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2022-03-11 00:00:51 +0100 <romesrf> ppr (XTypedBracket b) = case ghcPass @p of
2022-03-11 00:00:53 +0100 <romesrf> #if __GLASGOW_HASKELL__ <= 900
2022-03-11 00:00:55 +0100 <romesrf> GhcPs -> dataConCantHappen b
2022-03-11 00:00:57 +0100 <romesrf> GhcRn -> dataConCantHappen b
2022-03-11 00:00:59 +0100 <romesrf> #endif
2022-03-11 00:01:01 +0100 <romesrf> GhcTc | (TExpBr _ e) <- b -> thTyBrackets (ppr e)
2022-03-11 00:01:29 +0100 <romesrf> in which dataConCantHappen is semantically equivalent to absurd
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2022-03-11 00:02:42 +0100 <romesrf> perhaps I'm mixing up things... I'll try a minimal example some other time
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2022-03-11 00:03:37 +0100 <romesrf> this one definitely isn't minimal =P
2022-03-11 00:07:01 +0100 <romesrf> because if I have those case branches when compiling GHC >= 900, I get an "overlapping pattern" warning
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2022-03-11 00:07:28 +0100 <romesrf> or "unused pattern"
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2022-03-11 01:13:41 +0100 <Axman6> Hmm, I hadn't been keeping up with Unison, but it looks like it's come a long way since I last looked! I'll have to give it a closer look. https://www.unison-lang.org/blog/unison_2021-year-in-review/ has a lot of interesting stuff, not least of which is that they're now using "the Haskell VM" for its runtime, which gives it access to GHC's concurrency and STM stuff. very cool
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2022-03-11 01:24:55 +0100 <jackdk> Axman6: thanks for teh link. Those are some pretty massive improvements, and Unison has thought hard and long about a lot of important things
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2022-03-11 01:55:37 +0100 <Axman6> huh, I was looking at the Unison docs, and I couldn't figure out why they felt to seird - turns out that each definition you looks at gets pushed onto a stack in your browser window, so things you looked at to get to where youy are are right there - this is awesome!
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2022-03-11 01:58:45 +0100 <geekosaur> now imagine wikipedia with that tech
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2022-03-11 02:00:28 +0100 <Axman6> that'd be pretty cool - though the items are much smaller; I guess if you did it on the level or parageraphs or sections or something itmight work
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2022-03-11 02:43:20 +0100 <sm> cool link. how does an experimental new programming language have 10 full time developers ?
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2022-03-11 02:51:11 +0100 <exarkun> I guess https://www.unison-lang.org/blog/benefit-corp-report/ explains how ("investors")
2022-03-11 02:51:50 +0100 <exarkun> hmm hq in my old backyard...
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2022-03-11 03:14:11 +0100 <sm> +1, thanks
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2022-03-11 05:06:10 +0100 <zzz> what's the "fixity" of :: ?
2022-03-11 05:06:48 +0100 <zzz> if that makes sense
2022-03-11 05:07:07 +0100 <Axman6> % :info (::)
2022-03-11 05:07:07 +0100 <yahb> Axman6: ; <interactive>:1:2: error: parse error on input `::'
2022-03-11 05:07:10 +0100 <Axman6> :(
2022-03-11 05:07:35 +0100 <Axman6> I don't think it does make sense
2022-03-11 05:08:31 +0100 <monochrom> It's a reserved word, so :info doesn't have it. You can treat it as very low precedence.
2022-03-11 05:08:53 +0100 <janus> can any expression have :: after it?
2022-03-11 05:08:56 +0100 <Axman6> low precedence, v. high importance
2022-03-11 05:09:07 +0100 <monochrom> Yes.
2022-03-11 05:09:17 +0100 <zzz> > length "test" :: [Char]
2022-03-11 05:09:18 +0100 <lambdabot> error:
2022-03-11 05:09:18 +0100 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘[Char]’ with actual type ‘Int’
2022-03-11 05:09:19 +0100 <lambdabot> • In the expression: length "test" :: [Char]
2022-03-11 05:09:24 +0100 <zzz> > length $ "test" :: [Char]
2022-03-11 05:09:25 +0100 <lambdabot> error:
2022-03-11 05:09:25 +0100 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘[Char]’ with actual type ‘Int’
2022-03-11 05:09:25 +0100 <lambdabot> • In the expression: length $ "test" :: [Char]
2022-03-11 05:09:31 +0100 <monochrom> Lower than $
2022-03-11 05:09:34 +0100 <zzz> nice
2022-03-11 05:09:58 +0100 <monochrom> It's <humongous expr> :: <type> in the grammar.
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2022-03-11 05:19:04 +0100 <hololeap> > \x -> replicate x $ "abcd" :: Int -> String
2022-03-11 05:19:06 +0100 <lambdabot> error:
2022-03-11 05:19:06 +0100 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘Int -> String’
2022-03-11 05:19:06 +0100 <lambdabot> with actual type ‘[[Char]]’
2022-03-11 05:19:20 +0100 <hololeap> so "\x -> " isn't considered part of the expression?
2022-03-11 05:20:55 +0100 <hololeap> @type (\x -> replicate x $ "abcd") :: Int -> [String]
2022-03-11 05:20:56 +0100 <lambdabot> Int -> [String]
2022-03-11 05:21:05 +0100 <monochrom> Oh oops.
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2022-03-11 07:17:12 +0100 <ski> > let x = 0; y = 1 in x * y -- "Yeah manual ; turns off layout parsing and so explicit {} is also called for."
2022-03-11 07:17:13 +0100 <lambdabot> 0
2022-03-11 07:19:30 +0100 <ski> the absurd pattern is the neutral element of the disjunctive pattern, just like the wildcard ("don't care"/"anything goes") pattern is the neutral element of the conjunctive pattern (of which the "as"-pattern, `<var>@<pat>', is a special case). (conjunctive patterns would be more useful, with `ViewPatterns', or `PatternSynonyms')
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2022-03-11 08:26:15 +0100 <tomsmeding> byorgey: yes, that's precisely what I mean! Thanks for the example, that's even an application of TTG :)
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2022-03-11 10:02:21 +0100 <haskelln00b> I only just ran across the super-helpful https://web.archive.org/web/20160321231319/http://haskell.cs.yale.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/h…
2022-03-11 10:02:25 +0100 <haskelln00b> great overview of the story at that point
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2022-03-11 10:02:29 +0100 <haskelln00b> it makes me wonder if there is a "10 years on" retrospective from then
2022-03-11 10:02:42 +0100LiaoTao(~LiaoTao@gateway/tor-sasl/liaotao)
2022-03-11 10:02:43 +0100 <haskelln00b> from authors who have an equally comprehensive view of what happened in the decade since
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2022-03-11 10:17:15 +0100 <kuribas> gtraverse seems to restrictive: gftraverse :: forall t (f :: Type -> Type) (g :: Type -> Type) m. (Applicative m, Generic (t f), Generic (t g), GFTraversable (Curried (Yoneda m)) f g (Rep (t f)) (Rep (t g))) => (forall a. f a -> m (g a)) -> t f -> m (t g)
2022-03-11 10:17:24 +0100 <kuribas> I need f :: (k -> Type)
2022-03-11 10:18:54 +0100 <kuribas> bug?
2022-03-11 10:19:04 +0100 <kuribas> FTraversable has : FTraversable (t :: (k -> Type) -> Type) where
2022-03-11 10:19:18 +0100 <kuribas> https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hkd-0.1/docs/Data-HKD.html#t:FTraversable
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2022-03-11 10:37:46 +0100 <kuribas> is the default kind *, or k ?
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2022-03-11 10:38:18 +0100 <kuribas> for example: f in https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hkd-0.1/docs/Data-HKD.html#v:ftraverse_
2022-03-11 10:39:27 +0100DNH(~DNH@2a02:8108:1100:16d8:844b:b51a:d0ea:add8)
2022-03-11 10:40:24 +0100 <kuribas> Or a in (forall a. f a).
2022-03-11 10:40:32 +0100 <kuribas> does a have kind * or k?
2022-03-11 10:41:10 +0100 <romesrf> i think f :: * -> *
2022-03-11 10:41:36 +0100 <romesrf> however, with levity polymorphism, you can say that f :: k -> k
2022-03-11 10:41:46 +0100 <romesrf> but I'm really not sure
2022-03-11 10:42:08 +0100 <romesrf> I have to re read the paper on levity polymorphism bc I didn't grok it all the first time around
2022-03-11 10:42:27 +0100 <romesrf> kuribas: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/levity-pldi17.pdf
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2022-03-11 10:43:49 +0100 <romesrf> I believe you'll find your answer there
2022-03-11 10:44:05 +0100 <kuribas> err...
2022-03-11 10:44:10 +0100 <kuribas> that's a lot of text
2022-03-11 10:44:32 +0100 <kuribas> I just want to know the default.
2022-03-11 10:45:14 +0100 <romesrf> kuribas: quoting the paper
2022-03-11 10:45:40 +0100 <romesrf> symbol "*" is the kind of ordinary types
2022-03-11 10:46:02 +0100 <romesrf> when you say f :: * -> * I believe it's the same as f :: Type -> Type
2022-03-11 10:46:09 +0100 <kuribas> I know...
2022-03-11 10:46:16 +0100 <romesrf> when you say f :: k -> k it means the function is polymorphic on the kind
2022-03-11 10:46:24 +0100 <kuribas> I want to pass it a phantom type.
2022-03-11 10:46:33 +0100 <romesrf> so f would work for both ordinary types Type but also Unboxed types
2022-03-11 10:46:56 +0100 <romesrf> and by default, the kind of f there is * -> *
2022-03-11 10:47:25 +0100 <romesrf> to answer your question, I'm pretty sure the default kind is *
2022-03-11 10:47:41 +0100 <romesrf> and in (forall a. f a), a :: *
2022-03-11 10:48:39 +0100 <kuribas> didn't that change in some ghc version?
2022-03-11 10:49:54 +0100 <kuribas> type f ~> g = forall a. f a -> g a
2022-03-11 10:50:07 +0100 <kuribas> :k (~>) :: (k -> *) -> (k -> *) -> *
2022-03-11 10:50:08 +0100 <lambdabot> error:
2022-03-11 10:50:08 +0100 <lambdabot> Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘~>’
2022-03-11 10:50:08 +0100 <lambdabot> error: Not in scope: type variable ‘k’
2022-03-11 10:50:21 +0100krappix(~krappix@nat-eduroam-76-gw-01-lne.lille.inria.fr)
2022-03-11 10:50:25 +0100 <kuribas> so it does infer k in that definition...
2022-03-11 10:50:37 +0100 <romesrf> kuribas: it does seem to be k
2022-03-11 10:50:45 +0100 <romesrf> I was running tests on ghci rn
2022-03-11 10:50:54 +0100 <romesrf> I'll get back to you
2022-03-11 10:51:31 +0100 <romesrf> you need PolyKinds to type some type variable as k
2022-03-11 10:54:03 +0100 <romesrf> kuribas: :k (~>) is a good example
2022-03-11 10:54:24 +0100 <romesrf> Turns out I do not know the concrete answer
2022-03-11 10:54:34 +0100 <romesrf> however, one more observation:
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2022-03-11 10:59:46 +0100 <romesrf> nevermind I'm afraid I might be saying things without purpose
2022-03-11 11:00:07 +0100 <romesrf> a few messages before I meant kind polymorphism * not levity
2022-03-11 11:04:47 +0100 <kuribas> hrmf, and now stack doesn't want to take my changes from git...
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2022-03-11 11:04:59 +0100 <kuribas> "This may indicate that the source is a git archive which uses git-annex."
2022-03-11 11:05:08 +0100 <kuribas> thanks, very helpful, stack...
2022-03-11 11:11:42 +0100 <kuribas> haskell tooling sucks big time
2022-03-11 11:11:43 +0100Midjak(~Midjak@82.66.147.146)
2022-03-11 11:12:49 +0100 <kuribas> documentation says I can use a tarball, but there is nothing on how to specify one...
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2022-03-11 11:12:57 +0100 <sm> each tool is heroic, yet still the war goes badly!
2022-03-11 11:12:58 +0100 <kuribas> On my local file system.
2022-03-11 11:13:30 +0100 <kuribas> It'd be better if there was no stack, and all tools support cabal.
2022-03-11 11:14:07 +0100 <sm> I think lots of people act that way already. What tools don't support cabal ?
2022-03-11 11:14:49 +0100 <kuribas> intellij
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2022-03-11 11:15:34 +0100 <sm> I never managed to get intellij to work, certainly not at the level vs code does now
2022-03-11 11:17:17 +0100 <kuribas> vscode doesn't work for me. It crashes on TH.
2022-03-11 11:17:19 +0100smswitched from idea to vs code for haskell (and later, everything...)
2022-03-11 11:17:29 +0100 <kuribas> Anyway, I use emacs :) stack if for my colleages.
2022-03-11 11:18:11 +0100 <sm> stack is still my workhorse. I like its UX.
2022-03-11 11:18:30 +0100 <sm> it's undermaintained now though
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2022-03-11 11:18:40 +0100 <kuribas> it expects everyone to use stack.
2022-03-11 11:19:13 +0100 <maerwald> kuribas: vscode crashes on TH?
2022-03-11 11:19:17 +0100 <maerwald> you mean HLS?
2022-03-11 11:19:30 +0100 <kuribas> yes
2022-03-11 11:19:36 +0100 <maerwald> compile it from soure
2022-03-11 11:19:46 +0100 <maerwald> you probably have ABI mismatch
2022-03-11 11:19:49 +0100 <kuribas> and this stack issue is 2019, guess 2 years is to short to solve it...
2022-03-11 11:20:12 +0100 <maerwald> kuribas: the next HLS release will be dynamically linked and check GHC ABI
2022-03-11 11:20:20 +0100 <maerwald> that should remove some of those TH issues
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2022-03-11 11:20:31 +0100 <maerwald> the alternative is to build it yourself
2022-03-11 11:20:37 +0100 <kuribas> maerwald: I really don't want to spend more time in tooling.
2022-03-11 11:20:45 +0100 <maerwald> building HLS is easy with ghcup
2022-03-11 11:21:07 +0100 <kuribas> like half a day to setup an editor, to find out it doesn't work.
2022-03-11 11:21:38 +0100hololeap(~hololeap@user/hololeap)
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2022-03-11 11:23:29 +0100 <maerwald> good news then... vscode extension will soon use ghcup to install a dynamically linked HLS
2022-03-11 11:24:05 +0100 <kuribas> maerwald: great I'll try HLS in a few months, and then wait a few months more if it doesn't work.
2022-03-11 11:24:38 +0100 <maerwald> stack is on life-support so the experience will only get worse
2022-03-11 11:25:19 +0100 <ski> haskelln00b : your link got cut off at the end
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2022-03-11 11:28:24 +0100 <kuribas> ah, a local tarball isn't even supported, I have to upload it somewhere...
2022-03-11 11:28:39 +0100 <kuribas> yay, it's working!
2022-03-11 11:28:58 +0100 <sm> kuribas: just curious, what are you doing ?
2022-03-11 11:29:41 +0100 <maerwald> kuribas: did you specify the local tarball with file:///patth?
2022-03-11 11:29:45 +0100 <kuribas> yeah
2022-03-11 11:29:53 +0100 <kuribas> sm: adding a fix to hkd
2022-03-11 11:30:02 +0100 <kuribas> sm: to use in my project.
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2022-03-11 11:32:33 +0100 <kuribas> yay, the deriving works now!
2022-03-11 11:33:25 +0100 <maerwald> kuribas: did you try without file://?
2022-03-11 11:33:34 +0100 <kuribas> yeah, that didn't work.
2022-03-11 11:33:59 +0100 <maerwald> odd
2022-03-11 11:34:32 +0100 <juhp[m]> Anyone use vterm btw for example in Emacs? I am not sure why, seems haskeline does not work work well in vterm afaict
2022-03-11 11:34:36 +0100 <fockerized> do people use vector+lens for easy mutable vector updates,much like array modifications in imperative languages?
2022-03-11 11:35:36 +0100 <juhp[m]> (maybe haskeline does not recognise vterm as a terminal?)
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2022-03-11 11:41:09 +0100 <kuribas> fockerized: what does lens give you compared to indexing?
2022-03-11 11:41:21 +0100 <kuribas> fockerized: I use the functions provided by vector.
2022-03-11 11:42:56 +0100 <fockerized> kuribas: vector API are quite cumblesome
2022-03-11 11:43:11 +0100 <kuribas> I found it quite ok.
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2022-03-11 11:43:18 +0100 <fockerized> kuribas: for example, i have use 'write' to write something
2022-03-11 11:43:27 +0100 <fockerized> very verbose
2022-03-11 11:43:35 +0100 <kuribas> to seems right :)
2022-03-11 11:43:59 +0100 <kuribas> that
2022-03-11 11:44:13 +0100 <maerwald> Vector is ok
2022-03-11 11:44:24 +0100 <maerwald> Array is horrible
2022-03-11 11:45:03 +0100 <fockerized> and 'modify' to modify something. in c like languages, you know arry[1]=..
2022-03-11 11:45:19 +0100 <fockerized> so i'm guessing the lens api can offer some help
2022-03-11 11:45:25 +0100 <fockerized> but not sure of its performances
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2022-03-11 11:47:26 +0100 <kuribas> no, lenses are for deeply nested structures.
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2022-03-11 11:48:13 +0100 <fockerized> i see their sample code snippets are all used for shallow structures
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2022-03-11 12:13:38 +0100 <jackdk> lenses can be used for deeply nested structures, but you can use them for shallow structures too
2022-03-11 12:14:05 +0100 <jackdk> and to traverse across the `Char`s in a `Text` an the `a`s in a `[a]` in a uniform way
2022-03-11 12:14:14 +0100 <jackdk> and to set the bits in an `Int`
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2022-03-11 12:24:42 +0100 <byorgey> fockerized: I'm not convinced that using lens would get you more concise syntax for mutable array updates
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2022-03-11 12:25:50 +0100 <kuribas> jackdk: you can, but is it worth the complexity?
2022-03-11 12:26:05 +0100 <byorgey> but in general, libraries like 'vector' are set up to make it easy to do operations on entire arrays (map, scan, etc.), not to set individual elements one by one
2022-03-11 12:26:57 +0100 <byorgey> if you find yourself doing lots of individual write operations at particular indices, it's worth asking whether there's a higher-level way to think about whatever you're doing
2022-03-11 12:27:09 +0100 <byorgey> though sometimes it's not easily avoidable.
2022-03-11 12:27:24 +0100 <jackdk> kuribas: for me? yes.
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2022-03-11 13:56:42 +0100 <kuribas> How can I use "Type" instead of "*"?
2022-03-11 13:56:49 +0100 <kuribas> is there an import?
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2022-03-11 13:57:00 +0100 <dminuoso> set -XStarIsType
2022-03-11 13:57:27 +0100 <kuribas> thanks :)
2022-03-11 13:57:28 +0100 <dminuoso> It should be on by default
2022-03-11 13:57:48 +0100mncheckm(~mncheck@193.224.205.254) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-03-11 13:58:06 +0100 <lortabac> IIRC it's in Data.Kind
2022-03-11 13:58:09 +0100 <geekosaur> I think you might need to import it still though
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2022-03-11 13:58:31 +0100 <kuribas> right
2022-03-11 13:58:33 +0100 <geekosaur> and isn't that backwards? -XNoStarIsType to force it to us4e Type instead of * ?
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2022-03-11 13:59:48 +0100 <kuribas> Now I am confused why it is useful?
2022-03-11 13:59:55 +0100 <kuribas> XStarIsType
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2022-03-11 14:00:32 +0100 <geekosaur> that's just how things used to work
2022-03-11 14:00:55 +0100 <geekosaur> I think the Report may speak of kinds that way, although standard Haskel lhas no way to express them?
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2022-03-11 14:34:19 +0100 <kuribas> How do you dispatch on a type in a GADT?
2022-03-11 14:34:51 +0100 <kuribas> Do I need to make a second, "type witness" datatype?
2022-03-11 14:36:04 +0100 <kuribas> I guess haskell sucks as a dependently typed language...
2022-03-11 14:38:00 +0100 <geekosaur> yep
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2022-03-11 14:42:38 +0100 <kuribas> ah, stackoverflow post confirms it's impossible.
2022-03-11 14:42:44 +0100 <kuribas> without type classes.
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2022-03-11 14:45:49 +0100 <siers> what does "dispatch" mean?
2022-03-11 14:47:15 +0100 <kuribas> to pick an implementation based on the type.
2022-03-11 14:47:55 +0100 <geekosaur> only typeclasses can do that, yeh
2022-03-11 14:48:22 +0100 <kuribas> even if the type is an exhaustive phantom type...
2022-03-11 14:48:24 +0100 <kuribas> like Bool
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2022-03-11 14:48:39 +0100 <dminuoso> You can think of typeclasses as type-level case-of
2022-03-11 14:48:59 +0100 <dminuoso> With each instance providing a branch
2022-03-11 14:49:28 +0100 <dminuoso> kuribas: Sure, at the end GADTs are just generalized ADTs. But fundamentally they still only allow you to case-of on data constructors.
2022-03-11 14:49:50 +0100 <siers> is there a world where the type-level programming resembles regular (value) programming more?
2022-03-11 14:50:00 +0100 <kuribas> siers: dependent types.
2022-03-11 14:50:10 +0100 <kuribas> siers: idris, agda, coq, ...
2022-03-11 14:50:35 +0100 <siers> hm, ok
2022-03-11 14:50:42 +0100 <kuribas> it doesn't not resemble value programming, it "is" value programming.
2022-03-11 14:50:43 +0100 <siers> but it has type-classes too, no?
2022-03-11 14:50:57 +0100 <kuribas> yes, interfaces.
2022-03-11 14:51:04 +0100 <kuribas> But they are not fundamental.
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2022-03-11 14:51:19 +0100 <kuribas> They are built on proof search.
2022-03-11 14:51:33 +0100 <siers> but then "type-classes are type-level case-of" and the resemblence is lost?
2022-03-11 14:51:53 +0100 <kuribas> indeed
2022-03-11 14:52:04 +0100 <siers> that was what I kind of was getting at
2022-03-11 14:52:22 +0100 <siers> (I have written a small amount of agda with peano number functions, but I hope this summer I'll have time to write something more substantial)
2022-03-11 14:54:08 +0100 <kuribas> Is there a way to remove a constraint?
2022-03-11 14:54:34 +0100 <kuribas> Like : Num a => a => forall a. Maybe a ?
2022-03-11 14:54:51 +0100 <kuribas> turn (Num a => a) into (forall a. Maybe a)?
2022-03-11 14:55:48 +0100 <siers> well, it requires the Num instance, so you need that code
2022-03-11 14:56:24 +0100 <kuribas> yeah, it's open ended.
2022-03-11 14:56:30 +0100 <dminuoso> siers: In the lambda cube, we have polymorphism as `terms binding types` (think id @Int), type operators as `types binding types` (think Maybe :: Type -> Type), and then you have `types binding terms` as dependent types.
2022-03-11 14:57:13 +0100 <dminuoso> So in something like idris or agda you can have all the fun with all the consequences.
2022-03-11 14:57:30 +0100 <siers> :) funny phrasing
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2022-03-11 14:57:38 +0100 <siers> kuribas, what do you mean by that?
2022-03-11 14:58:00 +0100 <kuribas> that the behaviour depends on the call site.
2022-03-11 14:58:09 +0100 <siers> dminuoso, did you read some book about to learn about the lambda cube?
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2022-03-11 15:00:01 +0100 <dminuoso> I picked it up across various resources. Some books and papers referenced it
2022-03-11 15:00:33 +0100 <siers> is there something "canonical" (hope i'm using this right) that lays it out effectively?
2022-03-11 15:01:01 +0100 <siers> dminuoso, and this is supposed to answer my question about "why isn't the type-level lingo more like regular programming lingo?" or?
2022-03-11 15:02:26 +0100 <kuribas> siers: in haskell or idris?
2022-03-11 15:02:33 +0100 <siers> (I hope I don't come off as impolite :), I can't tell)
2022-03-11 15:02:50 +0100 <kuribas> in haskell, you can write "type Foo = Bar 1"
2022-03-11 15:02:57 +0100 <kuribas> then type is a "type synonym".
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2022-03-11 15:03:21 +0100 <kuribas> In idris, it's just a value "Foo : Type; Foo = Bar 1"
2022-03-11 15:03:32 +0100 <kuribas> so the "lingo" is not necessary.
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2022-03-11 15:16:48 +0100 <siers> is that with DataKinds?
2022-03-11 15:17:06 +0100 <kuribas> there are no DataKinds in idris.
2022-03-11 15:17:20 +0100 <siers> > in haskell, you can write "type Foo = Bar 1"
2022-03-11 15:17:21 +0100 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘in’
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2022-03-11 15:18:21 +0100 <geekosaur> DataKinds is kinda the first step toward trying to Idris-ize Haskell. we have a very long way to go, though
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2022-03-11 15:25:34 +0100 <siers> I have had this question at the back of my mind for a while: if you're writing in some dependently typed language, I understand you can encode/prove all sorts of mathematical proofs
2022-03-11 15:25:36 +0100 <siers> Then you must be also able to encode probably all invariants you want about your algo and potentially squash a bunch of bugs? :)
2022-03-11 15:25:53 +0100 <kuribas> siers: you can prove anything in idris.
2022-03-11 15:26:00 +0100 <siers> * :D
2022-03-11 15:26:07 +0100 <kuribas> however, wether it is sustainable is another question.
2022-03-11 15:26:10 +0100 <siers> agda also?
2022-03-11 15:26:14 +0100 <siers> yes, sustainability aside
2022-03-11 15:26:16 +0100 <kuribas> sure
2022-03-11 15:26:28 +0100 <siers> So long as you've actually encoded what you had in mind
2022-03-11 15:26:29 +0100 <kuribas> you can prove anything of math in idris/agda/...
2022-03-11 15:26:54 +0100 <siers> well, you don't have the law of excluded middle, apparently, so not quite everything
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2022-03-11 15:29:09 +0100 <siers> at least I've heard that much and I can imagine that will hurt having seen enough mathematics to know that proof by contradiction is used often enough in textbooks
2022-03-11 15:29:29 +0100 <kuribas> you can do proof by contradiction in idris.
2022-03-11 15:30:02 +0100 <siers> ! amazing, I have outdated info
2022-03-11 15:30:08 +0100 <kuribas> if you can prove a contradiction, you can prove anything.
2022-03-11 15:30:09 +0100 <kuribas> :t void
2022-03-11 15:30:10 +0100 <lambdabot> Functor f => f a -> f ()
2022-03-11 15:30:15 +0100 <kuribas> :t absurd
2022-03-11 15:30:16 +0100 <lambdabot> Void -> a
2022-03-11 15:30:19 +0100 <Franciman> neado
2022-03-11 15:30:41 +0100 <Franciman> it's hard to get to absurd, but when you get there
2022-03-11 15:30:43 +0100 <janus> kuribas: what do you mean by 'anything of math'? i thought the constructive approach was different than how much mathematicians work?
2022-03-11 15:30:49 +0100 <Franciman> you'll be granted godlike powers
2022-03-11 15:31:05 +0100 <kuribas> janus: oh well, I am not an expert...
2022-03-11 15:31:36 +0100 <janus> ok just checking.. i think it's worth noting
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2022-03-11 15:32:58 +0100 <siers> logic is tough
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2022-03-11 15:34:45 +0100 <Franciman> logic is tough for the hard users of it
2022-03-11 15:34:58 +0100 <Franciman> if you are an outsider to logic and have learnt your whole life to reason about your flawed reasonings
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2022-03-11 15:35:19 +0100 <Franciman> then logic is something you are familiar with, since you've been processing your whole life reasonings as well
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2022-03-11 15:44:39 +0100 <kuribas> ah great, I found a work-around.
2022-03-11 15:44:55 +0100 <kuribas> Basically, as long as there is a GADT around to restrict the types, GHC is happy.
2022-03-11 15:45:07 +0100 <kuribas> So a bit of boilerplate, and it works :)
2022-03-11 15:50:56 +0100 <lortabac> kuribas: depending on what you are doing, at some point you may need an existential or a continuation to unrefine the type
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2022-03-11 16:36:35 +0100 <Jason> Hello, I am unable to find the haskell-gsoc channel, can anybody point me at the right direction?
2022-03-11 16:41:09 +0100 <geekosaur> I think it hasn't been reconstituted on libera yet, since it's still in the planning phase. I'd ask at committee@haskell.org and also point out to them summer.haskell.org still points to freenode :)
2022-03-11 16:42:08 +0100 <Jason> I will do that, thanks for the info.
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2022-03-11 17:20:06 +0100 <mcgroin> How are linked list represented in haskell?
2022-03-11 17:20:34 +0100 <mcgroin> define some custom data type?
2022-03-11 17:20:52 +0100 <mcgroin> or are there some well known library
2022-03-11 17:23:24 +0100 <lortabac> mcgroin: there is a standard list type, whose constructors are [] and (:)
2022-03-11 17:23:28 +0100 <geekosaur> a normla list is a linked list. if you want an array there is Array, there is Vector, there are others
2022-03-11 17:23:56 +0100 <lortabac> it also has syntactic sugar so you can write [1, 2, 3] instead of 1 : 2 : 3 : []
2022-03-11 17:24:29 +0100 <merijn> mcgroin: The standard list *is* a linked list :)
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2022-03-11 17:25:01 +0100 <merijn> You can easily define your own with slightly different syntax, though
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2022-03-11 17:28:09 +0100 <mcgroin> i see
2022-03-11 17:30:13 +0100 <xpika> hello! first time on libera chat. just testing it works.
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2022-03-11 18:07:04 +0100 <fockerized> xpika: hello i'm using weechat, also on libera
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2022-03-11 18:23:09 +0100 <Articus> Hi, I installed XMonad through stack, I'm having issues with this, help about this would be awesome. Now xmessage appears when there are errors, but doesn't show any message also whith xmonad --recompile, it says XMonad module not found
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2022-03-11 18:25:34 +0100 <geekosaur> you need a stack.yaml to go along with the xmonad.hs, to tell xmonad --recompile to get its dependencies from stack
2022-03-11 18:26:45 +0100 <geekosaur> this also requires xmonad 0.17.0; it's a bit more work if you are still on 0.15. which come to think of it you will be unless you're using the nightly resolver :(
2022-03-11 18:27:48 +0100 <Articus> Should I symlink ~/.config/xmonad/stack.yaml to ~/.xmonad ?
2022-03-11 18:28:59 +0100 <Articus> It's version 0.17
2022-03-11 18:30:09 +0100 <geekosaur> if you're on 0.17 then you should probably not be using ~/.xmonad at all
2022-03-11 18:30:15 +0100 <Articus> I thought I had version 0.17 but I have 0.15
2022-03-11 18:30:27 +0100 <Articus> How do I unistall it?
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2022-03-11 18:51:23 +0100 <geekosaur> Articus, you can just remove the xmonad binary. you can then reinstall using the nightly resolver, or install it with cabal instead of stack. https://xmonad.org/INSTALL.html may be of interest
2022-03-11 18:52:01 +0100 <geekosaur> also you might want to ask in #xmonad instead of here, there are more people who know xmonad (and stack, which I don't particularly; I'm a cabal user)
2022-03-11 18:52:32 +0100 <Articus> Thanks!
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2022-03-11 19:35:30 +0100 <sm> https://www.tweag.io/blog/2022-03-11-nickel-first-release
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2022-03-11 19:51:29 +0100 <shapr> yay!
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2022-03-11 19:53:34 +0100 <maerwald> "Nickel targets Nix" that's where I stopped reading :p
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2022-03-11 19:59:27 +0100 <sm> it's general purpose, not only for nix
2022-03-11 19:59:30 +0100 <sm> looks like a more practical dhall
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2022-03-11 20:19:14 +0100 <lechner> sm: hi, i like it! maybe i'll try using it in places where dhall scared me. is nickel as capable?
2022-03-11 20:19:57 +0100 <sm> check it out lechner, it's 0.1 but looks powerful
2022-03-11 20:20:07 +0100 <ski> siers : proof-by-contradiction is distinct from (direct) proof-of-negation
2022-03-11 20:20:13 +0100 <sm> more powerful perhaps (contracts)
2022-03-11 20:20:58 +0100 <maerwald> sm: dhall tries to be so simple so hard, that it's kinda unergonomic, imo
2022-03-11 20:21:23 +0100 <sm> lots of boilerplate, it seems
2022-03-11 20:21:34 +0100 <sm> in dhall
2022-03-11 20:21:55 +0100 <lechner> yeah, i have stayed away so far
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2022-03-11 20:22:11 +0100 <sm> (I don't use these things, just a spectator)
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2022-03-11 20:31:12 +0100 <lechner> BTW, for anyone using Debian bullseye/stable: I hope to start making backports availablesoon. Right now, it's just GHC 8.10.7.
2022-03-11 20:31:31 +0100 <lechner> https://haskell-backports.debian.net/
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2022-03-11 20:49:06 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> I'm installing llvm through brew on a Mac Book Pro M1 (because ghcup said I need it). It's taking forever. Is this expected? I guess I'm surprised there's not a binary distribution of llvm.
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2022-03-11 20:50:02 +0100 <geekosaur> if it's compiling it, yes, it'll take a while. I thought they did have prebuilt binaries though
2022-03-11 20:50:22 +0100 <geekosaur> but I haven't used a Mac in along time and never used brew
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2022-03-11 20:50:58 +0100 <maerwald> tomjaguarpaw: yeah, I use brew on gitlab GHC CI too to install llvm. Not sure why there are no binaries yet
2022-03-11 20:51:22 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> It's making my Mac hot, which has never happened before.
2022-03-11 20:52:28 +0100 <maerwald> well, if you fancy, you can use nix on mac, there's probably some build cache
2022-03-11 20:52:46 +0100 <maerwald> and 20 hours of problem fixing along the way
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2022-03-11 20:53:19 +0100 <hololeap> llvm takes 3 hours to build on my old box, you'll be fine
2022-03-11 20:54:32 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> It's got to installing!
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2022-03-11 20:55:39 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> 2336 seconds elapsed, so 40 minutes? This is mostly for compiling llvm, but also for installing some dependent packages.
2022-03-11 20:55:52 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> Ah well, now I can install ghc and try to diagnose https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/tbn46e/out_of_memory_when_building_productprofunctors/
2022-03-11 20:55:55 +0100 <geekosaur> yeh, llvm's *big*
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2022-03-11 20:56:46 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> Um, now that I've looked, it seems that llvm is already in /usr/bin?
2022-03-11 20:57:13 +0100 <geekosaur> there are smallpieces of llvm but it'sincomplete
2022-03-11 20:57:22 +0100 <geekosaur> apple has always shipped llvm that way ime
2022-03-11 20:57:41 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> Ah, I see
2022-03-11 20:57:51 +0100Lord_of_Life_(~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915)
2022-03-11 20:57:51 +0100 <geekosaur> in particular opt is missing/incomplete
2022-03-11 20:58:01 +0100 <maerwald> they ship broken toolchain? Sounds like apple.
2022-03-11 20:58:18 +0100 <geekosaur> thye ship just enough toolchain to keep their portof clang happy
2022-03-11 20:58:28 +0100 <geekosaur> but it uses the library versions instead of the standalone ones
2022-03-11 20:58:51 +0100 <geekosaur> so opt and lld are usually missing or unusable
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2022-03-11 21:03:53 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> over successfulInstallationsViaGhcup (+) RealWorld
2022-03-11 21:04:01 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> Thanks maerwald !
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2022-03-11 21:05:29 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> Oh, that should be (+ 1)
2022-03-11 21:05:45 +0100 <maerwald> are you running 8.10.7?
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2022-03-11 21:10:45 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> Yes I am. Whatever was the default.
2022-03-11 21:11:00 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> Or rather, yes I am, because it was the default.
2022-03-11 21:11:17 +0100yauhsien(~yauhsien@61-231-43-120.dynamic-ip.hinet.net)
2022-03-11 21:12:57 +0100 <maerwald> 9.2.1 has native codegen, but I think it's broken?
2022-03-11 21:13:26 +0100 <maerwald> maybe 9.2.2 is better
2022-03-11 21:13:27 +0100bliminse(~bliminse@host86-156-84-211.range86-156.btcentralplus.com)
2022-03-11 21:13:30 +0100 <geekosaur> yes. but 9.2.2 is out and should be fixed
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2022-03-11 21:20:11 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> Ah well, I can't reproduce the bug.
2022-03-11 21:21:37 +0100raehik(~raehik@cpc95906-rdng25-2-0-cust156.15-3.cable.virginm.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022-03-11 21:21:44 +0100 <maerwald> blame the user, close the ticket!
2022-03-11 21:22:50 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> Interesting, 9.2.2 seems to use significantly less memory.
2022-03-11 21:23:51 +0100raehik(~raehik@cpc95906-rdng25-2-0-cust156.15-3.cable.virginm.net)
2022-03-11 21:24:12 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> Haha, cabal using a funny compression scheme in its store. Seems to strip out all the vowels. prdct-prfnctrs FTW!
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2022-03-11 21:24:56 +0100 <sclv> https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/7209
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2022-03-11 21:27:35 +0100 <tomjaguarpaw> Cunning
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