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2022-03-13 00:02:49 +0000 <hololeap> atomically =<< getCompose (Compose foo *> Compose bar)
2022-03-13 00:02:56 +0000 <hololeap> but now we're just getting silly
2022-03-13 00:05:31 +0000 <steven1> but it seems like I can't use the output of foo in bar. I think that makes sense since foo could run IO and you shouldn't run IO in STM. But now I'm trying to find an escape hatch
2022-03-13 00:05:53 +0000 <steven1> like maybe something like withRunInIO exception it's withRunInSTM (doesn't exist)
2022-03-13 00:05:58 +0000 <steven1> except*
2022-03-13 00:06:29 +0000 <hololeap> you said that foo was AppM (STM ())
2022-03-13 00:06:36 +0000 <steven1> yep
2022-03-13 00:06:44 +0000 <hololeap> so what output are you talking about?
2022-03-13 00:06:47 +0000 <steven1> I can also write AppM a -> a no problem
2022-03-13 00:06:56 +0000 <steven1> albeit not safe in general, but safe in this case at least
2022-03-13 00:07:34 +0000 <hololeap> I really don't think you want to be breaking the semantics of the STM monad here. it sounds like you just need to do a little bit of tetris
2022-03-13 00:08:22 +0000 <steven1> well I think it's safe because the only AppM logic I'm using here is reader
2022-03-13 00:08:35 +0000 <steven1> you can pretend AppM is Reader TChan
2022-03-13 00:08:59 +0000 <steven1> I just read the tchan then do some STM stuff with it
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2022-03-13 00:10:03 +0000 <hololeap> ok... but why do you need some escape hatch for that?
2022-03-13 00:11:37 +0000 <steven1> I don't strictly need it, just want to see if I can compose AppM (STM ()) without extracting the STMs beforehand like we said
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2022-03-13 00:14:33 +0000 <hololeap> you can use Compose on `AppM (STM ())`, which will give you `Compose AppM STM ()`. this is an Applicative and you can treat it as such
2022-03-13 00:14:46 +0000 <hololeap> it also sounds like AppM could be written as a monad transformer
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2022-03-13 00:14:57 +0000 <steven1> AppM is a transformer in practice
2022-03-13 00:15:01 +0000 <steven1> it's a yesod stack
2022-03-13 00:15:12 +0000 <hololeap> oh, so it needs to have IO at the bottom
2022-03-13 00:15:15 +0000 <steven1> I need monad in this case
2022-03-13 00:15:16 +0000 <steven1> yep
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2022-03-13 00:18:18 +0000 <hololeap> it sounds like you can just STM as it's intended to be used. if it ends up being a little "verbose", oh well. at least it will be readable
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2022-03-13 00:43:42 +0000 <steven1> hololeap: yeah, I think you're right. even if I find a way it looks like it will be complicated
2022-03-13 00:43:45 +0000 <steven1> thanks for looking
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2022-03-13 01:34:02 +0000 <nomagno> Hey! I'm not sure if this is on-topic enough, but any idea how I'm supposed to represent the S combinator in an SKI combinator calculus binary tree? Is 'Sxyz' usually represented (S(x)(y(z))) or (S(x(y))(z))?
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2022-03-13 09:41:09 +0000vglfr(~vglfr@88.155.84.15)
2022-03-13 09:43:02 +0000 <ski> nomagno : neither. `S x y z' should be parsed as `((S x) y) z'
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2022-03-13 09:44:08 +0000 <ski> (or `S(x)(y)(z)' or `((S(x))(y))(z)', if you insist with that style of bracketting)
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2022-03-13 11:05:26 +0000 <nomagno> ski: How would that look like in a binary tree though?
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2022-03-13 11:07:29 +0000 <nomagno> https://termbin.com/kaff
2022-03-13 11:07:35 +0000 <nomagno> Top, middle, or bottom?
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2022-03-13 11:10:14 +0000namkeleser(~namkelese@101.175.104.107)
2022-03-13 11:10:53 +0000 <nomagno> https://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~odonnell/Teacher/Lectures/Formal_Organization_of_Knowledge/Example…
2022-03-13 11:11:18 +0000 <nomagno> Thank you, Chicago University Computer Science Campus Official Website!
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2022-03-13 11:18:21 +0000 <ski> nomagno : neither
2022-03-13 11:20:11 +0000 <ski> @ -+- @ -+- @ -+- S
2022-03-13 11:20:14 +0000 <ski> \- x
2022-03-13 11:20:16 +0000fendor(~fendor@77.119.210.182.wireless.dyn.drei.com) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-03-13 11:20:20 +0000 <ski> \- y
2022-03-13 11:20:23 +0000 <ski> \- z
2022-03-13 11:20:35 +0000 <ski> where `@' refers to application
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2022-03-13 18:28:22 +0000 <hololeap> from the perspective of haskell coders, is lisp worth learning?
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2022-03-13 18:30:09 +0000 <ski> learning about the macro system (and staged programming) is useful (e.g. to compare with TH)
2022-03-13 18:30:42 +0000 <ski> hygienic macros and continuations in Scheme are also worth learning about
2022-03-13 18:32:25 +0000 <ski> (perhaps learning about the multi-method approach to OO, in CLOS, could also be interesting)
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2022-03-13 18:37:06 +0000 <[exa]> +1 for learning it, I'd say it's one of the "base languages" that are more or less present in everything
2022-03-13 18:38:06 +0000 <[exa]> also, learning call/cc in lisps is just incomparably easier than in haskell :]
2022-03-13 18:38:19 +0000zebrag(~chris@user/zebrag)
2022-03-13 18:38:28 +0000 <monochrom> Scheme is better than Lisp for the purpose of base language, simply because Scheme has hindsight.
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2022-03-13 18:38:50 +0000 <monochrom> The only downside is that CLOS does not have a Scheme equivalent.
2022-03-13 18:39:10 +0000csileeeeeeeeeeoe(~csileeeee@50.232.121.75)
2022-03-13 18:39:18 +0000 <dolio> Probably best to learn Racket or something.
2022-03-13 18:39:24 +0000 <monochrom> But macros, continuations, lambdas... Scheme cleans up Lisp's mess.
2022-03-13 18:40:25 +0000 <hpc> learning lisp is a lot like learning assembly, in some ways
2022-03-13 18:40:40 +0000 <hpc> "the language gives me nothing, now how do i do anything?"
2022-03-13 18:40:59 +0000 <monochrom> Unless you are interested in the niche of "a name has multiple bindings" which helps understand what Guy Steele was thinking when he wrote the semantics of EMCAScript.
2022-03-13 18:41:08 +0000 <ski> Racket is a Scheme is a Lisp :)
2022-03-13 18:41:26 +0000 <dolio> Yeah, but the details matter.
2022-03-13 18:41:34 +0000 <[exa]> there's the "teach yourself scheme in fixnum days" which is pretty cool and dives just about right in each interesting direction I'd say
2022-03-13 18:41:43 +0000 <[exa]> ^ happy to hear opinions on that btw
2022-03-13 18:41:48 +0000 <dolio> Racket actually has delimited continuations for you to use, instead of learning the antiquated call/cc.
2022-03-13 18:41:53 +0000 <ski> hm, i thought i'd seen some kind of CLOS system for a Scheme
2022-03-13 18:42:08 +0000 <monochrom> Yeah shift/reset is better.
2022-03-13 18:42:37 +0000 <dolio> Some other schemes do, too, but many don't, because it's not in the standard.
2022-03-13 18:43:45 +0000 <[exa]> ski: I always thought you can just macro it in (sacrificing some speed)
2022-03-13 18:44:03 +0000 <monochrom> Yeah go for Racket, it's a very much improved Scheme.
2022-03-13 18:45:18 +0000dyeplexer(~dyeplexer@user/dyeplexer) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2022-03-13 18:46:27 +0000ski. o O ( <https://okmij.org/ftp/continuations/> ; <https://okmij.org/ftp/kakuritu/Hansei.html> ; <https://okmij.org/ftp/meta-programming/> ; <https://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/macros.html> )
2022-03-13 18:46:51 +0000 <ski> [exa] : sorry, macro what in ?
2022-03-13 18:47:12 +0000 <monochrom> Also Racket has pattern matching.
2022-03-13 18:47:24 +0000Pickchea(~private@user/pickchea) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-03-13 18:47:51 +0000 <[exa]> ski: make sufficient macros to simulate CLOS atop R5RS
2022-03-13 18:48:21 +0000 <ski> ah, might well be quite possible
2022-03-13 18:48:30 +0000skihasn't really looked too much into CLOS
2022-03-13 18:48:58 +0000 <[exa]> me neither but I've seen quite a few (make-instance) and (defclass) in tutorials so I assumed. :D
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2022-03-13 18:56:11 +0000ski. o O ( "Pattern Matching" (SRFI 200) by Panicz Maciej Godek in 2020-(06-19 - 08-24) at <https://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-200/srfi-200.html> ; "portable hygienic pattern matcher" (defined using `syntax-rules') by foof (aka Alex Shinn) at <http://synthcode.com/scheme/match.scm> )
2022-03-13 18:56:17 +0000ski. o O ( "A Practical Soft Type System for Scheme" by Andrew K. Wright,Robert Cartwright in 1997-01 at <https://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~feeley/cours/ift6232/doc/pres2/practical-soft-type-system-for-scheme…> ; "Wright-Cartwright-Shinn Pattern Matcher" (SRFI 204, withdrawn) by Felix Thibault in 2020-07-15 - 2022-02-02 at <https://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-204/srfi-204.html> )
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2022-03-13 21:34:16 +0000 <mreh> Messing around with this oldish blog post https://www.parsonsmatt.org/2017/04/26/basic_type_level_programming_in_haskell.html
2022-03-13 21:35:08 +0000 <mreh> I can't get the type application of the `Symbol`s e.g @"foo" to parse.
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2022-03-13 21:35:49 +0000 <mreh> "Expected a type, but ‘"foo"’ has kind ‘GHC.Types.Symbol’"
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2022-03-13 21:42:52 +0000 <geekosaur> did you enable PolyKinds?
2022-03-13 21:44:43 +0000wyrd(~wyrd@gateway/tor-sasl/wyrd)
2022-03-13 21:45:17 +0000 <ski> argh, the `Show' instance doesn't properly bracket .. :(
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2022-03-13 22:10:42 +0000 <mreh> geekosaur: I thought so
2022-03-13 22:11:18 +0000 <mreh> Yeah :set -XPolyKinds
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2022-03-13 22:14:29 +0000 <geekosaur> I need DataKinds as well locally, it seems
2022-03-13 22:14:47 +0000 <geekosaur> %% :set
2022-03-13 22:14:48 +0000 <yahb> geekosaur: http://qp.mniip.com/y/48
2022-03-13 22:15:58 +0000 <geekosaur> % :set -XDataKinds -XTypeApplications -XPolyKinds
2022-03-13 22:15:58 +0000 <yahb> geekosaur:
2022-03-13 22:16:08 +0000 <geekosaur> % :t Proxy @"foo"
2022-03-13 22:16:08 +0000 <yahb> geekosaur: Proxy "foo"
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2022-03-13 22:27:37 +0000 <mreh> geekosaur: hmm, I have all those
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2022-03-13 22:28:48 +0000 <mreh> > :t Proxy @"foo"
2022-03-13 22:28:49 +0000 <mreh> Proxy @"foo" :: Proxy "foo"
2022-03-13 22:28:50 +0000 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘:’
2022-03-13 22:28:54 +0000 <mreh> That works for me
2022-03-13 22:29:03 +0000 <romesrf> hi
2022-03-13 22:29:11 +0000 <romesrf> in cabal, what's the difference between >= and ^>=
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2022-03-13 22:34:17 +0000 <jackdk> romesrf: https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/cabal-package.html#build-information
2022-03-13 22:37:38 +0000 <romesrf> jackdk: thank you, perhaps there could be a pointer to that link here: https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/developing-packages.html#modules-imported-from-other-packages
2022-03-13 22:37:46 +0000 <romesrf> where the >= ^>= are enumed
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2022-03-13 22:44:39 +0000 <mreh> ah, I had `data s >> a = Named a`, instead of `newtype s >> a = Named a`. Why would that affect the type application?
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