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| 2025-07-02 02:41:50 +0200 | Solitary | (~Solitary@user/solitary) Solitary |
| 2025-07-02 03:16:32 +0200 | MobileDevicesAre | (~Devices@74.196.74.205) |
| 2025-07-02 03:18:47 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | Hello! Just introducing myself and intention to (fairly) soon try out XMonad in a SystemD-less environment (no hate there). Maybe Debian or Gentoo, and looking more into s6/s6-rc! Right now, my learning of Haskell has skyrocketed! |
| 2025-07-02 03:21:11 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | Was looking to see how lively the spot is... hoping not /too/ many people went on over to exclusively matrix ;) |
| 2025-07-02 03:22:22 +0200 | <geekosaur> | this channel is bridged |
| 2025-07-02 03:23:09 +0200 | <geekosaur> | but even with that, we're not very active. xmonad is kinda a niche within a niche |
| 2025-07-02 03:23:46 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | ahh nice. Out of curiosity, does anyone simply use Plan9 on a regular basis, versus Linux? Or, other *BSD and/or BSD-like OSes? |
| 2025-07-02 03:24:07 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | definitely niche. I love math; I love research! |
| 2025-07-02 03:26:03 +0200 | <geekosaur> | my main desktop (actually a high end laptop) is Ubuntu but the one I lug around when needed is FreeBSD 14.3-RELEASE |
| 2025-07-02 03:28:17 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | cool! been a while since I used BSD (Free) on anything other than routing (pfSense). I almost forget to check if it has good and working device drivers for the exotic hardware folks through at me as the town nerd / town know-it-all :) |
| 2025-07-02 03:29:22 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | Debian, I have used for years. And, without starting a wars, I truly have found it breaking my configurations too often. And, too often... you know the rest... it's what I already mentioned. |
| 2025-07-02 03:29:31 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | init systems are looking interesting too |
| 2025-07-02 03:35:08 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | Plan9's hardcore "everything is a file" sounded really good as I was care-taking for a family member who has passed... on to the next now. I don't think there's been any flames between the BSDs and Linuxes in a long time. But, I follow cryptography too, and remember SysVinit, pushed by a man Berstein, the cryptography covered in nice lectures by Tanja Lange (sp?), and now it's just interesting to see how far apart we did become from the |
| 2025-07-02 03:35:08 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | "everything is a file" tagline. Nothing more, nothing less. Interesting ;) |
| 2025-07-02 03:35:56 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | daemontools* (SysVinit predates Bernstein) |
| 2025-07-02 03:36:11 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | anyways, here to learn Haskell. not dwell on the past! |
| 2025-07-02 03:36:20 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | thanks for the chat friend! |
| 2025-07-02 03:37:45 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | s6 / skarnet team is looking like the successor to Bernstein. Other competition too: runit, openrc... some things I don't know about: nosh |
| 2025-07-02 03:43:13 +0200 | <geekosaur> | there's been several more. Ubuntu used upstart before switching to systemd |
| 2025-07-02 03:44:07 +0200 | <geekosaur> | that said, I think original Unix showed a number of shortcomings in "everything is a file", and hotplugging turns out to be really difficult to get right in an rc-based system |
| 2025-07-02 03:44:42 +0200 | <geekosaur> | not that I'm fond of systemd; not only do I think it's also a bad approach, but I have severe doubts about the competence of its developers |
| 2025-07-02 03:45:42 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (the lead once slipstreamed a restart-init patch into the linux kernel only to have Linus chew him out "fix your bugs, don't make the kernel mask them for you" |
| 2025-07-02 03:46:26 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | I do indeed remember upstart, but not for long :( I turned directly to "Mother" (Debian) when Gnome (in my mind) went "bonkers". Some could articulate arguments that the whole ecosystem is kind of going bonkers. Which is why I have always wanted to leave options open... Never could think of a single reason (as a desktop user, mind you...) to have something like DBus. I guess it just makes things easy for newcomers. And bug-burdens for |
| 2025-07-02 03:46:27 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | maintainers :( |
| 2025-07-02 03:46:58 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | oh yea, I can see hotplugging issues! |
| 2025-07-02 03:48:05 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | Besides my bare metal workstations and cheap servers, I've only ever tinkered in virtual environments, where such actually didn't matter. But, it was a big deal for a company only 1.5 hours away from me now. A pretty big one, too: the FBI, lol |
| 2025-07-02 03:50:39 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | Knowing the internals well enough, since I played on it since 13 years old or so, I actually despised dbus and its chatter. Hehe. *I* know when I want to mount a drive, and when i plugged it in! Different strokes; different folks. |
| 2025-07-02 03:51:44 +0200 | ft | (~ft@p3e9bc301.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2025-07-02 03:52:05 +0200 | <geekosaur> | you knew it, but a lot of desktop users want their file manager to know it as well |
| 2025-07-02 03:52:17 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | true story! |
| 2025-07-02 03:53:02 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | make it easy for 'em. Hence, my likely soon-ish project, I was going to call "Rack-in-the-Box", hehe. |
| 2025-07-02 03:53:24 +0200 | ft | (~ft@p4fc2a38d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) ft |
| 2025-07-02 03:55:16 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | Oddly, I've found myself being censored, and right after reading about other censorship going on, with "core" internet sites. Would love to just see a "security box", capable of Tor-style resistance, Freenet (they have a new name name) resistance, i2p... |
| 2025-07-02 03:55:22 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | toggles on and off |
| 2025-07-02 03:55:57 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | clusters like Freenet. Then, I wondered how close to that is/was the plan of Plan9, lol? |
| 2025-07-02 03:56:23 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | I think too much, And, sometimes "know" too much (but not really; ignorant about many things). |
| 2025-07-02 03:57:47 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | I couldn't pass the CAPTCHA for signing up for GitHub yesterday. Before I finally did, and logged in, I was banned, lol. |
| 2025-07-02 03:57:58 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | No real known reason. Just a weird world. |
| 2025-07-02 04:04:23 +0200 | <MobileDevicesAre> | I'll call it a night for now. But, I hope to be back for a visit soon! Thanks for your intellect and conversation geekosaur! Good night friend! |
| 2025-07-02 04:04:35 +0200 | <geekosaur> | good night |
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