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2023-10-24 13:24:42 +0200 <xmonadtrack> New branch created: haskell-ci-update (1 commit) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/tree/haskell-ci-update
2023-10-24 13:24:45 +0200 <xmonadtrack> New branch created: pull/476 (1 commit) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/pull/476
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2023-10-24 14:00:01 +0200 <liskin> there will be more…
2023-10-24 14:00:09 +0200 <xmonadtrack> xmonad github-actions[bot] * v0.17.2-93-g8e82094: ci: Regenerate haskell-ci (38 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 7-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/commit/8e820945f44e
2023-10-24 14:00:13 +0200 <xmonadtrack> xmonad Tony Zorman {GitHub} * v0.17.2-94-g1b7dea7: Merge pull request #476 from xmonad/haskell-ci-update (3 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/commit/1b7dea7acc72
2023-10-24 14:00:27 +0200 <liskin> also auto-update of tested-with
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2023-10-24 14:17:36 +0200mekeor(~user@dynamic-089-015-239-127.89.15.239.pool.telefonica.de)
2023-10-24 14:23:35 +0200 <mekeor> hello. when i try to bind C-i to C-i with the following keybinding-code, it works for firefox, but it does not work for neither for emacs nor my gtk-based terminal emulator. this does not happen when i bind M-i to send C-i. that works fine everywhere. any ideas what's going wrong? here's the code: ("C-i", bindFirst [(pure True, sendKey controlMask xK_i)])
2023-10-24 14:26:43 +0200 <mekeor> hm, looks like i was wrong regarding "this does not happen when i bind M-i to send C-i."
2023-10-24 14:28:42 +0200 <mekeor> no, i was right!
2023-10-24 14:29:27 +0200 <mekeor> i'm actually aiming to use xmonad as some kind of replacement for tools like xremap and kmonad.
2023-10-24 14:33:13 +0200chomwitt(~chomwitt@2a02:587:7a1a:8700:1ac0:4dff:fedb:a3f1)
2023-10-24 14:35:35 +0200 <xmonadtrack> New branch created: pull/477 (2 commits) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/pull/477
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2023-10-24 14:40:38 +0200 <xmonadtrack> New xmonad-contrib branch created: haskell-ci-update (2 commits) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/tree/haskell-ci-update
2023-10-24 14:40:45 +0200 <xmonadtrack> New xmonad-contrib branch created: pull/838 (2 commits) https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/838
2023-10-24 14:43:33 +0200derfflinger(~derffling@user/derfflinger)
2023-10-24 14:44:53 +0200 <Solid> I fail to see how you could ever use XMonad as a replacement for KMonad
2023-10-24 14:45:02 +0200 <Solid> but you do you, as long as what you want to achieve works :)
2023-10-24 14:45:41 +0200 <xmonadtrack> X11 Tony Zorman {Tomas Janousek} * 1.10.3-19-g9234161: ci: Test against GHC 9.6.1 (7 months ago, 4 files, 25+ 35-) https://github.com/xmonad/X11/commit/9234161929c8
2023-10-24 14:45:43 +0200 <xmonadtrack> X11-xft Tony Zorman {Tomas Janousek} * v0.3.4-22-g174fb69: ci: Test against GHC 9.6.1 (7 months ago, 4 files, 25+ 35-) https://github.com/xmonad/X11-xft/commit/174fb69968e5
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2023-10-24 14:50:45 +0200 <xmonadtrack> X11 New branch created: haskell-ci-update (2 commits) https://github.com/xmonad/X11/tree/haskell-ci-update
2023-10-24 14:50:53 +0200 <xmonadtrack> X11 New branch created: pull/89 (2 commits) https://github.com/xmonad/X11/pull/89
2023-10-24 14:51:02 +0200 <xmonadtrack> X11-xft New branch created: haskell-ci-update (2 commits) https://github.com/xmonad/X11-xft/tree/haskell-ci-update
2023-10-24 14:51:16 +0200 <xmonadtrack> X11-xft New branch created: pull/6 (2 commits) https://github.com/xmonad/X11-xft/pull/6
2023-10-24 14:57:33 +0200derfflinger_(~derffling@user/derfflinger)
2023-10-24 15:00:19 +0200 <Solid> liskin: Well, you weren't lying when you said there'll be more :)
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2023-10-24 15:20:40 +0200 <liskin> Solid: :-D
2023-10-24 15:24:06 +0200 <liskin> I had this open in a workspace for over 3 months
2023-10-24 15:24:53 +0200 <liskin> Now I only need to finish one or two other workspaces before I can update the kernel (and possibly upgrade the batteries)
2023-10-24 15:38:40 +0200 <Solid> lol
2023-10-24 15:42:18 +0200 <liskin> up 213 days
2023-10-24 15:42:21 +0200 <liskin> fun stuff
2023-10-24 15:48:23 +0200 <Solid> and here I am anxiously thinking about a restart after 3 days :P
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2023-10-24 16:11:42 +0200 <xmonadtrack> X11 Tony Zorman * 1.10.3-20-gd9bb51c: Extras: Use drop 1 instead of tail (2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://github.com/xmonad/X11/commit/d9bb51c468d7
2023-10-24 16:13:03 +0200Guest47(~Guest47@casperdock.inrialpes.fr)
2023-10-24 16:13:17 +0200 <Guest47> Hello there
2023-10-24 16:13:41 +0200 <geekosaur> hello
2023-10-24 16:14:04 +0200 <Guest47> A colleague of mine is working with `xmonad` since long time, and I can see he his **super** efficient exchanging with his machine.
2023-10-24 16:15:10 +0200 <Guest47> I wanted to start using it too, on top of my Ubuntu distro.
2023-10-24 16:15:58 +0200 <Guest47> I was able to easily have an `xmonad` session using xmonad stuff from the Ubuntu repos, but unfortunately, the packaged version is 0.15.
2023-10-24 16:16:32 +0200 <Guest47> I then followed the documentation from the `xmonad` documentation to build my own version from the sources.
2023-10-24 16:16:47 +0200 <Guest47> Everything went fine for compiling.
2023-10-24 16:17:25 +0200 <Guest47> I am now facing my problem : running `xmonad --replace`` to test it, freezes my session.
2023-10-24 16:18:26 +0200 <Guest47> I reached this IRC channel, to ask for help since I don't know at all where to look at in order to understand what's happening and be able to use `xmonad` version 17 on my Ubuntu.
2023-10-24 16:20:16 +0200 <liskin> Solid: why restart after 3 days?
2023-10-24 16:26:48 +0200 <geekosaur> Guest47, what are you trying to replace? for example, GNOME 3 doesn't like to be replaced (too many components that break if they're not all running, so they restart each other)
2023-10-24 16:27:43 +0200 <Guest47> geekosaur I am replacing ubuntu 22_04 graphical session called "ubuntu"
2023-10-24 16:29:51 +0200 <geekosaur> hm, I'm not even sure that's X11
2023-10-24 16:29:58 +0200 <geekosaur> you can't --replace wayland
2023-10-24 16:30:07 +0200 <geekosaur> it is definitely gnome 3
2023-10-24 16:31:43 +0200 <Guest47> Ok, got it I guess. I'll try to logout, use the "ubuntu on Xorg" graphical environment, and replace again. And I'll come back here.
2023-10-24 16:31:48 +0200 <Guest47> Thank you very much.
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2023-10-24 16:36:29 +0200Manu38(~Manu38@casperdock.inrialpes.fr)
2023-10-24 16:36:51 +0200 <Manu38> geekosaur it is better :) `xmonad` is able to start.
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2023-10-24 16:41:43 +0200Manu38(~Manu38@casperdock.inrialpes.fr)
2023-10-24 16:42:55 +0200 <Manu38> geekosaur it is better :) `xmonad` is able to start. But then I have three windows opening saying, "something went wrong" please logout. I guess that the best thing I have to do now, is to set up a new entry in my login screen to start `xmonad` directly without replacing anything.
2023-10-24 16:43:07 +0200 <Manu38> But unfortunately I have not been able to do that up to know, and that's why I came to the `xmonad --replace`. Does anyone here is using Ubuntu and added `xmonad` to the login screen ?
2023-10-24 16:45:07 +0200thyriaen(~thyriaen@2a01:aea0:dd4:7550:6245:cbff:fe9f:48b1)
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2023-10-24 16:48:03 +0200 <geekosaur> wish they'd stick around
2023-10-24 16:48:17 +0200Manu38(~Manu38@casperdock.inrialpes.fr)
2023-10-24 16:49:15 +0200 <Manu38> What I tried up to now, as mentioned in the xmonad installation guide, is to add a `/usr/share/xsessions/default.desktop` and a `.xsession` one.
2023-10-24 16:49:43 +0200 <geekosaur> https://www.maths.cam.ac.uk/computing/linux/X/xsession says there should be a "user script" option, and then put xmonad in ~/.xsession
2023-10-24 16:49:46 +0200 <Manu38> My `.xsession` contains
2023-10-24 16:49:47 +0200 <Manu38> ```
2023-10-24 16:49:47 +0200 <Manu38> #!/usr/bin/env bash
2023-10-24 16:49:48 +0200 <Manu38> exec /home/manu/.cabal/bin/xmonad
2023-10-24 16:49:48 +0200 <Manu38> ```
2023-10-24 16:50:04 +0200 <geekosaur> (I haven't done this in a while, I run xmonad as window manager for MATE)
2023-10-24 16:50:46 +0200 <Manu38> With that, I see a new entry in my login screen, but when I login using that entry, after few second of delay in a black screen, the ubuntu default desktop environment comes back.
2023-10-24 16:50:59 +0200 <geekosaur> check ~/.xsession-errors
2023-10-24 16:51:48 +0200 <geekosaur> (black screen would be expected, by default xmonad is very bare. expect to spend a few months customizing it to your tastes 🙂
2023-10-24 16:53:15 +0200 <geekosaur> the thing about xmonad is that it's no so much a window manager, as it is a window manager construction toolkit. we have a huge contrib archive with components you can hook into it to build your own personal window manager
2023-10-24 16:53:18 +0200 <Manu38> (yep I already experienced that with the 0.15 version I successfully installed before with ubuntu apt. The thing is that the doc I was reading to configure xmonad was mostly for 0.17. Hence my try to update)
2023-10-24 16:54:18 +0200 <geekosaur> not a lot has changed in the core
2023-10-24 16:54:27 +0200 <geekosaur> some bug fixes, mostly
2023-10-24 16:55:14 +0200 <Manu38> So you would recommend using the 0.15 version ?
2023-10-24 16:56:24 +0200 <geekosaur> we generally recommend the current Hackage version or running from git, but the OS package is usually easier to set up
2023-10-24 16:56:52 +0200 <geekosaur> sometimes you can copy the session definition from the OS package and use it with your own install
2023-10-24 16:57:56 +0200 <Manu38> Yes, I'll have a look on that side right now. And come back here to let you know what happened.
2023-10-24 16:58:03 +0200 <Manu38> Thank you very much again.
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2023-10-24 17:02:19 +0200 <xmonadtrack> X11 github-actions[bot] {Tomas Janousek} * 1.10.3-21-g7a74ec2: ci: Bump GHC patch versions in tested-with (2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) https://github.com/xmonad/X11/commit/7a74ec2ea679
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2023-10-24 17:02:23 +0200 <xmonadtrack> X11 github-actions[bot] {Tomas Janousek} * 1.10.3-22-gb70d7d8: ci: Regenerate haskell-ci (2 hours ago, 1 file, 22+ 15-) https://github.com/xmonad/X11/commit/b70d7d828777
2023-10-24 17:02:31 +0200 <xmonadtrack> X11 Tomáš Janoušek {GitHub} * 1.10.3-23-ge3559e1: Merge pull request #89 from xmonad/haskell-ci-update (3 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) https://github.com/xmonad/X11/commit/e3559e1b6435
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2023-10-24 17:27:41 +0200 <xmonadtrack> X11-xft Tomas Janousek * v0.3.4-23-gf2104ac: Xft: Fix GHC 9.8 warnings via NonEmpty.groupBy (8 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) https://github.com/xmonad/X11-xft/commit/f2104ac56b76
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2023-10-24 17:34:44 +0200 <liskin> surely the "Wayland churn" must be more fun than this :-)
2023-10-24 17:35:09 +0200 <thyriaen> wayland churn ?
2023-10-24 17:36:15 +0200 <liskin> 08:27:08 <Solid> I wish Wayland would excite me, then I might even be able to justify spending the necessary time to learn everything
2023-10-24 17:36:17 +0200 <liskin> 08:27:15 <Solid> but it just feels like churn :/
2023-10-24 17:36:20 +0200 <liskin> (a couple days ago)
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2023-10-24 17:38:56 +0200 <Solid> You know, you are probably right :) Maybe I'll try to get the wlroots bindings up to snuff when my new laptop arrives as a celebratory measure
2023-10-24 17:39:37 +0200 <Solid> (r.e. uptime: 3 days is not set in stone, but that's around the time when I usually get self-conscious about not having shut down my computer in a while :)
2023-10-24 17:43:23 +0200 <liskin> I still wonder how bad it'd be to just make/generate completely stupid C-like not-idiomatic-Rust-like wlroots Rust bindings and build on top of that
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2023-10-24 17:44:07 +0200 <liskin> (as opposed to writing the compositor in C/C++, which is what most other WMs ended up doing, despite possibly having started with Rust)
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2023-10-24 17:44:48 +0200 <liskin> if I ever have the time to work on this, seems like that's what _I_ would want to explore first
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2023-10-24 17:55:25 +0200 <Solid> I am reminded of https://way-cooler.org/blog/2019/04/29/rewriting-way-cooler-in-c.html
2023-10-24 17:56:29 +0200 <Solid> There seems to be at least exist a rust-based wayland compositor ( https://github.com/Smithay/smithay ) but I'm not sure how featureful it is
2023-10-24 17:59:58 +0200 <liskin> seemed unmaintained last time I checked
2023-10-24 18:00:15 +0200 <liskin> and yeah that blog post is what I was referring to
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2023-10-24 19:36:48 +0200 <Solid> the smithay repo had a commit 2 hours ago, so it doesn't look super unmaintained :)
2023-10-24 19:52:03 +0200 <liskin> Oh, maybe I should look again
2023-10-24 19:52:38 +0200 <geekosaur> interesting that one's still going; I saw several that had started out in Rust and ditched it
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2023-10-24 20:40:44 +0200 <Solid> wlroots bindings were mostly ditched, but this is really a separate compositor, so I guess you can really design it from a "Rust perspective" from the get-go
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