` in my project and added `extra-deps: scientific-0.3.7.0@rev:2` in `stack.yaml` file and run `stack install scientific -v` but stack failed during building of hashable-1.3.5.0 package and I do not know what to do in order to fix it.
2022-05-25 01:25:05 +0000 <kenaryn> Can someone help me? maybe I need other dependencies or passing a flag to stack. The log is here: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/lyUx1NFK
2022-05-25 01:26:20 +0000 <kenaryn> I forgot to say "please".
2022-05-25 01:27:21 +0000 <hololeap> hm, is (forall a. a -> b) isomorphic to b? since you can only provide something that drops a
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2022-05-25 01:29:56 +0000 <hololeap> kenaryn: ghc might have issues with musl. you'll have to wait for someone who knows about that stuff. and/or ask in #ghc
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2022-05-25 01:32:57 +0000 <kenaryn> hololeap: Allright, thanks, I'll ask there too.
2022-05-25 01:32:58 +0000 <dolio> Whether they're isomorphic depends on how much you care about bottoms.
2022-05-25 01:33:29 +0000 <hololeap> dolio, can you explain what you mean?
2022-05-25 01:33:57 +0000 <jackdk> that's the coyoneda lemma for the identity functor, isn't it?
2022-05-25 01:35:22 +0000 <jackdk> kenaryn: I see errors in the trace about not being able to find libtinfo and libgmp; have you installed development versions of those packages?
2022-05-25 01:36:00 +0000 <dolio> Well, like, `\x -> seq x b` and `\_ -> b` are different values of that type that you'd probably expect to correspond to `b`.
2022-05-25 01:36:21 +0000 <jackdk> void + musl seems like a really niche combination. The only way I've ever built ghc-on-musl is by cross-compiling from a glibc system using nix, and all the nix means I don't think about how the magic actually happens
2022-05-25 01:36:36 +0000 <hololeap> hm, interesting example dolio. I hadn't thought of that
2022-05-25 01:36:38 +0000 <dolio> Also there's an extra level of indirection for bottoms.
2022-05-25 01:36:52 +0000 <dolio> undefined vs. \_ -> undefined
2022-05-25 01:38:12 +0000 <monochrom> The other day I heard of voidlinux and its runit. Had a good chuckle. :)
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2022-05-25 01:44:35 +0000 <kenaryn> jackdk: I have ncurses-libtinfo-devel-6.3_2 and gmp-devel-6.2.1.1
2022-05-25 01:45:23 +0000 <jackdk> then I dunno. I don't know void, I don't know musl, and I don't know how stack passes paths to cabal-the-library :S
2022-05-25 01:45:55 +0000 <kenaryn> jackdk: but when I was trying to install it before, I got: Did not find shared library libgmp.so.3 and libftinfo.so.6
2022-05-25 01:46:55 +0000 <kenaryn> I do have a symlink to /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.6.1 /usr/lib/libtinfow.so.6 /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.6 /usr/lib/libtinfo.so.6 but nothing of the sort regarding to lib-gmp
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2022-05-25 10:07:40 +0000 <trisolarian> what's the difference between runghc and runhaskell ?
2022-05-25 10:08:07 +0000notzmv(~zmv@user/notzmv) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
2022-05-25 10:09:34 +0000 <tomsmeding> no difference
2022-05-25 10:09:54 +0000 <tomsmeding> they point to the same binary on my machine
2022-05-25 10:10:15 +0000 <int-e> at some point in the past, runhaskell could've invoked hugs
2022-05-25 10:10:33 +0000 <int-e> i.e. another haskell implementation
2022-05-25 10:10:54 +0000tromp(~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl) (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
2022-05-25 10:12:13 +0000tromp(~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl)
2022-05-25 10:12:14 +0000 <trisolarian> How does runghc looks for packages? i use cabal install --lib random --env . in a folder
2022-05-25 10:12:19 +0000 <trisolarian> and runghc can find the random package
2022-05-25 10:12:36 +0000 <trisolarian> but in another folder, runghc doesn't find the random package
2022-05-25 10:15:10 +0000__monty__(~toonn@user/toonn)
2022-05-25 10:16:08 +0000 <int-e> there's a magic file for that, .ghc-environment or something
2022-05-25 10:17:02 +0000 <int-e> There's also an environment variable, GHC_ENVIRONMENT, which you can probably point to that directory to make things work?
2022-05-25 10:17:15 +0000 <maerwald> .ghc.environment.<arch>-<platform>-<ghcver>
2022-05-25 10:17:33 +0000econo(uid147250@user/econo) (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2022-05-25 10:17:37 +0000 <trisolarian> nice to know that environment variable
2022-05-25 10:17:56 +0000int-ehas GHC_ENVIRONMENT set to - because that disables this ...excuse me... crap.
2022-05-25 10:18:20 +0000frost(~frost@user/frost)
2022-05-25 10:18:45 +0000 <maerwald> hm, servants JWT support is really obscure
2022-05-25 10:21:04 +0000pavonia(~user@user/siracusa) (Quit: Bye!)
2022-05-25 10:21:05 +0000 <int-e> ("crap"... there's an element of paranoia because I tend to invoke `ghci` as a calculator in random directories (including repositories I might have just cloned without checking over their contents) so picking up random configurations from the local directory feels quite insecure)
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2022-05-25 10:21:45 +0000 <maerwald> you'll like the cabal.project remote includes then xD
2022-05-25 10:22:09 +0000 <int-e> I bet I won't.
2022-05-25 10:22:37 +0000 <int-e> But at least that involves invoking cabal... I take more care with that.
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2022-05-25 10:23:09 +0000 <trisolarian> int-e: my use case is to run haskell snippets while editing in any random emacs buffer
2022-05-25 10:24:11 +0000razetime(~quassel@117.254.35.7)
2022-05-25 10:24:44 +0000 <int-e> And that's okay, we all make our own compromises and form our own habits.
2022-05-25 10:27:31 +0000 <maerwald> ah great: https://github.com/haskell-servant/servant/pull/1531
2022-05-25 10:27:53 +0000 <maerwald> that's what you get from abusing types :p
2022-05-25 10:29:59 +0000 <__monty__> Ooh, unary numbers?
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2022-05-25 10:31:58 +0000 <Las[m]> Does anyone know of a good way to detect mutual recursion in generic programming? I traverse the representation and that would obviously cause a loop if done naively. I need to detect the cycles at type checking time.
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2022-05-25 10:47:50 +0000 <trisolarian> can cabal only install the library part of my package?
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2022-05-25 10:48:21 +0000 <trisolarian> cabal install lib:toaster --package-env ~/dev/myenv
2022-05-25 10:48:34 +0000 <trisolarian> this install the exe part too
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2022-05-25 10:49:34 +0000 <trisolarian> also, myenv dosn't seem to be updated to include my package. when i runghc, it says that my package toaster is hidden
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2022-05-25 13:17:41 +0000 <unit73e> I just found out purescript exists
2022-05-25 13:17:43 +0000 <unit73e> looks decent
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2022-05-25 13:18:16 +0000 <unit73e> for web frontend, obviously
2022-05-25 13:18:51 +0000 <unit73e> until webassembly is actually common, that is
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2022-05-25 13:20:52 +0000 <unit73e> angular, react, vue, and pals leave a lot to be desired
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2022-05-25 13:26:50 +0000 <tdammers> even with webassembly, purescript would still be a good fit
2022-05-25 13:27:00 +0000 <bahamas> which version of HashMap would you recommend to a beginner, lazy or strict?
2022-05-25 13:28:19 +0000 <unit73e> tdammers, yes true. hard to know the future of these haskell like languages and the web.
2022-05-25 13:28:24 +0000 <geekosaur> that's kinda the wrong question. it has more to do with what kind of data you're putting into it and how you're making use of it
2022-05-25 13:28:45 +0000 <unit73e> meaning there's no real difference for a begginer
2022-05-25 13:29:02 +0000 <unit73e> a lazy HashMap is good in some cases, and strict in others
2022-05-25 13:30:44 +0000 <bahamas> ok. I'll just recommend strict then
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2022-05-25 13:30:53 +0000 <geekosaur> also note that keys will be strict in both cases; the question is whether values are strict or not
2022-05-25 13:31:10 +0000 <geekosaur> (since it has to compute the hash of the key regardless)
2022-05-25 13:31:19 +0000 <bahamas> geekosaur: that makes sense
2022-05-25 13:32:56 +0000 <tdammers> without any further information or insight, IMO "strict data structures, lazy functions" is a good rule of thumb
2022-05-25 13:36:08 +0000 <unit73e> I just use lazy everything because I'm lazy
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2022-05-25 13:40:05 +0000 <k``> If you're lazy, use a strict HashMap. Lazy HashMaps are for folks who want to think about what values will be evaluated and when.
2022-05-25 13:42:17 +0000 <geekosaur> also, if youre populating it from a stream of data you're reading, you probably want strict because lazy will probably hold on to extra copies of the stream until everything has been forced
2022-05-25 13:42:20 +0000 <unit73e> idk I find it easier to think everything is lazy and don't bother much with strict unless necessary, even when lazy is harder to grasp. but that's just me.
2022-05-25 13:42:57 +0000 <unit73e> as long as you know what each does
2022-05-25 13:43:07 +0000 <geekosaur> especially important if you're only storing part of the stream, because you're likely to hold the whole stream in memory until everything is forced
2022-05-25 13:43:20 +0000 <k``> OK, but when the bullet hits you won't even know when you shot yourself in the foot.
2022-05-25 13:43:26 +0000 <unit73e> true
2022-05-25 13:43:27 +0000 <geekosaur> laziness has its advantages but it needs a fair amount of thought to not introduce space leaks
2022-05-25 13:44:16 +0000 <geekosaur> or "time leaks" because forcing one thing forces a bunch of others all at once
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2022-05-25 13:46:05 +0000 <maerwald> -fprint-potential-instances does not work?
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2022-05-25 13:47:51 +0000 <maerwald> or I guess the servant error is just too big to see it :D
2022-05-25 13:49:04 +0000 <geekosaur> -fc++-errors :Ăľ
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2022-05-25 14:16:51 +0000 <maerwald> I have the feeling named routes are experimental
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2022-05-25 14:22:21 +0000Henson(~kvirc@107-179-133-201.cpe.teksavvy.com)
2022-05-25 14:23:48 +0000 <Henson> I've got a question about time profiling. I've got a Haskell function that calls a function in C. The C function takes up most of the system's runtime and the CPU load is around 100% (one core's worth). This can be verified by the C function printing out the amount of time it takes to complete. But when profiling with Haskell "stack build --profile", even with the SCC annotation on the C....
2022-05-25 14:24:23 +0000 <Henson> function, the .prof output reports that the C function is taking up 0.0 percent of the total runtime. Does anybody have any suggestions as to why this could be happening?
2022-05-25 14:25:05 +0000bahamas(~lucian@84.232.141.167) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2022-05-25 14:25:14 +0000 <Henson> I have some unsafeperformIOs allowing me to call the C function in a pure function and the FFI calls are marked as "safe"
2022-05-25 14:25:25 +0000 <Henson> in as pure function -> as a pure function
2022-05-25 14:25:38 +0000 <geekosaur> because profiling happens in the Haskell runtime which doesn't get to run during the C function, maybe?
2022-05-25 14:26:59 +0000 <unit73e> looks like optparse-applicative is excelent for command line parsing. cmdargs.. was disappointing.
2022-05-25 14:27:34 +0000 <Henson> hmm, looks like this problem has been around for a while: https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2018-August/129820.html
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2022-05-25 14:33:42 +0000 <Henson> but GHC's profiling docs states: Time spent in foreign code (see Chapter 8, Foreign function interface (FFI) ) is always attributed to the cost centre in force at the Haskell call-site of the foreign function.
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2022-05-25 15:10:30 +0000 <moonsheep> is this the correct place to ask about the opengl bindings?
2022-05-25 15:11:01 +0000 <moonsheep> if so, in the higher-level API (OpenGL instead of OpenGLRaw), what is the correct way to delete a shader?
2022-05-25 15:11:15 +0000 <moonsheep> (so glDeleteShader)
2022-05-25 15:11:26 +0000 <moonsheep> or am I suppose to leave them hanging once I've detached them from the program?
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2022-05-25 15:29:28 +0000 <byorgey> moonsheep: I don't know anything about the opengl bindings, but it's conceivable the shaders are set up with finalizers so they will be automatically deleted when garbage collected
2022-05-25 15:30:02 +0000 <byorgey> if you don't see any functions in the high-level API to explicitly delete shaders, then that is what I would tend to assume.
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2022-05-25 15:36:36 +0000 <[exa]> moonsheep: seems automatic via ObjectName, see https://github.com/haskell-opengl/OpenGL/blob/f7af8fe04b0f19c260a85c9ebcad612737cd7c8c/src/Graphic…
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2022-05-25 16:02:44 +0000 <moonsheep> byorgey, [exa]: ah, thank you very much
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2022-05-25 16:12:14 +0000 <dmj`> moonsheep: glDeleteShader, if you're using `gl` bindings
2022-05-25 16:12:58 +0000 <moonsheep> no, as I said I'm using the `OpenGL` bindings
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2022-05-25 16:14:04 +0000 <moonsheep> btw, does that mean that I don't have to call `deleteObjectName` to free buffers, as it will be done automatically?
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2022-05-25 16:39:50 +0000 <[exa]> moonsheep: not sure tbh, I don't see any connection in there
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2022-05-25 16:42:43 +0000 <[exa]> ...I'd expect something like withForeignPtr to take care about the number, but not seen anywhere there
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2022-05-25 17:45:28 +0000 <trisolaran> in emacs haskell-mode, C-c C-c build the cabal project. But when I'm not inside the root dir, it cant find .cabal file
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2022-05-25 18:27:31 +0000 <mesaoptimizer> trisolaran: you could look at the documentation of the function that builds cabal project and try to figure out what the issue is.
2022-05-25 18:28:01 +0000 <mesaoptimizer> This doesn't seem a #haskell issue, but more of an #emacs issue
2022-05-25 18:29:29 +0000 <fgaz> trisolaran: cabal looks for .cabal files only in . and */
2022-05-25 18:29:49 +0000 <fgaz> but it looks for cabal.project files up in the directory tree
2022-05-25 18:30:32 +0000 <fgaz> so you could create a cabal.project file in the project root with contents "packages: name-of-your-package.cabal"
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2022-05-25 18:42:52 +0000 <k``> When I use `haskell-compile` in emacs, it compiles from anywhere in the source tree.
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2022-05-25 21:52:21 +0000 <shapr> oh man, my nick rank is low on tomsmeding's channel log, I gotta talk about more stuff here!
2022-05-25 21:52:48 +0000 <geekosaur> :)
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2022-05-25 21:54:42 +0000 <geekosaur> (damn, I'm #2? I talk too much.)
2022-05-25 21:55:06 +0000 <monochrom> b
2022-05-25 21:55:13 +0000 <monochrom> err, wrong window
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2022-05-25 23:17:05 +0000 <lkira> How hard would be create a script in haskell that run shell commands to use FFMPEG to compresse some videos on a folder?
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2022-05-25 23:19:47 +0000 <hpc> less hard than figuring out ffmpeg commands is :P
2022-05-25 23:19:50 +0000 <hpc> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/process-1.6.14.0/docs/System-Process.html
2022-05-25 23:20:25 +0000 <lkira> I already made that script with python
2022-05-25 23:20:31 +0000 <lkira> but I lost the source code lol
2022-05-25 23:20:53 +0000 <hpc> heh
2022-05-25 23:20:54 +0000 <shapr> lkira: months ago I made something vaguely related: https://gist.github.com/shapr/20bb48a22bee23fcc3118e579239176b
2022-05-25 23:21:13 +0000 <shapr> My goal was to record my screen while I wrote code and then examine the video later
2022-05-25 23:21:29 +0000 <hpc> there's also some direct bindings - https://hoogle.haskell.org/?hoogle=ffmpeg
2022-05-25 23:22:34 +0000 <EvanR> ffmpeg is really quite easy to use, but this margin is too narrow to fit the command line flags
2022-05-25 23:22:59 +0000 <lkira> shapr thanks, would be possible to run multiple ffmpeg process in parallel with a command like your command?
2022-05-25 23:23:43 +0000 <shapr> yeah, hit it harder with System.Process
2022-05-25 23:24:01 +0000 <lkira> hpc thanks for recommending this package, I'll check if this helps me
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2022-05-25 23:24:59 +0000 <geekosaur> you run one command for each ffmpeg, then loop on waitForProcess
2022-05-25 23:25:12 +0000 <geekosaur> or the System.Process version thereof
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2022-05-25 23:43:17 +0000 <dons> morning all
2022-05-25 23:43:22 +0000 <shapr> g'day dons
2022-05-25 23:43:28 +0000 <geekosaur> o/
2022-05-25 23:43:40 +0000 <jackdk> hi dons
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2022-05-25 23:52:10 +0000 <Axman6> o/
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2022-05-25 23:53:31 +0000 <EvanR> /o
2022-05-25 23:53:48 +0000 <Axman6> \/o\
2022-05-25 23:54:04 +0000 <Axman6> I never have managed to figurew out how to send a / as the first character in glirc
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2022-05-25 23:54:18 +0000 <Axman6> /o\
2022-05-25 23:54:22 +0000 <Axman6> ah there we go
2022-05-25 23:54:27 +0000 <Axman6> h4x3d
2022-05-25 23:54:44 +0000 <jackdk> haxman6
2022-05-25 23:54:54 +0000Sauvin(~sauvin@about/linux/staff/sauvin)
2022-05-25 23:55:46 +0000 <EvanR> /say right
2022-05-25 23:56:57 +0000 <Axman6> I used /msg #haskell but say probably works too
2022-05-25 23:57:02 +0000 <Axman6> /o\
2022-05-25 23:57:05 +0000 <Axman6> it does
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