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2021-09-26 01:10:45 +0200 <sm> how do you disable `--` being converted to em's when converting from org with pandoc ?
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2021-09-26 06:55:33 +0200 <hololeap> type instance forall key. BPMKeyConstraint (MapCompose map f) key = BPMKeyConstraint map key
2021-09-26 06:55:42 +0200 <hololeap> does the "forall key." here do anything special?
2021-09-26 06:58:15 +0200 <hololeap> or is it just making it explicit without changing the behavior?
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2021-09-26 07:07:55 +0200 <Cajun> well what is in the body of the function? it could be using ScopedTypeVariables, and in that case it needs the explicit forall
2021-09-26 07:08:03 +0200 <Cajun> hololeap: ^
2021-09-26 07:08:47 +0200 <hololeap> it's not a function
2021-09-26 07:08:54 +0200 <Cajun> ah yeah didnt see that
2021-09-26 07:09:05 +0200 <Cajun> its also useful to sometimes put it in because when using TypeApplications, it will apply to the first type variable, so in that case `key` will be applied first
2021-09-26 07:10:17 +0200 <hololeap> yeah, I just wasn't sure if it was going to have any other side effects. I put it there to a) see if it worked that way b) remind me that `key` isn't bound somewhere else
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2021-09-26 17:07:27 +0200 <timCF> Hello! Is there some standard integral type similar to `Natural` but which excludes zero?
2021-09-26 17:07:32 +0200hyiltiz(~quassel@31.220.5.250)
2021-09-26 17:07:32 +0200 <janus> what is this instance useful for? instance Semigroup a => Semigroup (M a) where
2021-09-26 17:07:51 +0200 <[exa]> janus: depending on what's M
2021-09-26 17:08:06 +0200 <merijn> timCF: Probably not
2021-09-26 17:08:21 +0200 <janus> aaah so it's just saying that the M is whatever type is being defined, the actual code is not like that
2021-09-26 17:08:26 +0200 <timCF> merijn: thanks for reply anyway!
2021-09-26 17:08:47 +0200 <merijn> timCF: Seems fairly obscure, so wouldn't expect a "standard" type for that
2021-09-26 17:08:54 +0200 <hpc> you can always newtype ZPlus = PlusOne {minusOne :: Natural} and define all the instances
2021-09-26 17:09:04 +0200 <hpc> might be a lot of work though
2021-09-26 17:09:28 +0200 <[exa]> janus: it says that you can make Semigroup functionality for M (probably a container of) a if `a` is already a semigroup (i.e. supports <> )
2021-09-26 17:09:29 +0200 <merijn> janus: What it is saying is that "M a" is an instance of Semigroup *iff* 'a' is an instance of Semigroup
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2021-09-26 17:10:15 +0200 <[exa]> janus: if substituing M for Maybe, you'd automatically have `Just x <> Just y` working if `x<>y` would be working
2021-09-26 17:10:43 +0200 <merijn> > (Sum 1, Any True) <> (Sum 3, Any False)
2021-09-26 17:10:44 +0200 <lambdabot> (Sum {getSum = 4},Any {getAny = True})
2021-09-26 17:11:21 +0200 <merijn> janus: This works because "instance (Semigroup a, Semigroup b) => Semigroup (a, b)" (i.e. "if both elements of a tuple are instances of Semigroup, the tuple is also an instance of Semigroup)
2021-09-26 17:13:32 +0200 <janus> it's from a thread with Gabriella Gonzalez where they talk about preferring that over basing on Alternative: https://twitter.com/GabriellaG439/status/1436722080502849539
2021-09-26 17:14:32 +0200 <janus> i am trying to understand the different directions one might go , e.g. Brian McKenna argues for not defining it since one can use Ap
2021-09-26 17:14:50 +0200 <janus> i never used Ap, i always find people golfing with it
2021-09-26 17:16:39 +0200 <merijn> janus: Ah, ok, yeah, I see what you're getting at (and I think Brian is wrong)
2021-09-26 17:16:58 +0200[itchyjunk](~itchyjunk@user/itchyjunk/x-7353470)
2021-09-26 17:17:19 +0200 <merijn> janus: Ok, so in theory, defining a universal "instance (Semigroup a, Applicative f) => Semigroup (f a)" is perfectly fine
2021-09-26 17:17:28 +0200 <merijn> That is a lawful instance
2021-09-26 17:17:43 +0200 <merijn> However, it has the downside that some Applicatives might want *different* monoidal behaviour
2021-09-26 17:18:18 +0200 <merijn> And that generic instance overlaps (and thus makes impossible) any custom instances for specific applicatives. Which is why it doesn't exist
2021-09-26 17:18:42 +0200kuribas(~user@ptr-25vy0i70h84gschr3z1.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be) (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.3))
2021-09-26 17:19:03 +0200 <merijn> The Ap newtype exists to implement that generic instance, without overlapping any (future/possible) custom instances for specific 'f'
2021-09-26 17:19:24 +0200 <merijn> But, as Gabriella says, that's super verbose and annoying to use
2021-09-26 17:19:52 +0200 <merijn> the only real reason *not* to define the "liftA2 (<>)" instance is "if another one makes more sense:
2021-09-26 17:20:52 +0200 <merijn> "because it's much more convenient and pleasant to use" seems a pretty solid argument to rebuke Brian's "why reimplement the generic case"
2021-09-26 17:23:46 +0200 <janus> ok, that does seem sensible
2021-09-26 17:24:11 +0200 <janus> the reason we have to reason with ergonomics, is it because Alt/Alternative are underspecified like phadej argues?
2021-09-26 17:24:53 +0200 <janus> visible in this thread: https://twitter.com/chrislpenner/status/1437113257920274440
2021-09-26 17:26:00 +0200 <merijn> janus: Alternative and Monoid don't always correspond
2021-09-26 17:26:42 +0200 <merijn> Simple example where lawful Alternative and Monoid do the different thing: Parsers (I think attoparsec has these instances?)
2021-09-26 17:27:03 +0200 <merijn> "parser1 <> parser2" -> parse both and <> their results
2021-09-26 17:27:20 +0200 <merijn> vs "parser1 <|> parser2" -> parse left, if it fails, try right
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2021-09-26 17:30:42 +0200 <maerwald> question is whether <|> backtracks or not
2021-09-26 17:31:41 +0200 <janus> so that is the 'underspecification' applied to parsers?
2021-09-26 17:32:29 +0200juhp(~juhp@118.200.109.69)
2021-09-26 17:32:45 +0200 <maerwald> sometimes it may be better to roll your own combinators
2021-09-26 17:33:12 +0200 <janus> right, that is the argument "I believe some other people think that these Semigroup/Monoid instances should not be added (to avoid potentially confusing errors)" mentioned by Gabriella
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2021-09-26 17:34:19 +0200 <timCF> I'm having a difficult time trying to give a name for this function.. `Integral b => (a -> b) -> Ratio a -> Ratio b`
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2021-09-26 17:37:37 +0200 <janus> merijn: i gather you mention that Alternative and Monoid do not correspond because you think that situation is all right, rigght? it is a demonstration that when choosing whether the Semigroup should match Monoid or Alternative, better choose Monoid. correct?
2021-09-26 17:38:03 +0200 <[exa]> timCF: ratioMap ?
2021-09-26 17:39:11 +0200 <timCF> [exa]: thanks) Or `fromRatio` maybe
2021-09-26 17:39:35 +0200 <[exa]> fromX sound a bit like auto-conversions always, this is not autoconversion
2021-09-26 17:40:10 +0200 <[exa]> (like, I'd expect fromRatio to also produce floats)
2021-09-26 17:42:11 +0200 <janus> i wonder if this whole discussion is very different in purescript since they have so much more granular type classes :P but that is off-topic for here :P
2021-09-26 17:42:58 +0200 <merijn> janus: The thing is, there are many valid (as in lawful) Alternatives/Monoids for most types
2021-09-26 17:43:35 +0200 <merijn> janus: Specifically, "Monoid a => Monoid (f a)" says something about 'f a' values
2021-09-26 17:43:50 +0200 <merijn> Whereas "instance Alternative f" says something about type 'f'
2021-09-26 17:44:39 +0200 <merijn> Alternative and Monoid have the same laws, but they are statements/properties of different things and so the only reason why they are sometimes the same as coincidence flowing from the fact that the laws are the same
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2021-09-26 17:45:50 +0200 <merijn> Note that With "instance (Applicative f, Monoid a) => Monoid (f a) where mempty = pure mempty" we need the Monoid on 'a' to have a "default" value to lift via pure
2021-09-26 17:45:57 +0200 <merijn> :t empty
2021-09-26 17:45:58 +0200 <lambdabot> Alternative f => f a
2021-09-26 17:46:18 +0200 <merijn> Whereas alternative says "I can create an empty, regardless of whether 'a' has some kinda monoidal operation"
2021-09-26 17:46:27 +0200 <merijn> (i.e. something like Nothing)
2021-09-26 17:46:51 +0200brettgilio(~brettgili@x-node.gq)
2021-09-26 17:47:43 +0200 <janus> right, so just the fact that they have the same laws but different names rub people the wrong way if they take the 'lawless classes are bad' religion to its extreme
2021-09-26 17:48:30 +0200 <janus> but how does that interact with having smaller type classes, which i think phadej shows wouldn't make sense? the smaller type classes do not change the amount of laws, right?
2021-09-26 17:48:57 +0200 <merijn> I didn't see phadej's comment about that?
2021-09-26 17:49:59 +0200Guest71(~Guest71@217.155.92.24)
2021-09-26 17:50:35 +0200 <janus> if you scroll down on the last 'chrislpenner' link that i posted, it shows e.g. this tweet "That paves a road to adding [...] CommotativeMonoid" https://twitter.com/phadej/status/1440004818098065410
2021-09-26 17:50:57 +0200 <janus> *Commutative
2021-09-26 17:52:11 +0200 <merijn> It's not that they make sense, but adding infinitely many tiny classes makes it a pain in the ass to define custom datatypes since you need to define 50 billion instances
2021-09-26 17:52:39 +0200 <merijn> So there is a cost-benefit relation to "have useful is a class" vs "the hassle of making everyone implement it"
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2021-09-26 17:53:03 +0200 <merijn> purescript certainly moves into the direction of "more finegrained classes", but I'm not sure that's necessarily better for users
2021-09-26 17:53:14 +0200 <merijn> More classes to learn, more classes to implement
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2021-09-26 17:56:18 +0200 <janus> yeah, i need to just write more purescript to find out, i guess (heathen!). not intuitively clear to me how e.g. "Apply for Maps" is useful like chrislpenner mentions
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2021-09-26 18:34:37 +0200 <sshine> I think that if many more classes were the better option, those alternative mathy preludes would've prevailed more.
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2021-09-26 19:19:46 +0200 <ryantrinkle> does anyone know how to get cabal to produce a plan.json file?
2021-09-26 19:20:03 +0200 <sclv> i think it always does with v2 build??
2021-09-26 19:20:46 +0200 <sclv> https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/nix-local-build.html#caching
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2021-09-26 19:22:00 +0200 <ryantrinkle> nvm looks like --dry-run does it
2021-09-26 19:22:05 +0200 <ryantrinkle> thanks :)
2021-09-26 19:24:13 +0200 <[exa]> any users of llvm-hs-pure? is there any good way to construct complicated phi nodes without totally abusing `mdo`? Problem: I need to construct a `phi` instruction in the beginning of a block, but the Operand I need gets only created by the last instruction.
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2021-09-26 19:33:12 +0200 <[exa]> hm this might be IRBuilder specific
2021-09-26 19:35:58 +0200 <c_wraith> that's... not abusing mdo
2021-09-26 19:36:06 +0200 <c_wraith> that's what it exists to do
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2021-09-26 19:45:16 +0200 <[exa]> so something like
2021-09-26 19:45:48 +0200 <[exa]> metadata <- traverse (buildBlockWithMetadata metadata) blockDescriptions
2021-09-26 19:45:56 +0200 <[exa]> ... should just work™ within a mdo ?
2021-09-26 19:46:59 +0200 <c_wraith> depending on strictness, yes
2021-09-26 19:47:01 +0200 <davean> Thats the point
2021-09-26 19:47:12 +0200 <davean> But yes, strictness
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2021-09-26 19:48:20 +0200 <[exa]> it's mostly for phi nodes so the result will mainly contain the autoincrement values of some variable counters
2021-09-26 19:48:44 +0200 <[exa]> and they won't be really needed until much later the thing gets chewed by LLVM
2021-09-26 19:48:52 +0200 <[exa]> so I guess this is safe?
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2021-09-26 22:23:38 +0200 <unit73e> hello. my pet project of porting of lazyfoo SDL2 is on-going. lesson 21 done: https://gitlab.com/unit73e/lazyfoo-examples
2021-09-26 22:24:09 +0200 <unit73e> unfortunately it seems like haskell SDL2 doesn't support force feedback so I skipped that one, for now
2021-09-26 22:24:26 +0200 <unit73e> I do have a dualshock 4 so I can contribute to that later
2021-09-26 22:25:55 +0200 <shapr> unit73e: neato!
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2021-09-26 23:44:01 +0200 <maerwald> is there an optparse trick to make a distinction between `foo bar baz -- --flag1 --flag2`? Afais, bar, baz and --flag1 --flag2 would have to be of the same parser if bar and baz are
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2021-09-26 23:52:14 +0200 <hpc> wouldn't those just be positional arguments?
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2021-09-26 23:55:14 +0200 <maerwald> bar and baz is some/many
2021-09-26 23:55:22 +0200 <maerwald> so it will expand to the others