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2023-05-09 09:26:37 +0200mc47(~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47)
2023-05-09 09:28:47 +0200 <mc47> geekosaur: I check in at least twice a week, but I don't know if I can even approve expenses
2023-05-09 09:29:02 +0200liskin[m](~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768)
2023-05-09 09:29:16 +0200unclechu(~unclechu@2001:470:69fc:105::354)
2023-05-09 09:30:03 +0200 <mc47> I probably asked this before, but: liskin, Solid: I'm deciding whether or not I'll attend zurihac (or maybe try my luck with the GHC workshop), did you guys decide?
2023-05-09 09:47:47 +0200cfricke(~cfricke@user/cfricke)
2023-05-09 10:03:56 +0200 <Solid> mc47: I already booked tickets, so yes :)
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2023-05-09 10:55:11 +0200 <liskin> mc47: I still haven't decided :-(
2023-05-09 10:56:26 +0200 <liskin> been flying around a lot lately so somewhat likely to skip it :-/
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2023-05-09 11:11:43 +0200 <geekosaur> mc47, I made both you and Solid admins on OC
2023-05-09 11:11:55 +0200liskin[m](~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768)
2023-05-09 11:12:09 +0200unclechu(~unclechu@2001:470:69fc:105::354)
2023-05-09 11:12:11 +0200 <geekosaur> liskin and I discussed that a few days ago
2023-05-09 11:16:54 +0200 <mc47> I saw that, but I didn't receive any email
2023-05-09 11:16:57 +0200 <mc47> let me check again quickly
2023-05-09 11:17:37 +0200 <geekosaur> I don't know if it sends email, although IMO it should
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2023-05-09 12:39:09 +0200 <mc47> I can see I'm an admin now
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2023-05-09 13:17:55 +0200 <liskin> you may need to set up 2FA to approve expenses, I vaguely remember toggling something like that somewhere
2023-05-09 13:18:09 +0200 <liskin> (wouldn't be at all surprised if untoggling it didn't require 2FA though… :-))
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2023-05-09 15:24:38 +0200hightower2(~hightower@34-89.dsl.iskon.hr)
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2023-05-09 17:52:04 +0200mc47(~mc47@xmonad/TheMC47)
2023-05-09 17:53:19 +0200 <mc47> Is there a reason boring windows are implemented as a layou?
2023-05-09 17:53:29 +0200 <mc47> I find that not intuitive
2023-05-09 17:53:51 +0200 <geekosaur> because they're old and there are better ways now?
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2023-05-09 18:13:38 +0200 <mc47> fair
2023-05-09 18:13:53 +0200liskin[m](~liskinmat@2001:470:69fc:105::768)
2023-05-09 18:14:08 +0200unclechu(~unclechu@2001:470:69fc:105::354)
2023-05-09 18:14:53 +0200 <geekosaur> same goes for the layout-based workspace show-er
2023-05-09 18:15:27 +0200 <geekosaur> which IIRC Solid reimplemented
2023-05-09 18:15:41 +0200 <geekosaur> (ShowWName)
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2023-05-09 18:30:33 +0200 <geekosaur> more precisely, it needed to store state on the currently boring windows, and back then the only way to retain it was inside a layout constructor
2023-05-09 18:30:38 +0200 <geekosaur> these days we have XS
2023-05-09 18:44:21 +0200 <mc47> makes sense, thanks for the implementation
2023-05-09 18:44:29 +0200 <mc47> s/implementation/explanation/
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2023-05-09 20:09:00 +0200catern88catern_
2023-05-09 20:09:55 +0200 <catern_> is there a good way to detect if I'm running under xmonad? it doesn't set _NET_SUPPORTING_WM_CHECK by default which is somewhat sad
2023-05-09 20:11:23 +0200 <geekosaur> not if you aren't using EwmhDesktops
2023-05-09 20:11:34 +0200 <catern_> (I'm trying to fix an Emacs bug https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=62164 which makes an emacs feature behave poorly under tiling window managers, but one of the maintainers doesn't want my fix on at all times because he thinks some WMs will behave badly if my fix is present, so I'm thinking I can detect xmonad somehow and turn it on
2023-05-09 20:11:34 +0200 <catern_> then)
2023-05-09 20:11:48 +0200 <catern_> (and also detect other tiling wms of course)
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2023-05-09 21:04:20 +0200 <Solid> Po Lu seems open to making this configurable, just not the default (this seems to be a thing with Emacs)
2023-05-09 21:06:32 +0200 <Solid> I do question the choice of heeding to broken window managers, but I guess it may be better to err on the side of caution sometimes
2023-05-09 21:08:09 +0200 <geekosaur> some would claim we're broken because we're not EWMH out of the box
2023-05-09 21:11:57 +0200 <geekosaur> besides which, some would argue emacs is broken because it doesn't play well with window managers in general
2023-05-09 21:13:13 +0200 <geekosaur> hm, actually I wonder if you can get away with borrowing the Java hack
2023-05-09 21:15:16 +0200 <geekosaur> check the environment for _JAVA_AWT_WM_NONREPARENTING=1
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